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Apple - False Advertising rant
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No - someone who had a different opinion would make it clear that they are only representing their own situation. The OP is trolling because they’re trying to expand their own opinion to apply universally.
If the OP had said “Apple’s commercial strikes me funny because I personally consider a computer to have to meet these qualifications which the iPad doesn’t do in my view” that would be an opinion.
Instead they said “FALSE ADVERTISING!!! The iPad is NOT a computer and no one can use it for real work!!!”
OP is merely expressing his/her opinion. From OP’s point of view, it’s false advertising. This is an expressed opinion. We can agree or disagree with it.
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First, it’s not just me - read the comments and it seems to be the prevailing view.
Second, as I said, the OP is trying to say “this is true for everybody” not “this is true for me”.
Third, there’s a difference between trying to start a conversation with a controversial opinion, and saying something with intent to cause angst.
Lastly, the OP can have any opinion they want - and just like they have their “opinion”, I have mine saying they are a toll looking to start something instead of trying to have an actual discussion.
Which is even funnier considering Apple’s advertising explicitly means “this isn’t a computer, but much of what people do on them is possible here”.
The OP, hilariously, set up his own semantics to make an argument about false advertising BASED ON SOMETHING that wasn’t in the advertisement.
The OP said:
"The Ipad is a pure entertainment device for 90% of the population, much less a computer. It's sad they
are trying to market it as a computer. It's no more a computer than an Iphone.."
That reads like a statement and not one persons opinion. If you read through the rest of the thread, you will see how the OP continued to share his beliefs and not his opinions.
To add to this, when reading the OPs statements, see how generous they were in accepting that other people might have a different viewpoint - it would have been an ENTIRELY different conversation if the OP wasn’t as aggressive.
Richard, I get what you’re saying and normally I would agree with you if this was just a difference of opinion, but not this time.
I own an Air 2, a 10.5, a Galaxy Tab S2, a Dell XPS 13 laptop, and 2 desktops and consider all of them computers. I interacted with the first computer I used almost 50 years ago via punch cards, the second one via flip switches on the front panel. They're all "computers" - just different kinds with different interfaces and capabilities. Though purely mechanical, Babbage's Analytical Engine was a computer.
And you have the right to go on being self-righteous! See? Works out for everyone!
Me self-righteous? I’m just saying the OP’s opinion is as valid as yours and anyone else’s. Seems to me you’re the judgmental one here.
He hasn’t been able to address any of the points people have made beyond repeating the same false assertions over and over (you can’t REALLY edit photos, you can’t REALLY use printers, etc) and constantly moving the goalposts. I’m sorry, but not every opinion is just as valid as any other - some are just poorly reasoned and poorly supported. This is one of them.
The responses the OP has made to holes in his arguments are frankly embarrassing.
Maybe every individual should first pick a device and then decide if it’s a computer or not. /s
I use my iPad as a laptop replacement. I haven't used my MacBook Pro in weeks since I bought 10.5 IPP. It may not make sense for you but for others it gets the job don't. with ios11 it makes it more of a laptop replacement than ever before.
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hmmm you are aware its 2017 and old rules do not apply. I see people all the time use it in business. its very mobile and more than capable for use in the traditional business sense.
One of the ironic things about that ad is when Cortana asks Siri if she's running the full version of Office. As in "Hey Microsoft, YOU'RE the ones that built Office for the iPad - why didn't YOU build a "full" version for the iPad? Afraid of the competition?"
I’ll tell you why. Because it doesn’t run a full operating system. It isn’t capable of doing so. Nice try on the Microsoft attack. Microsoft makes a full version of office for computers running OSX. This goes along with my argument. The commercial is spot on. Leapfrog, ipad, asus tablet, samsung tablet. Tablet, not computer.
Your contention is all based on your own personal (narrow) definition of "computer" and does not match any commonly-accepted definition that I've seen in over 45 years of experience. And that's fine for you but don't try and tell us that yours is the canonical definition that we now have to accept. It's pretty clear with the replies in this thread that you have gone done a very singular path.
I’m just being real. If you guys want to call tv’s computers and all that so be it. I’m just telling it like it is. This notion that Ipad’s rule the office or are vastly used in corporate america or for productivity is false. It’s an entertainment device first and foremost. This concept that people everywhere are busting out anything but trivial and small work from Ipads is well, false. Don’t let Apple marketing fool you otherwise. I will say productivity and usability widely varies, but let’s not call an entertainment tablet a computer.
Nobody says that iPads "rule the office" or are "vastly" used in corporate America - I know, I worked there for a very long time. But I do believe you are flat out wrong saying it's simply an entertainment tablet and I could give a hoot what Apple advertising says. And I'll add that we used iPads in deployed defense systems (that I'm not at liberty to identify) and by no means were they there for entertainment purposes - they worked as true laptop replacements and were providing computational services.
The iPad is perfectly capable of running a "Full" version of Office (minus the Visual Basic add-in... I'll give you that iOS probably would not allow VB), Microsoft chose not to build one. Why? Ask Microsoft - probably because they're invested in their Surface strategy.
You're being pretty far from "real", and you're pretty out of touch as for "telling it like it is". As sparked mentioned, nobody every said the iPad "ruled the office". Now you're just making things up.
Hey Richard - I hope you're keeping track of the person you're defending. Now the OP is claiming that anything people produce on the iPad is trivial.
Well Gaprofitt, thank you for calling what I do at work trivial.
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So answer me a question, so all of these companies are developing half baked featureless versions of software even though the Ipad is fully capable of running full versions? The answer is No. Ios is a mobile OS. It severely limits what can be done. Look at not only office but the Adobe offerings.
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The reaction to the new version of Adobe Lightroom Cloud on the desktop has not been well-received. A lot of photo pros are moving to Affinity Photo on the Mac. I wouldn’t put Adobe on any pedestals.
The iOS version of Affinity Photo is nearly feature-compatible with the desktop version.
Speaking of trivial: Kyle Lambert talks about how the iPad Pro is integral to how he creates movie posters.
- Up until the past few years, iOS devices weren't as powerful and probably not as capable of running more capable apps. Now, iOS devices are much more powerful and much more capable (probably starting with the Air 2 and up).
- Adobe built their apps years ago - they SHOULD do an update and build more powerful apps, because...
- Look at apps like Affinity Photo - if Adobe doesn't up their game, other apps will eat their lunch.
- Affinity Photo is hardly the only app that has a full-featured version on the iPad: Sketchbook my favorite app on the iPad because I can use it the same way on the iPad or the Surface Pro.
- Speaking of... is running a "full version" of an app a requirement of a "computer"? If so, there are many low-end laptops that wouldn't fit that definition of being a computer because they can't run "full versions" of apps (they don't meet the requirements).
- I won't deny that there are things that just can't be done on an iPad - but that doesn't mean it's not a computer OR that it's JUST an entertainment device.
- I also won't deny that developers need to step up - especially companies like Adobe, Microsoft, and even Apple. There are developers proving that iOS is INDEED capable.
I have both Lightroom and Affinity on my iPad and find I still prefer Lightroom for RAW processing (when I do it on the iPad). The issues with the new Lightroom CC are numerous and I'll stick with Lightroom Classic (and older standalone Lightroom on a couple of machines). I use Windows, not Macs, so a desktop Affinity is not an option for me but even if it were, I would still stick with Lightroom. All of that aside, both programs on iOS are extremely powerful and capable and in no way could either be typified as "half baked featureless". I would say the same of the Office 365 products; though not the full capability suite, they still have a wide spectrum of features that a lot of users would find more than adequate.