IPad Pros are a new thing. Corporate America tends to be way behind the times. It is expensive and very time consuming to implement new technology, so corporations tend to not be risky and wait years until something is well established before investing in it. iPhones came out in 2007, but as of 2010 most of Corporate America was still using Blackberrys. Give them another few years and they will have iPad Pros deployed.
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Corporate america uses what is called Active Directory from Microsoft. This is how the machines are managed. While you can bind/connect a Macbook or a device with a full OS, you can't with IOS. Security and device management is a huge deal these days. What's more likely to happen is they would allow your Ipad to connect to a virtualized desktop running in a datacenter. This would keep employees from also removing secure data from the facility. And you would get the Full OS experience vs only what IOS can offer.
Or, you can use an MDM suite like MaaS360 for security and device management on iOS. That's what we use. Controls what users can and can't store, do, download, access, etc. on their mobile devices. Lets us wipe the machine if reported stolen, etc. Plus, iOS has pretty decent device-level encryption. If the company uses OneDrive for Business, you can even get to your entire networked home directory on the iPad.
I get that but excluding Active Directory for devices that are used for productivity would be a huge no go. If they are only used to connect to Virtual machines that would be an acceptable solution.
Do you work in Corporate IT? I do. That an iPad doesn’t have a computer account in AD is of no concern to me. It’s handled through Maas and users use their AD account on iOS to acces email, SharePoint etc.
We don’t have many, if any, full-time iPad Pro users where I work, but we have a lot rolled out in production floors.
But, we’ve gotten off topic. Your original rant was the ad was false advertising. Somehow we got away from the use-cases shown in the ad to the big hindrance being an iPad doesn’t have an AD Computer Entry (but would show up with a DNS entry in AD). The ad is not false advertising. I’ve done everything in that ad over the last two days alone. Either with the exact apps shown, or a similar app.
Hardly. Active Directory is only viable and dominant because it was created to manage Windows computers, a consequence of Microsoft's near-monopoly in desktop computing. Mobile computing is dominated by other players, who have a vested interest in delivering Active Directory-like solutions for their platforms. One reason Microsoft is as big as it is in cloud computing is their recognition that, going forward, they need a platform-independent source of revenue.
Desktop computing is not a growth market. Mobile devices cost less, and are the most practical solution for many kinds of workers.
Let's take restaurants as an example. The traditional, Microsoft/mainframe approach to computerized order processing is to have several transaction-entry stations distributed around the establishment. The servers take orders with paper and pencil, then go to the transaction-entry station to enter their orders, sometimes queuing up behind other servers. At the end of the meal each server returns to the order-entry station to adjust and generate the bill, brings that bill to the guest, awaits payment, and if a credit card transaction returns to the transaction-entry station to process the payment, then returns to the table with the payment slip for signature. If the customer adds a tip to the credit card slip, then it's back to the transaction-entry station to enter the tip.
Or, each server has a mobile device, and all transactions are entered and completed at table side. No transcription, no paper. The time saved going back and forth to the transaction entry station results in faster service (faster table turn-over = more guests served in the same amount of space) and/or may reduce the number of servers required. Cash control solutions can't be quite that decentralized, but cash transactions are a steadily declining portion of revenues. Does it make sense to send servers to the cash register for every transaction, if the vast majority of transactions don't involve cash?
The situation is similar in many other fields, including health care, retail sales, transportation, and delivery.
If someone told the big boss, "We can't make that change, because it's not compatible with Active Directory," they'd be skating on very thin career ice. A competent IT professional, when asked, "How can we be sure the system will be secure and that our employees aren't mis-using/stealing the equipment," will answer, "MDM."
If you hadn't noticed, Apple has established alliances with major providers of enterprise solutions, including IBM, Cisco, SAP, Accenture, GE, and Deloitte. Apparently, you believe that a computing device is only a "computer" if it is used in business. Case closed. https://www.apple.com/business/
Now, perhaps you'd rather not see this happen - your career is invested in desktop computing, and growth prospects in "computing" (as anyone but you would define it) are limited on the desktop. Worse, mobile is stealing share from desktop, as well as opening up new avenues for deployment. If you'll be retiring in the next five years, you should be fine, but if you still have decades to go before retirement... don't bank your future on maintaining the status quo.
If i could run JDownloader on it and convert files to another format or plug in an external hdd maybe. OR even simpler, being able go use it to restore another iOS device? 
True, it is not a laptop replacement, but it is good as a light laptop for many for basic things. I am able to use the Microsoft Office Suite very well and I can access our entire company's LAN via Documents app, mark up PDFs, present using Powerpoint, scan documents, manage email. I would sometimes travel just with my ipp.
However, I must disclose that I have now switched from the ipp to a loaded Surface Pro (which I actually LOVE) so that I have more Excel functions available, I can more easily connect to projectors wirelessly,and so I can use Adobe Creative Suite.
However, I must disclose that I have now switched from the ipp to a loaded Surface Pro (which I actually LOVE) so that I have more Excel functions available, I can more easily connect to projectors wirelessly,and so I can use Adobe Creative Suite.
A computer is what you make of it, most people do facebook, mail, netflix, youtube and that's about it. The iPad is great at those things, the office suite/iWork is also o charm.
So yeah, it's not a computer if you use advanced programs like CAD or video editing but neither is a low end apple laptop in terms of specs.
So yeah, it's not a computer if you use advanced programs like CAD or video editing but neither is a low end apple laptop in terms of specs.
And that's the big point - there are instances where a user experience on an iPad Pro is going to be preferable to a low-speced Windows or macOS machine.
Funny that you're posting this, since a new iPad comes with a multi-core 64 bit CPU that would run circles around those 32 bit minicomputers
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Nobody uses it in corporate America? Well, that is rubbish. And you know it.
I use an iPad Pro and iPhone for ALL of my computing needs. Of course it's a computer, you'd be very naive to say otherwise. I no longer have any need for a typical desktop environment, macOS, or windows.
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I use an iPad Pro for my computer at a $10B+ company. Still not a computer?
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I use an iPad Pro for my computer at a $10B+ company. Still not a computer?
My main question: is it obvious to those responding to this thread that op is a troll and are just having fun tripping them up in logic or do they really think they’ll change this person’s mind?
Troll? Because the OP invents his own definition of computer and accuses Apple of false advertising because they don't line up with his definition? Because the OP throws out a wholly unsubstantiated statistic on iPad utilization?
Oxford English Dictionary definition of computer: "An electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program."
The dictionary is obviously wrong.
Computer: a device that is as thick as 10 phone books with ports that can hook any device up to it from the past 30 years. Floppy, Zip drive, cd rom. It has to have either windows or Mac as an OS and cannot he named iPad
Shoot. I just realized my own definition doesn’t fit most computers out today. Well what about something that can hook up to most peripherals available from the last decade? Dammit. MacBook and MacBook Pro are no longer computers.
Maybe we should just leave it at “everybody picks the right computer for what they need it for” and move on eh? I wouldn’t buy a sports car and complain that I couldn’t tow my boat or load a bunch of groceries in it. I sure as hell wouldn’t say that “I can’t call this a car anymore because it doesn’t do those things” either.
We see the same argument in brand new threads every week. For years. It’s getting tired. One side refuses to believe iPad can get any work done and the other side explains how they get work done. Then anti iPad side explains how they’re wrong for bs reasons relating to specialized computer software or something and the thread goes the same way every damn time. It’s like Groundhog Day. We’re on a loop
But there's (at least) two different types within the "anti-iPad" argument:
Type 1: "Here's the specific reasons I need my Macbook to stick around and not go all-in on the iPad" - this type is careful to define these reasons as their own (perhaps generalize that people with the same needs as them), perhaps lamenting about how iOS lacks certain features or applications aren't powerful enough. While still somewhat inflexible, their posts are somewhat interesting to really think about limitations of devices, how those might be overcome (or if they should), and what the future might be. They will also, at least, acknowledge it's specific to them (and perhaps people in the same situation) and might not apply to all.
Type 2: "iPad doesn't meet my needs, so therefore it can't meet ANYBODY'S needs - because I am the ideal representation of computer user - by the way, the iPad Pro totally isn't 'Pro'..." - this type of poster is as you described: the center of the computer user universe. They have their own definitions of what things are and there is no changing their minds. Their points are all about maintaining their own status quo and posts aren't even interesting as a point-of-view because of their inflexibility. Their posts are only really useful as entertainment.
An iPhone is an amazingly powerful computer. Of course the iPad is a computer. Anyone who has lived a long life has used much less powerful computers.
Overall, the OP's position is that the definition of "computer" is usage-based - "computing" is limited to certain kinds of users, tasks, and hardware configurations. That goes against the very notion of "general purpose computer," a machine that, due to its programmability, is capable of anything that can be coded to run on it.
A person may disapprove of some of the seemingly mundane or frivolous ways these computing devices are used, but it doesn't change the fact that they are being done with a computer. It's like saying that a gas lawn mower does not have an internal combustion engine because cutting a suburbanite's grass is not real "engine work."
To me, the excitement of computing is its diverse capabilities and potential. The idea that a very large percentage of the world's population is now carrying one or more general purpose computers wherever they go is just mind-blowing. When I joined my high school's six-member computing club in the early 1970s, we had a single TTY tied to a mainframe by acoustic modem. "Storage" was a punched paper tape drive. A few years later, things hadn't changed much, only I was sitting in a room full of TTYs in a sub-basement at a major university. A couple of years after that, Woz and Steve managed to sell about 200 Apple I's. 40 years more, and there are over 1 billion Apple computers in active use, in a world where Windows PCs and Android mobile devices greatly outnumber Apples.
Any computing professional who can't celebrate this must have entered the field for a paycheck, rather than passion.
A person may disapprove of some of the seemingly mundane or frivolous ways these computing devices are used, but it doesn't change the fact that they are being done with a computer. It's like saying that a gas lawn mower does not have an internal combustion engine because cutting a suburbanite's grass is not real "engine work."
To me, the excitement of computing is its diverse capabilities and potential. The idea that a very large percentage of the world's population is now carrying one or more general purpose computers wherever they go is just mind-blowing. When I joined my high school's six-member computing club in the early 1970s, we had a single TTY tied to a mainframe by acoustic modem. "Storage" was a punched paper tape drive. A few years later, things hadn't changed much, only I was sitting in a room full of TTYs in a sub-basement at a major university. A couple of years after that, Woz and Steve managed to sell about 200 Apple I's. 40 years more, and there are over 1 billion Apple computers in active use, in a world where Windows PCs and Android mobile devices greatly outnumber Apples.
Any computing professional who can't celebrate this must have entered the field for a paycheck, rather than passion.
A subsection of Type 2 is: I've never even tried, or attempted, to do any work on an iPad, use any of the apps people have talked about, but dismiss using a device out of hand.
Now I'll agree that the OP is using a very narrow (obtusely narrow even) definitition of computer, but a little in their defense :
Some people might. However, what can't be done on an app or webpage for this for those who would neeed to do it on a tablet could probably also have a remote terminal set up for it. Especially if not programming for MacOS or iOS.
And for some the need for subs might annoy people (example : MS Office on mobile is mostly a read-only experience without a 365 sub).
At the same time a more and more apps are more full featured if differently laid out than their desktop counterparts.
) don't always work either.
And on this I totally agree :
If a computer is only a computer if it' has a hinge attached somewhere to the monitor, then iMacs aren't computers, and my current computer would be questionable as the screens are mounted to multi-monitor setup and don't have any hinges directly attached to themselves.
Some people might. However, what can't be done on an app or webpage for this for those who would neeed to do it on a tablet could probably also have a remote terminal set up for it. Especially if not programming for MacOS or iOS.
This is more of a case of not every computer is fit for everything kind of issue. Which kinda supports the OP's point, but I'd guess also doesn't?
I use some gaming software that doesn't provide a full app for iOS/mobile. And it's can be annoying.
And for some the need for subs might annoy people (example : MS Office on mobile is mostly a read-only experience without a 365 sub).
At the same time a more and more apps are more full featured if differently laid out than their desktop counterparts.
Not irrelevant. This is one of the biggest complaints about the iOS ecosystem after all. Although outside of a few cases it's not an insurmountable barrier in most cases but it can be a big issue.
Which doesn't necessarily solve the problem. Either the access point/bridge or the printer would still need SOMETHING to have the printing work with the iPad. I'll grant that most major brands have one for their printers most likely still in use that don't support AirPrint, but it's not guaranteed. And the 3rd party solutions (or would that be more fourth?
) don't always work either.And on this I totally agree :
If a computer is only a computer if it' has a hinge attached somewhere to the monitor, then iMacs aren't computers, and my current computer would be questionable as the screens are mounted to multi-monitor setup and don't have any hinges directly attached to themselves.
I don’t think anybody is saying that the iPad is perfect for anybody in any situation, but more to counter the argument the OP is making that it’s not of use to anybody for more than entertainment.
Nah, the OP was obviously trolling.
Either the access point/bridge or the printer would still need SOMETHING to have the printing work with the iPad. I'll grant that most major brands have one for their printers most likely still in use that don't support AirPrint, but it's not guaranteed. And the 3rd party solutions (or would that be more fourth?
Irrelevant. The point is, is that I can print to network printers which was a criteria of the OP for a computer.