iPhone Apple DOES Slow Down Older iPhones [MERGED]

[stulaw11]

How do you explain the video above?

How do THIRD PARTY APP loading time mean anything? Most ridiculous crap on Youtube seen over and over as "tests" of anything. Those app opening tests are anecdotal at best.

Further there is NO POSSIBLE way that someone can touch both screens with both hands in the same millisecond. It's a flawed "test" from the start by physics.

And like no ****, the new phone loads apps faster? Woah you dont say really? The SE has a A9 and iphone 5S A7. The SE also has DOUBLE the RAM (2gb vs 1gb). The REAL test would have been the same phone with different iOS versions not different spec phones; that video proved zilch and makes no logical sense.

And for the 100th time, more complex OS version with more running in the background taxing the RAM and processor on lower grade hardware. No wonder it feels slower on older devices versus and older OS version that was lighter on features.

Ie. go get a cheap Android device like an original 1st gen Kindle Fire with a bit older specs from 2012-2013 and then run much more basic Android 4.0-4.3 from back in the day the device was built for, and then brand new 8.0 ROM with complex animations/processes and see how that device slows down. It's a perfectly logical result older hardware cannot run the newer OSes to the same level of smoothness etc as the older versions.

Really grasping at straws here. And where exactly was the "deliberate" proof clickbait.

 

[Bawstun]

It’s probably all of the new blurs and transparency across iOS 11. Not planned obsolescence exactly, but it’s known older devices wouldn’t handle that well. Right now I have reduce motion and transparency reduced turned to ON. Seeing what it does for battery, lol.

 

[crashfellow]

I think there clearly a 'slowness' which shows up on some devices after updating. which makes you wonder 'well they haven't changed iOS that much, why is it slow now' and your first assumption is building in obsolecence to force upgrades, and others believe 'well each update makes it slow down due to new features'. For me i think it falls in the middle.

I think apple probably doesn't overly optimise it's code for it's older phones. Which is why it feels slower. I recall an update a few years ago (i think iOS 8 from memory?) where they released an update which sped up iOS on older devices.

In apple's defence, there's not much point aiming resources as an existing customer, as they've already paid, when it comes to software updates. They additionally support iOS version upgrades well beyond Android's timeline.

 

[Radon87000]

How do two anecdotal phones prove or really show anything that applies to anything aside from those two particular phones?

Because there are reports of lags and suffers all over the web on iOS 11. We have reputed channels like EveythingApplePro and Nick Ackerman even commenting on the same in videos.

 

[C DM]

Because there are reports of lags and suffers all over the web on iOS 11. We have reputed channels like EveythingApplePro and Nick Ackerman even commenting on the same in videos.

And how does that prove what is being claimed by the thread title, especially when even some with iPhone 8 are seeing similar things?

 

[JohnnyW2K1]

Ha. This is incredible to me. There's absolute evidence that Apple slows down phones in that video, and even when it's staring people in the face they insist it's not true -- based on what? Their own gut feelings?

Are people genuinely so brainwashed?

Let's do a thought experiment: Let's say the video is absolute correct in what it shows. The phones are identical, as it states, and the timings of the button presses are exact. If it's all true... THEN how do you explain it?
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How do THIRD PARTY APP loading time mean anything? Most ridiculous crap on Youtube seen over and over as "tests" of anything.

It only uses first part apps to show comparison loading times.

And like no ****, the new phone loads apps faster? Woah you dont say really? The SE has a A9 and iphone 5S A7. The SE also has DOUBLE the RAM (2gb vs 1gb). The REAL test would have been the same phone with different iOS versions not different spec phones; that video proved zilch and makes no logical sense.

What are you talking about...?

And for the 100th time, more complex OS version with more running in the background taxing the RAM and processor on lower grade hardware. No wonder it feels slower on older devices versus and older OS version that was lighter on features.

Ha. I'm just realising that you didn't actually watch the video, did you?

 

[ignaciobarrena]

I can’t believe people are still paranoid about this supposedly planned obsolence from Apple.

New software on a 2+ year old phone is not going to run the same as the new phone, is pretty simple. OS get complex and more resource demanding, new features, animations, apps are much heavier. Still, the A8X and A9 SoC handle iOS 11 very very well, and I’m sure that by iOS 11.3 they will run the same as 10.3


Get over with it, in the tech world you can’t expect your 3 years old phone to be as fast as the new iPhone 8, thats delusional, stop the obsolescense bull ****.

Also iOS 11 as NEW OS. Devs need to optimize and update their apps, they have been updating and optimazing for iOS 10 for a year, give iOS 11 some time.

I don’t know if you guys remember iOS 10 at the beginning, it also worked pretty bad compared to 10.3.3

 

[adham7897]

Most of you still don't get it..
I'm not complaining that iOS 11 is running slower, as that would be logical.
BUT, the betas prove old iPhones can still handle iOS 11, you'd expect the final version's performance to be better, or at least the same.
SO, before you say the iPhone 6 can't run iOS 11 like it runs 10, explain to me how the 11 betas ran so good.
No features that didn't exist in the last beta was added in the GM, so performance shouldn't be worse at all.
Which means Apple should just release the latest beta's build to all "older iPhones", and you'll see users will be happy.
But they obviously won't do that to make iPhones slower..
Now you get it?!

 

[JohnnyW2K1]

I can’t believe people are still paranoid about this supposedly planned obsolence from Apple.

Then explain the video to me (and watch the whole thing, please).

 

[ignaciobarrena]

Then explain the video to me (and watch the whole thing, please).

A7 vs A9 chip. 2years of SoC makes A LOT of difference. Twice the RAM on the SE. The OS is probably more optimized on the newer phones.

Is it that hard to understand?

The 5s is a 4 year old phone and si still supported and it runs the latest iOS, what else do you want?

 

[ed.]

it's actually simple: if you are convinced (like you seem to be) that Apple is so despicable as to willingly slow down hardware through software they surely don't deserve your money.
It's healthy not to support companies that engage in horrible behavior.

 

[ignaciobarrena]

Most of you still don't get it..
I'm not complaining that iOS 11 is running slower, as that would be logical.
BUT, the betas prove old iPhones can still handle iOS 11, you'd expect the final version's performance to be better, or at least the same.
SO, before you say the iPhone 6 can't run iOS 11 like it runs 10, explain to me how the 11 betas ran so good.
No features that didn't exist in the last beta was added in the GM, so performance shouldn't be worse at all.
Which means Apple should just release the latest beta's build to all "older iPhones", and you'll see users will be happy.
But they obviously won't do that to make iPhones slower..
Now you get it?!

It's iOS 11.0

Wait till 11.3 and if it's still performing bad you'll have a point. It's the first official release of iOS 11, as I said before iOS 10.0 was wayyyy less smoother than 10.3

 

[decafjava]

All I can say is ios 11 is a lot faster and smoother on my iPhone 7 plus than ios 10.33 - the latter versions of ios 10 after the introduction of APFS were problematic for me. So I don't agree at all.

 

[Radon87000]

And how does that prove what is being claimed by the thread title, especially when even some with iPhone 8 are seeing similar things?

It proves Apple wants everyone to buy iPhone X and planned obsolescence is not a myth

 

[decafjava]

It proves Apple wants everyone to buy iPhone X and planned obsolescence is not a myth

Except my 8 month old 7 plus is running like a new phone and I have no interest in an iPhone 8 (with a breakable glass back) or the X with no home button.

 

[Radon87000]

Except my 8 month old 7 plus is running like a new phone and I have no interest in an iPhone 8 (with a breakable glass back) or the X with no home button.

My 7 Plus has been plagued by stutters and below average battery life.

 

[4ppleg1rl]

I haven't had any issues with iOS 11 so far, apart from a few glitches in the App Store? My sister has the iPhone 6 and her phone works pretty much the same as it did back when I bought it!

 

[JohnnyW2K1]

A7 vs A9 chip. 2years of SoC makes A LOT of difference. Twice the RAM on the SE. The OS is probably more optimized on the newer phones.

Is it that hard to understand?

The 5s is a 4 year old phone and si still supported and it runs the latest iOS, what else do you want?

Sounds like you didn't actually watch the whole video, or indeed even pay attention to what was said

For a start, this video was made in 2016, after the release of the SE. The animation glitch it uses was fixed in iOS 9.3.2, for example. Come to think of it, I guess you REALLY weren't paying attention! Well done.

 

[simonmet]

I have the 7 Plus and the animations are too slow. Why did they slow them down? There’s no reason to.

As for the SE vs 5s, Apple has either not coded the animation properly or deliberately introduced lag. Different problems but the outcome is the same.

Where there’s smoke there’s at least something burning if you ask me.

 

[JohnnyW2K1]

I have the 7 Plus and the animations are too slow. Why did they slow them down? There’s no reason to.

As for the SE vs 5s, Apple has either not coded the animation properly or deliberately introduced lag. Different problems but the outcome is the same.

Where there’s smoke there’s at least something burning if you ask me.

I'm glad somebody at least understood what the video said. The thing is: There's no reason for a simple animation, which has been around since iOS 7, to suddenly get slower on an older device. It's extremely difficult to believe they would have made an error that introduced a slow down. At least for me.

I personally suspect that it's a deliberate delay in a similar vein to BitCoin block chains: They ask it to solve a complex algorithm before executing the animation. A fast processor will have no issue with it. An older one will lag as it struggles to complete it. And I bet the older the device is, the longer it takes.

I mean we're talking about a simple animation that a *website* could manage to do smoothly. A native app would have no issue with it at all, never mind a core feature of the OS that has direct access to the CPU and GPU.

 

[decafjava]

I have the 7 Plus and the animations are too slow. Why did they slow them down? There’s no reason to.

As for the SE vs 5s, Apple has either not coded the animation properly or deliberately introduced lag. Different problems but the outcome is the same.

Where there’s smoke there’s at least something burning if you ask me.

My animations (also 7 plus) have speeded up since upgrading - there has to be another issue.

 

[JohnnyW2K1]

My animations (also 7 plus) have speeded up since upgrading - there has to be another issue.

I'm not seeing the same slow down in animations on my SE with iOS 11, either. Thankfully! Although it's definitely jerky.

But the SE is still "current generation", so maybe that's it. I definitely saw slow downs on my 4S and 5S previously.

 

[Natya Sadella]

Lol dudes. If we speak about some games that have big specs to run properly, okay.

But were talking about animations. Theres absolutely no reason why a simple animation should lag besides of planned obsolence and/or ****-coding.

Even a iphone 4 would have the power to display ios 11 animations properly. You dont need a neural engine bionic superultra3000 a11 sixcore cpu to show simple animations in fluid 60fps.

And remember, a really fluid os was the reason why apple was ahead of everything else some years ago. it was superfluid till ios 6.

And Im 100% sure that you can add tons of features to a new os without making it slower in visuals. Especially if you have the financial like apple does, they could hire the best developers in the world to make this operating system great again.

 

[akash.nu]

Lol dudes. If we speak about some games that have big specs to run properly, okay.

But were talking about animations. Theres absolutely no reason why a simple animation should lag besides of planned obsolence and/or ****-coding.

Even a iphone 4 would have the power to display ios 11 animations properly. You dont need a neural engine bionic superultra3000 a11 sixcore cpu to show simple animations in fluid 60fps.

And remember, a really fluid os was the reason why apple was ahead of everything else some years ago. it was superfluid till ios 6.

And Im 100% sure that you can add tons of features to a new os without making it slower in visuals. Especially if you have the financial like apple does, they could hire the best developers in the world to make this operating system great again.

Animation is particularly tricky when it comes to optimising because there’s very little one can do to make it feel the same across the board. A series of images need to be shown to complete the whole animation and naturally older processors can’t push as many frames as the newer processors. This is why most apps have stopped having loading animations because the load time just dragged on older devices.

Note - from personal experience being in the industry for a very long time. No scientific evidence is available to me right now other than having dealt with it myself on the platform.

 

[JohnnyW2K1]

Animation is particularly tricky when it comes to optimising because there’s very little one can do to make it feel the same across the board. A series of images need to be shown to complete the whole animation and naturally older processors can’t push as many frames as the newer processors. This is why most apps have stopped having loading animations because the load time just dragged on older devices.

Note - from personal experience being in the industry for a very long time. No scientific evidence is available to me right now other than having dealt with it myself on the platform.

I'm really not sure what your point is. This is Apple's hardware and software. It's easier for them than it is for other OS's. (Also we're not talking about a "series of images". Why would you say that?)

What are you using to write your apps, may I ask?