Apple - False Advertising rant

[Michael Goff]

I use a docking station, which you know, you can't do on an iPad..

So you live the dock life. And you know you can get things to attach Ethernet and SD cards to an iPad.

Then again, I’m getting sucked into a “how do I use an iPad in a corporate environment” discussion. That’s not even much of a discussion. I should be refuting the idea that the iPad is less of a computer for the average person.

You still haven’t said what you think a majority of people do with their computers. Well, you have, but you put coding and video editing. So maybe try being serious.
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That little trick hasn't worked for me for ages. According to that thread, it should work if I install FireFox though. Worth a try.

It seems to me like everything I try to do in iOS requires some workaround, whether it's a trick (that you aren't really supposed to be able to do) or an entire app or collection of apps just to solve that one task.

I have background audio on my iPad and iPhone. And I also have GPM. >>

 

[Raist3001]

Corporate america uses computers bro, not iPad's.. That's hardly a small percentage of the population.

That was never your point. You claimed the iPad was not a computer and a pure entertainment device with your first post. Now you are back peddling and making new points as to what devices corporate america uses as if this is evidence for your point that iPad is not a computer.

 

[Michael Goff]

That was never your point. You claimed the iPad was not a computer and a pure entertainment device with your first post. Now you are back peddling and making new points as to what devices corporate america uses.

It’s a fairly common thing people do, assume their anecdotes are evidence. I mean, people in a topic about how an analyst things iPhone X sales are great are saying “but I don’t see any” as if that means anything.

People don’t realize anecdote aren’t evidence and their use case doesn’t match everyone’s.

 

[Gaprofitt]

That was never your point. You claimed the iPad was not a computer and a pure entertainment device with your first post. Now you are back peddling and making new points as to what devices corporate america uses.

It is an entertainment device, which is why no one uses it in corporate america. See the correlation..

 

[Michael Goff]

It is an entertainment device, which is why no one uses it in corporate america. See the correlation..

Are you arguing that corporate America defines what is and isn’t a computer? And are you arguing what most people use their computers for mirror corporate America?

 

[Raist3001]

It is an entertainment device, which is why no one uses it in corporate america. See the correlation..

LOL...so you are using Corporate America to define what a computer is, and you believe a correlation exists there?

Corporate America also uses windows. SO I guess the MAC is not a computer!

 

[Gaprofitt]

Are you arguing that corporate America defines what is and isn’t a computer? And are you arguing what most people use their computers for mirror corporate America?

I am stating an iPad can't replace an actual computer, corporate america (where millions work) is a perfect example of that.

 

[Michael Goff]

I am stating an iPad can't replace an actual computer, corporate america (where millions work) is a perfect example of that.

You’re right. It can’t replace computers for Corporate America. But that’s a microcosm. Millions have use cases where it can’t replace. Millions also can’t use a MacBook Air for their workflow or the newest MBP.

What do you really think normal people use their computers for? I’m not talking corporate America, I’m talking about a majority of people.

 

[Gaprofitt]

You’re right. It can’t replace computers for Corporate America. But that’s a microcosm. Millions have use cases where it can’t replace. Millions also can’t use a MacBook Air for their workflow or the newest MBP.

What do you really think normal people use their computers for? I’m not talking corporate America, I’m talking about a majority of people.

I think normal people are the same people working in corporate america. Are you stating the majority of people don't work in an office? I think I know one person that doesn't. Those same people in the office jobs often work at home also. The iPad can't replace a laptop for a huge majority of the population.. Discussion over.

 

[sparksd]

I think normal people are the same people working in corporate america. Are you stating the majority of people don't work in an office? I think I know one person that doesn't. Those same people in the office jobs often work at home also. The iPad can't replace a laptop for a huge majority of the population.. Discussion over.

Discussion over? Thank God you're going away!

 

[Michael Goff]

I think normal people are the same people working in corporate america. Are you stating the majority of people don't work in an office? I think I know one person that doesn't. Those same people in the office jobs often work at home also. The iPad can't replace a laptop for a huge majority of the population.. Discussion over.

Sadly for you, you don’t get to post a topic and decide that you don’t want discussion. You never told me what you think normal people do with THEIR computers. You kept talking about work and Corporate America. Those aren’t their computers and I highly doubt people are buying computers for themselves based on what they do at work.

What do you think most people do with THEIR COMPUTERS that THEY BUY that an iPad can’t do?

 

[Raist3001]

The iPad can't replace a laptop for a huge majority of the population.. Discussion over.

Corporate America also uses windows. So by your logic, the MAC is not a computer.
For the majority of people, a MAC cannot replace their windows laptop or desktop, So by your logic, the MAC is not a computer.

 

[Michael Goff]

Corporate America also uses windows. So by your logic, the MAC is not a computer.
For the majority of people, a MAC cannot replace their windows laptop or desktop, So by your logic, the MAC is not a computer.

I already pointed out his criteria also killed the MBP (which he denied because of a docking solution while ignoring the SD Card and Ethernet adapter solutions for the iPad).

 

[Gaprofitt]

Corporate America also uses windows. So by your logic, the MAC is not a computer.
For the majority of people, a MAC cannot replace their windows laptop or desktop, So by your logic, the MAC is not a computer.

This might be the dumbest thing I have read all day. How can a Mac not replace a PC? You can run Windows on the Mac using Bootcamp and or using Vmware workstation/Parallels/Virtual box etc. You can also just use the Mac to replace your pc.

 

[Raist3001]

This might be the dumbest thing I have read all day. How can a Mac not replace a PC? You can run Windows on the Mac using Bootcamp and or using Vmware workstation/Parallels/Virtual box etc. You can also just use the Mac to replace your pc.

LOL...you are back pedaling rather quickly. You said the iPad is not a computer. That was your point. Since you LOST that debate, you are now claiming that because corporate america uses desktops and laptops, the iPad cannot replace that setup, thus is not a computer. I used the same corporate america to challenge your view, and since corporate america uses windows, by your own logic in this very thread, the MAC is not a computer. Your definition of computer seems to change with your points. You have cherry picked peoples replies, and refuse to answer specific questions. By your own criteria, you have been shown how a Macbook pro is not a computer. I can only conclude you are having fun and a nice laugh. I for one refuse to feed you any longer.

 

[Brammy]

This might be the dumbest thing I have read all day. How can a Mac not replace a PC?

We can move goal posts around all day for what is and isn't a computer. You're going to keep claiming the iPad is a consumption device, and those of us who do production work on iPads are going to keep on using them. Nothing we are going to say, give an example of, or prove we do with them is going to change your view point.

 

[Michael Goff]

We can move goal posts around all day for what is and isn't a computer. You're going to keep claiming the iPad is a consumption device, and those of us who do production work on iPads are going to keep on using them. Nothing we are going to say, give an example of, or prove we do with them is going to change your view point.

And here I am arguing that most people use their computers in their homes for content consumption.

 

[Gaprofitt]

And here I am arguing that most people use their computers in their homes for content consumption.

Exactly "Entertainment device"

 

[Michael Goff]

Exactly "Entertainment device"

You were arguing that it isn’t a computer because most people don’t do content creation on it and also agrees that most people don’t create crap on their laptops and desktops. Pick a side please.

 

[Gaprofitt]

You were arguing that it isn’t a computer because most people don’t do content creation on it and also agrees that most people don’t create crap on their laptops and desktops. Pick a side please.

It's no more a computer than my SmartTV..

 

[Brammy]

Exactly "Entertainment device"

Last week, I did the following of note on my iPad:

• Read the PDFs for class via iBooks
• Wrote a paper using Word on iOS*
• Created a presentation for class using PowerPoint for iOS*
• Submitted all assignments via iPad
• Took notes in a handful of meetings
• Wrote some long-form writing in Ulysses
• Edited a photo to create a fake bokeh effect via Affinity Photo for the iPad. Multiple layer project
• Worked on some sketches in Procreate.
• Connected to our VDI tool using VMware Horizon View to do some work on my jobby job that I needed to be on our network for.

Last week, I did the following of note on my Mac:

• Surfed the web
• Played World of Warcraft
• Briefly took a look at [EDIT: not Procreate Pro. Typo] Pixelmator Pro, but decided to wait for the iPad version anyway because I like editing photos on my iPad anyway.

By your logic, the MacBook Pro would be the entertainment device. I just didn't do much production work on my Mac. I like doing those tasks on my iPad.

Why are you so unwilling to accept that people do quote-unquote "real work" on an iPad. I use my iPad every single day at my corporate job. I can't do everything with it, no. But it's a tool to my job. I don't call a screwdriver a fake tool because it can't drill a hole in the wall.

People have different needs, and use different tools to do what they need to do. I don't need one tool that does everything. I want the best tool for that job I need to do. Sometimes that tool is my Mac. Sometimes that tool is my Windows PC. Sometimes that tool is my iPad. Not everyone has this luxury, granted.

*In neither of these cases did not having the full suite of functionality slow me down materially. I will concede the point that styles management for Word on iOS could use a little love.

 

[bensisko]

I am stating an iPad can't replace an actual computer, corporate america (where millions work) is a perfect example of that.

You’re still wrong. While it may not be anywhere near a huge percentage, there ARE users in “corporate America” that use iPads, even in large multi-national companies.

 

[Michael Goff]

You’re still wrong. While it may not be anywhere near a huge percentage, there ARE users in “corporate America” that use iPads, even in large multi-national companies.

Hasn’t IBM distributed over 48k iPads to employees?

 

[bensisko]

Hasn’t IBM distributed over 48k iPads to employees?

They’re not the only ones! I personally know of at least three others that I have worked with.

 

[kristalsoldier]

I am stating an iPad can't replace an actual computer, corporate america (where millions work) is a perfect example of that.

Well, also consider perhaps “the work” corporate America does was originally designed in and for pre iPad days. Things are changing. But it will take time. We are transiting towards using increasingly powerful devices which allow us to be mobile while not compromising the kind of work we do. We are certainly not there yet and we have some ways to go but our transitioning into such a mode cannot be denied.