Why sell old tech when you can sell new tech?
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So people didn't like the SD card slot or the 3.5mm headphone jack? I know where you are coming from but do realise that Apple is such a polarizing company.
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Apple Discontinues iPhone SE, iPhone 6s and iPhone X
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Because, if you want to make a low cost device, you need to use lower cost components. Low cost components are by their very nature not cutting edge or even new tech. Do you think the cheap Android phones on the market are using the latest and greatest tech? They may be brand new phones, but they're using tech from years ago.
Sure, Apple could make a new low cost phone and call it the iPhone whatever, but it would probably be equipped with an A10 or A11 chip, not as advanced of a camera, a lesser quality LCD screen, etc. Basically, an iPhone 7 or 8.
They weren't when I first started to love Apple.
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I agree to a point, but the component cost difference of an iPhone of the different models is on balance probably not that great compared to the purchase price. Most of the cost comes from marketing, research and developement and salaries.
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When was that?
I've been using Apple products since I was probably 3 or 4 years old, my dad had an Apple IIc. I got my first Mac in 1991 - the Mac Performa 638. I loved that computer, but all of its components were proprietary - even the keyboard and mouse - a controversial and annoying decision for many.
Apple has ALWAYS, since day 1, been a polarizing company. They always did things their way vs. the way of the industry. Instead of using DOS, Apple came up with AppleDOS, which wasn't compatible with DOS. Instead of using the FAT16 or FAT32 file systems, they came up with their own HFS and HFS+ file systems. And I could go on, and on.
You complain that people look at Apple through rose colored glasses, but you are doing the exact same thing just with Apple from the past.
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I don't like the decision to eliminate the SD card slot or the 3.5mm headphone jack. But it is really no different than when Apple eliminated the floppy drive. At least now, there are bluetooth headphones (and honestly, the AirPods are the all around best headphones I've ever owned) and most cameras have wireless capability at this point.
In a few years, I honestly doubt most people will miss the headphone jack as bluetooth headphones will be completely ubiquitous. The exact same thing happened with the floppy drive.
Actually, even though I don't want an SE sized phone if someone wants a iPhone 6/7/8 sized phone, they are out of luck this year if they want a 2018 release iPhone unless they are paying top dollar
The heights (mm) price in $AUD:
138 iPhone 8
144 ($1629) XS
151 ($1229) XR
158 ($1799) XS MAX
I have held off upgrading my iPhone 6 during my normal 2 year upgrade cycle because of the lack of headphone jack. I'm not paying $1629 for a new phone and I keep my phone in my pocket so don't want the 8+ sized XR, so not sure what to do now...
I hope that when people are forced to buy larger phones to get the latest camera, that its not a self fulfilling prophecy.
I picked up a backup SE today so I'm good to go for a few years. I'll sit in the box till my current one burns out.
Hopefully by the time I run through them there will be a manufacturer that makes one-handed smartphones again.
I think Apple is still staying true to its legacy in laptops and desktops. But in the phone space, they've totally abandoned ergonomics.
Hopefully by the time I run through them there will be a manufacturer that makes one-handed smartphones again.
I think Apple is still staying true to its legacy in laptops and desktops. But in the phone space, they've totally abandoned ergonomics.
Yup I renewed my SE a short while ago, just in case. It's now nestling safely in an Otterbox Defender, that should keep me going for a couple of years. RIP SE, a tragic loss to common sense. 
Yup I renewed my SE a short while ago, just in case. It's now nestling safely in an Otterbox Defender, that should keep me going for a couple of years. RIP SE, a tragic loss to common sense.
Common sense says you should look to the Apple Watch for a small device. I plan on getting the 4th Gen, 42mm cellular. Just an inexpensive $499 version then playing with my own bands.
There are old customers from the Steve Jobs era and new customers. And some of those original customers were Steve Jobs fans to the max.That Tim Cook is not Steve Jobs is reason enough to dislike apple, or so it seems.
Apple is polarizing, but so is Samsung and it has to do with the personal nature of the products. Car companies are polarizing in the same way. Ever read some of the vitriol that occurs on car forums.
I am going to disagree with your comments about Apple customers, fans and rose colored glasses. I like Apple products, yet I wish for some improvements, lower price. That makes me a fan, but overall the products are better to me, than they are worse. And at least in my opinion, that is the way Apple gets repeat customers. It has nothing to do with "blind allegiance", which unless it's sports, I have never seen in discussing an electronic device.
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What you are saying, is that when people shop for products, they evaluate the product, put their value system to use, look at the pluses and minuses and if subjectively, there are more positives, might get the product. I don't have a consumer grade product in my house that I don't have at least one criticism for. And the more expensive the product, seemingly the bigger the criticism, but also the bigger the positives.
So you make a decision, but if the net of everything is negative, I would pass on the product. But if you come to MacRumors and only discuss the negative, it at least makes me wonder, why you bought an iphone to begin with.
I still think Apple does have an iPhone SE replacement in the pipeline--a model that will be assembled in India, the primary market for such a phone. Think of it as a reduced-size iPhone XR.
I don't think so. They are not having much success, if any, in India. The iPhone SE even when assembled in India is still priced too high for that market.
Negative attention like that, especially from a big source like that, will spark things up, for sure. It may be a case by case scenario but I am a guy and I have small hands. I’d say the average size of a female sized hand. Granted, I like the X and won’t ever get anything else, using one handed isn’t the easiest 100% of the time. I try to text one handed and prone to dropping it when I try to reach for something on the opposite side of the screen. Does it stop me from using it or switching to the iPhone SE as my primary, hell no, but others feel differently than I do, of course. I do have the iPhone SE as my secondary and I do love that as well. Using it with one hand is so easy and enjoyable to text and what not. A phone 0.1 in bigger than the X, wouldn’t be able to do as the X pushes the limit. The 6.1.... eff no. 6.5... HAHAHA! Right...
A friend of mine, female, did end up dropping her iPhone 7 and breaking it trying to one hand text though. Guess what she did after that.... went to the iPhone SE. Lol.
Couldn’t agree more. The new choice in names for the models are awful, IMO. They should have moved onto XI... the “X” should’ve been kept as an anniversary edition. The XS Max sounds too much like a ZTE... and I have certain opinions about that company.
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Thanks LSE works fine on iOS12, might even work on iOS 13, it likely will
That is good to know. Now I can keep my seYes it is a large device. It's larger dimensions than the 4.7" phones from 2013. That have been tested to be the limit after which it becomes a two handed device. For a lot of things that even happens for device larger than 4" (with 2013's bezels).
Have a read: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...-android-phone-you-can-buy-isnt-small-at-all/
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Next year it will be $100 cheaper
(and the next year another $100)That’s pretty much exactly what Ford did. If it makes monetary sense for a company, they will likely do so.
Yes it is a large device. It's larger dimensions than the 4.7" phones from 2013. That have been tested to be the limit after which it becomes a two handed device. For a lot of things that even happens for device larger than 4" (with 2013's bezels).
Have a read: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...-android-phone-you-can-buy-isnt-small-at-all/
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Next year it will be $100 cheaper
True, of course my 7+ is starting to act ridiculous now, but at least it was 21 months rather than 11 or 12. I have to wait until XR stock and my real life normalize before I consider trading this in though.
RIP iPhone 6s (2015-2018)
RIP iPhone SE (2016-2018)
RIP iPhone X (2017-2018)
RIP Anthony Bourdain and Burt Reynolds
The X is the shortest-lived iPhone ever.
The SE will always be my favorite iPhone ever. Perhaps the last true great iPhone from Steve Jobs' vision. The rest have been polarizing and divisive for iPhone users starting with the removal of the headphone jack with the 7.
Apple finally got rid of "Sixcess" and SEX in their lineup.
RIP iPhone SE (2016-2018)
RIP iPhone X (2017-2018)
RIP Anthony Bourdain and Burt Reynolds
The X is the shortest-lived iPhone ever.
The SE will always be my favorite iPhone ever. Perhaps the last true great iPhone from Steve Jobs' vision. The rest have been polarizing and divisive for iPhone users starting with the removal of the headphone jack with the 7.
Apple finally got rid of "Sixcess" and SEX in their lineup.
In disagree, about what was polarizing for Apple users. The record breaking quarter when the iPhone 6 was introduced showed the silent majority who doesn’t “complain” on online forums were the ones waiting for a bigger phone. These “polarized” users did not complain but wanted a bigger firm factor.
The market seems to bear, for the most part, bigger form factors are what people want. There are users who want an SE form factor and maybe Apple has a surprise up its’ corporate sleeve.
The removal of the headphone jack, which was loudly derided in online forums, did not seem to make a difference to sales and in fact, Android is now copying.
The x was probably a transitional phone and Apple has plans to obsolete it after the first year.
The SE will be missed the most as time goes on and more because of its size and design than its affordable price.
The iPhone 5 and 10 got scrapped quickly. Seems to me the X was a rush job to celebrate the iPhone's decade anniversary but catered to guinea pigs.
Think iPhone 4, 5, and 6 with their gate-issues. X didn't have one except for ridiculously high price and controversial Face ID that's now slow compared to these newer ones.
That's Apple for ya. People get fooled by new designs so easily that their arithmetic is turned off. Always rock with the tock.
The iPhone 5 and 10 got scrapped quickly. Seems to me the X was a rush job to celebrate the iPhone's decade anniversary but catered to guinea pigs.
Think iPhone 4, 5, and 6 with their gate-issues. X didn't have one except for ridiculously high price and controversial Face ID that's now slow compared to these newer ones.
That's Apple for ya. People get fooled by new designs so easily that their arithmetic is turned off. Always rock with the tock.
Yep. Touch ID on the 5s was ridiculously slow compared to the 6s. The "s" models are always the best, but you have to wait a year for new features/functions. The 5s caught the competition by surprise and the 6s blew away the 6 by comparison.
The xs is to the x as the 6s is to the 6.
Yep, apple counts on people getting fooled. People are so gullible.
The xs is to the x as the 6s is to the 6.
Yep, apple counts on people getting fooled. People are so gullible.