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It certainly does, every camera does.

Nope. Again, mine doesn't. As paints and brushes don't make murals on buildings for Banksy.

Since yours does, where are your photos that your camera made? As you insist on being so pedantic about this, I imagine you have none to show. And that speaks volumes.
 
Nope. Again, mine doesn't. As paints and brushes don't make murals on buildings for Banksy.
If you don't have a photo without your camera, the camera makes the photo. Painters physically apply paint to the canvas, you aren't personally reading the sensor and converting that data into a photo file, your camera is.
 
If you don't have a photo without your camera, the camera makes the photo. Painters physically apply paint to the canvas, you aren't personally reading the sensor and converting that data into a photo file, your camera is.

Yeah, and if a chef doesn't make a dinner without pots and pans, then pots and pans make the dinner.

My camera requires me making a dozen or two important decisions in order to end up with a compelling photo that's worthy of framing. My vision, my experience, my skill, etc results in me making compelling photographs.

I'm happy that your camera makes your photos all on its own. I'm sure they're powerful. Should be very easy to post a few. Post a couple.
 
My zoom on the 15 PM goes to 25x. Must not be the optical zoom. But still takes great close up pics even in almost total darkness.
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Yeah, and if a chef doesn't make a dinner without pots and pans, then pots and pans make the dinner.
The first combination of ingredients is akin to pressing the shutter release. The chef is involved after that; you aren't involved after pressing the shutter release because your camera is making the photo.
 
The first combination of ingredients is akin to pressing the shutter release. The chef is involved after that; you aren't involved after pressing the shutter release because your camera is making the photo.

Nope. It makes absolutely no difference. I command the camera based upon my dozen or two considerations, objectives, vision, assessing light, environmental context, composition, etc. My camera, a mere tool, simply records the scene in 1/125 of a second. A day or so later I then spend a lot of time post-processing/editing the image along with others, based on more assessments and objectives. A great deal of time is spent. It's also that way with my photographer friends, who by the way would have a great laugh at your characterization of photography, and the role of the photographer and cameras.

I'm happy you have a camera that makes photos for you. Click the shutter and voila, you have a snapshot made by your camera. Easy. All made by your camera. Post a few - I'd love to see them. I suspect you have none. And are not really a photographer.
 
My zoom on the 15 PM goes to 25x. Must not be the optical zoom. But still takes great close up pics even in almost total darkness.
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was this at total darkness? can you try another in average lights? not bad
 
Nope. It makes absolutely no difference. I command the camera based upon my dozen or two considerations, objectives, vision, assessing light, environmental context, composition, etc. My camera, a mere tool, simply records the scene in 1/125 of a second. A day or so later I then spend a lot of time post-processing/editing the image along with others, based on more assessments and objectives. A great deal of time is spent. It's also that way with my photographer friends, who by the way would have a great laugh at your characterization of photography, and the role of the photographer and cameras.

I'm happy you have a camera that makes photos for you. Click the shutter and voila, you have a snapshot made by your camera. Easy. All made by your camera. Post a few - I'd love to see them. I suspect you have none. And are not really a photographer.
A painter commands the painting after the first brush stroke; the painter makes the painting. A chef commands the meal after they combine the first ingredients; the chef makes the meal. You don't command the camera after you press the shutter release; the camera makes the photo.
 
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A painter commands the painting after the first brush stroke; the painter makes the painting. A chef commands the meal after they combine the first ingredients; the chef makes the meal. You don't command the camera after you press the shutter release; the camera makes the photo.

I get where you're coming from. I suspect your photography is about making quick snaps, perhaps with an iPhone, and believe that making a compelling photograph begins and ends when you press the button to make a snap - and that your camera does all the work producing that snapshot. And that's fine.

But... most serious photographers who take their craft seriously would strongly disagree. Recongnizeing the time put in before and after the shutter is released, including the great amount of time put into post-processing or in the darkroom to make a negative or image file into a strong photograph that speaks to and moves viewers. That's what you're ignoring.

If you want to, I suggest studying, and reading about, the work of Richard Avedon, Annie Leibovitz, Helmut Newton, William Eggleston,Robert Frank, Sally Mann, Dianne Arbus, Platon, Manuel Alvarez Bravo, Arnold Newman, Dorothea Lange, Ansel Adams, Sebastiao Salgado, Henri Cartier Bresson, Robert Maplethorp, Yasumasa Morimoto, Andre Kertez, Gregory Crewdson, and on and on and on.

Not a single one of those photographers, or anyone one else producing strong photographs would say their camera made their photographs. Perhaps you're a technician or engineer and have never take your photography beyond making snapshots, and instead rely on pedantic notions of what makes a great image - a camera, which of course is merely a tool.

Take the time to learn from the above artists and experts. There's a lot more to photography than simply making snapshots by pressing a button.
 
I get where you're coming from. I suspect your photography is about making quick snaps, perhaps with an iPhone, and believe that making a compelling photograph begins and ends when you press the button to make a snap - and that your camera does all the work producing that snapshot. And that's fine.
You suspect many things which aren’t necessarily true.
But... most serious photographers who take their craft seriously would strongly disagree. Recongnizeing the time put in before and after the shutter is released, including the great amount of time put into post-processing or in the darkroom to make a negative or image file into a strong photograph that speaks to and moves viewers. That's what you're ignoring.
Envisioning and planning is what you do before the camera makes the photo; poster processing is what you do after your camera has made the photo.
If you want to, I suggest studying, and reading about, the work of Richard Avedon, Annie Leibovitz, Helmut Newton, William Eggleston,Robert Frank, Sally Mann, Dianne Arbus, Platon, Manuel Alvarez Bravo, Arnold Newman, Dorothea Lange, Ansel Adams, Sebastiao Salgado, Henri Cartier Bresson, Robert Maplethorp, Yasumasa Morimoto, Andre Kertez, Gregory Crewdson, and on and on and on.
Gee, are they ALL photographers?
 
You suspect many things which aren’t necessarily true.

Envisioning and planning is what you do before the camera makes the photo; poster processing is what you do after your camera has made the photo.

Gee, are they ALL photographers?

Yes, they are all photographers (and a tiny sampling), with photographs hanging in museums worldwide, and with published books you could learn a lot from. If you're curious. Not a single one would claim their cameras make their photos.
 
Yes, they are all photographers (and a tiny sampling), with photographs hanging in museums worldwide, and with published books you could learn a lot from. If you're curious. Not a single one would claim their cameras make their photos.
They wouldn’t have a photo their camera didn't make it.
 
They wouldn’t have a photo their camera didn't make it.

And that's a pedantic response. Feel free to convince the above (still alive) well-known photographers that they didn't make their photos - and it was just their cameras. They'd just laugh at you.
 
They are smart enough to know that without a camera there is no photo.

Ask them (those who are still alive) the question: Who or what made your photos?

Go for it. And then argue with them that their camera made their photos. That should be very entertaining. Let us know how it works out.
 
Ask them (those who are still alive) the question: Who or what made your photos?

Go for it. And then argue with them that their camera made their photos. That should be very entertaining. Let us know how it works out.
AL already said that photographers take photos. But I’m sure you can find photographers who say they make the photo. But none of them would say that the camera doesn’t make the photo itself because without the camera there is no photo.
 

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She already said that photographers take photos.

Nothing wrong with that - a lot of photographers say that to connect with people who know nothing about photography and are not photographers. And "taking pictures" is something the general public can relate to and know what it means.

I often use that phrase when talking to people who are not photographers, or people I want to make an impromptu portrait of. Among photographers I use the word "make." Which they understand.

Ask her if her camera makes her photographs. A much better question.
 
Nothing wrong with that - a lot of photographers say that to connect with people who know nothing about photography and are not photographers. And "taking pictures" is something the general public can relate to and know what it means.
Ask her if her camera makes her photographs. A much better question.
Without the camera making a photo she has no photos
 
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Without the camera making a photo she has no photos

And without my tools or wood in my woodshop, or having no experience, I'd have no furniture. But that's being pedantic. And thus something I would never say. That's something a technician/engineer with glasses white-taped together would say.
 
And without my tools or wood in my woodshop, or having no experience, I'd have no furniture. But that's being pedantic. And thus something I would never say. That's something a technician/engineer with glasses white-taped together would say.
Just like your other examples, making the furniture is akin to what happens after pressing the shutter release. Are you involved in making the photo in the camera?
 
Just like your other examples, making the furniture is akin to what happens after pressing the shutter release. Are you involved in making the photo in the camera?

My camera is just a tool (like my tablesaw or block planes). I'm very involved in making my photographs before shutter release, and then later in post-processing. I then have an image file worthy of printing a photograph, and then framing (I make my own frames from raw wood), and hanging.

I guess I could take your view and say it's my printer that makes my photographs because before a tangible photographic print is made and held in my hands, it's just a bunch of unrefined ones and zeros being spit out from my camera that I refine in post-processing, and then send to my printer.

But I stopped being pedantic when I was in high school years ago.
 
However, you build your furniture with those tools and raw materials, you don’t build the photo with the sensor, processor, etc. You take the photo, your camera makes the photo.

Nope. I definitely do build my photos in post before printing. I *never* just print what comes out of my camera.

Again, you're being intentionally pedantic. That's the domain of grade school. And with that I have no interest in teaching you about how photographs are made.
 
Nope. I definitely do build my photos in post before printing. I *never* just print what comes out of my camera.
You post process the photos which you took and your camera made.
Again, you're being intentionally pedantic.
Sometimes you have to be pedantic, other wise people think they are building photos in the camera.
That's the domain of grade school. And with that I have no interest in teaching you about how photographs are made.
Oh how will I ever learn about photography then.
 
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