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DNichter

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Apr 27, 2015
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I don't know. iPhone's and iPad's are still the best out there in my opinion. I wasn't thrilled with the upgrades this year, but it's an S year, what do you expect? The X was so great that I may just keep it for a year. Android certainly isn't doing anything to innovate either except for throwing more specs at it. If you prefer that though, go for it. Do what you want, nobody here is going to care either way.
 

DevinNj

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Apr 27, 2016
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Yes they are taking our money hence a Trillion Dollar company. Apple will always do well with die hard users but prices have got way out of hand. All it will do is put off people who were thinking of moving to IOS.

I understand completely, prices have risen tremendously which is off putting to a lot of people. But someone going on a forum and stating how they're over it, is like calling an ex years later to say I've forgotten all about you.
 

DNichter

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Apr 27, 2015
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A12 Bionic is literally an AI supercomputer that fits in your pocket, and you're finding something to complain about.

Yea, Apple really has no competition in the area. Will it make a huge difference coming from an A11? Unlikely, but it's still the most advanced chip out there. You can't fault them. Expecting massive changes every year is just silly. It's a computer, use it and move on with your life.
 

archer75

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I remember the same thing about Blackberry phones, if you get stale and don't innovate, you get crushed..
Sure. But all phones are currently stuck in this space. Market is saturated and sales are down across the board. I work in the chip business and we're feeling the slow down. How much can really be done on a phone year after year? They will continue to get faster and existing features will improve. But it seems it's peaked and there's nothing revolutionary left to do in this space. We'll see. Apple really needs that next big thing.
 
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ftaok

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Yes they are,
taking our money hence a Trillion Dollar company. Apple will always do well with die hard users but prices have got way out of hand. All it will do is put off people who were thinking of moving to IOS.
Many users are price conscious and not tech saavy. They wouldn't be buying flagship devices regardless of the platform. They generally buy what the guy in the cell phone stores says is a good phone. Look at all of the Androids out there being used. They're aren't the latest Sammy flagship. They're a lower cost device.

Apple has a device for them too. It was the flagship from 2 years ago at $450.

Sure the flagship has gotten more and more expensive, but techies will buy it because that's what we do.

Moderate techies with more disposable income (like me) will buy an expensive phone and use it for many years. So to me, it doens't matter that the Xs that I want is $1150 instead of $1050. The extra $100 spread out over 4 years isn't a big deal. I get a phone that will provide great performance for 2 years, then good performance for year 3, and excruciating performance for year 4 as I long for the next flagship.
 
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macduke

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I watched just a summary of the nonsense yesterday, this clown on stage was talking about the new Watch. "I know you guys are worried about the battery life, but we are pleased to say, it hasn't changed.." What kind of spin is that?
The Apple Watch is twice as fast with the new 64-bit processor, has 50% louder speakers, is thinner, has a display that is 35% larger, and a freakin EKG—all in a case that is the same volume as before. That is why he said that people might be worried about battery life.

So is Samsung captain. I don't see Samsung trying to get into the car business..
Samsung is not a trillion dollar company. Apple's current market cap is around $1.1T, while Samsung's is around 770B. Not that I think it matters much, just pointing out that you are being blind in your "fanboyism" here. Truth matters more than winning, as there are actual credible arguments one can make as to why an Android device might be better. By lying you are only hurting your cause.

I think that there isn't much to the iPhone XS over the original iPhone X and was disappointed by that, but the Apple Watch is actually a pretty decent upgrade this year. Overall IMO the event wasn't very innovative, and I think it's pretty hilarious that Apple is now erasing AirPower from their site. So a bit of a lit down. Also I think the XS Max is one of the dumbest names I've heard for a phone and Apple fans would be laughing their butts off if Google or Samsung named a phone that.

I think that the iPhone XR will sell quite well as it's a compelling device for a more reasonable price. I doubt they'll push very many XS units compared to last year, and the price for the Max is pretty high so that may be limiting. I was pretty sure we were going to see the XR at $699, with the XS and Max at $849 and $999. It's going to be really interesting to see the sales numbers for these things. There could be a certain segment of the population who didn't upgrade to the X because they don't like to upgrade to new technology in the first generation, or for those who have been waiting to upgrade because of contractual reasons or what not.
 

Anandc

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May 17, 2011
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Android doesn't stand near to iOS.

I've used Android for more than 5 years and iOS for around 4 years and clearly iOS is far better, stable, clean and the best.

Android is nonsense. They will give you all the features and work like ****. There are bugs and lags (Android lovers will never accept) and that's why every time you see an Android smartphone saying, look we have 6GB RAM, 8GB RAM, such a waste of technology. There is no coordination between the hardware and software.

Android is Windows of computer operating system. iOS is MAC OSX of computer operating system.

Android let's you customise everything and will give you many features, in fact I am 100% sure there are more features and functionality in Android compared to iOS but they're not reliable at all. The security is worst in Android compared to any other OS.

When it comes to iOS, there may be less features but they're accurate. They do the job and they bloody do it well. Apple addresses the bugs and limitations instantly. There is a constant update for iOS for all the devices not like Android that we sold it to you now keep waiting for updates and it will take time cause we don't have a good system of hardware and software integration.

In short, iOS is the most secured and stable operating system in the world. Don't argue, just google it and if you find any article which goes against my word, paste it here!
 

spooky23

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Jan 11, 2013
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Not sure what else they can do with smartphones until tech gets smaller in size and cheaper to mass produce. We - the public - are the ones that drive these companies on to be innovative but let's not pretend all manufactures haven't hit a ceiling. More or less. All upgrades tend to be incremental and if you a design change then surely all that points to is vanity. "Oooh look, it's got a new design, I'll have it now cause it looks different".

Thing is, we've been doing too.

People shouldn't be afraid to change if they dont find something attractive anymore.

I'm talking about phones. Not your wife. Try harder with your wife.
 

jeyf

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Jan 20, 2009
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.. someone going on and stating how they're over it, is like...
every product introduction has its trolls proclaiming the device is utter magic and a year later teams of lawyers are forming user class actions cases. Right after a introduction there is just a lot of false positive noise for something your mother would tell you NOT to buy

4example:
If Apple wanted to add something to the latest iPhone it would be 5G support. The resale on any new iPhones going forward in time will be nill when 5g comes available.
 
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thadoggfather

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Oct 1, 2007
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The battery life stuff is embarrassing imo

“We gave you the same 18 hour battery life you
LOVE”

“Customers always look for more battery... so we’re giving youn30 More minutes”


Ughhhh

But Apple watch4 still looks sweet imo. Apple is just pretty
Out of touch
 

democracyrules

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At one point in time it was worth it staying in the Apple locked down egosystem. The technology far surpassed what other's were doing. Those times have long gone.. They are simply not an innovative company any more. Tricking those in to thinking, it's the latest, it's the best..

I watched just a summary of the nonsense yesterday, this clown on stage was talking about the new Watch. "I know you guys are worried about the battery life, but we are pleased to say, it hasn't changed.." What kind of spin is that?

Needless to say I switched to Android 2 years ago, and haven't looked back. Sure Android's messaging system needs some love, but everything else is a better experience. It's not locked down, it's not controlled. I don't live with a bag of dongles and I am free..

Well, i'm not only moving on, I've moved on. You should as well.
All you said is incorrect. Just because of the product price beyond someone’s reach and the product itself is not a necessity for living such as food, etc, the company manufacturing the product lost its luster. Stop being self centered and entitlement. I personally agree with Apple and what their direction is. I am very satisfied that Apple finally puts their foot on their highest quality products. Apple has several iPhone product lines which fits with various customer affordability. Stop feeling sorry and get the product fits your budget and affordability. Apple has a right to do what they need to do for growing their business profit.
 

briankeith513

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Feb 6, 2011
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I remember being a huge android fanatic and hating apple, before the iPhone 4. But I never looked for Apple forums or blogs to comment or participate in any way, because I didn't care about their products. However, for many reasons, I switched from Android, and no longer like Android products, and like Apple a lot. Now, I still don't go to Android blogs and forums, as I really don't care about their products. I am truly fascinated that people, who aren't fans, actually take the time to go to a website of their products' competitor to discuss why they don't like it, and to bash them. Its like, if you don't like Apple, "why do you even care? why are you here?"
 

Gaprofitt

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All you said is incorrect. Just because of the product price beyond someone’s reach and the product itself is not a necessity for living such as food, etc, the company manufacturing the product lost its luster. Stop being self centered and entitlement. I personally agree with Apple and what their direction is. I am very satisfied that Apple finally puts their foot on their highest quality products. Apple has several iPhone product lines which fits with various customer affordability. Stop feeling sorry and get the product fits your budget and affordability. Apple has a right to do what they need to do for growing their business profit.

Highest quality?

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/05/23/second-macbook-pro-keyboard-class-action/
 
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Fozziebear71

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At one point in time it was worth it staying in the Apple locked down egosystem. The technology far surpassed what other's were doing. Those times have long gone.. They are simply not an innovative company any more. Tricking those in to thinking, it's the latest, it's the best..

I watched just a summary of the nonsense yesterday, this clown on stage was talking about the new Watch. "I know you guys are worried about the battery life, but we are pleased to say, it hasn't changed.." What kind of spin is that?

Needless to say I switched to Android 2 years ago, and haven't looked back. Sure Android's messaging system needs some love, but everything else is a better experience. It's not locked down, it's not controlled. I don't live with a bag of dongles and I am free..

Well, i'm not only moving on, I've moved on. You should as well.

So then, why don't you move on from this forum?
 

DevinNj

macrumors 68000
Apr 27, 2016
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Again OP, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to go on an Apple forum and bash their products makes no sense. Do you bash people who believe in a different god than you do, have different political views, have different opinions than yours? I have nothing invested in Apple, I don't think they're the holy grail of the technological world, I have used android and Samsung products in the past as well. Right now I use an iPhone and it works for me. Do what works for you and live and let live. Life's too short.
 

nviz22

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I am not an Apple apologist, but I have to give Apple credit:

FaceID is better than most Android authentication methods. The A12 Bionic Chip is engineering moving forward with the 7nm tech used to make it. TSMC got it out there quicker than Qualcomm, especially designed by Apple. Apple puts out the some of the best LCDs, especially with TrueTone.

Is the iPhone XS Max the best phone hardware wise hands down? No, but it really makes a strong case given with its FaceID 2nd gen and A12 processor.

Right now, the Note 9 has the best hardware imo. Samsung has the best displays in the game. 8gb RAM is going to be relevant for several years. The S-Pen is the best stylus on a phone, especially for productivity. Samsung has some of the best camera sensors on its devices. A beefy battery boosts its longevity too. Software hampered my experience w/ Samsung in the past.
 
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Newtons Apple

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At one point in time it was worth it staying in the Apple locked down egosystem. The technology far surpassed what other's were doing. Those times have long gone.. They are simply not an innovative company any more. Tricking those in to thinking, it's the latest, it's the best..

I watched just a summary of the nonsense yesterday, this clown on stage was talking about the new Watch. "I know you guys are worried about the battery life, but we are pleased to say, it hasn't changed.." What kind of spin is that?

Needless to say I switched to Android 2 years ago, and haven't looked back. Sure Android's messaging system needs some love, but everything else is a better experience. It's not locked down, it's not controlled. I don't live with a bag of dongles and I am free..

Well, i'm not only moving on, I've moved on. You should as well.

Apples stock is up over $6 per share today. Hardly think they lost their luster. Just because they do not make you happy does not mean they lost their luster.

Android never has any luster.
 

bluespark

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Jul 11, 2009
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At one point in time it was worth it staying in the Apple locked down egosystem. The technology far surpassed what other's were doing. Those times have long gone.. They are simply not an innovative company any more. Tricking those in to thinking, it's the latest, it's the best..

I watched just a summary of the nonsense yesterday, this clown on stage was talking about the new Watch. "I know you guys are worried about the battery life, but we are pleased to say, it hasn't changed.." What kind of spin is that?

Needless to say I switched to Android 2 years ago, and haven't looked back. Sure Android's messaging system needs some love, but everything else is a better experience. It's not locked down, it's not controlled. I don't live with a bag of dongles and I am free..

Well, i'm not only moving on, I've moved on. You should as well.

Android is fine, but I'm floored by your takeaway from the Watch presentation -- this is a model with a 30% bigger screen, a much faster processor custom-made for the device, and features that have never before existed in a product of this type, and you think it is "spin" that Apple somehow kept the battery life of the prior model? Just think about the innovation that had to happen with the battery to make that happen.
 

bbednarz

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Nov 16, 2017
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every product introduction has its trolls proclaiming the device is utter magic and a year later teams of lawyers are forming user class actions cases. Right after a introduction there is just a lot of false positive noise for something your mother would tell you NOT to buy

4example:
If Apple wanted to add something to the latest iPhone it would be 5G support. The resale on any new iPhones going forward in time will be nill when 5g comes available.
Why would Apple add 5G support to current phones? 5G is basically nonexistent at this point. Apple does not care about what you can get for your phone at resale. A phone bought second hand just means Apple isn't seeing money from that sale. 5G would make no sense to add to a phone at this point in time. Maybe in 2 years, but most likely not for even longer than that.
 
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