Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

[Radon87000]

Don't do it! It's exactly what Apple wants you to do! You need to teach them a lesson by buying... a....

Well darn, there isn't any other phone worthy of spending money on.

Me not buying Apple products isn’t gonna send any message to Apple. They will earn record profits with or without me.


There isn’t any phone on Android currently without it’s issues and the X’s Issues are unknown. I will take the unknown over the known. Also it will work with my Watch and iPad without any hassles.

I almost did buy the Pixel but the display just spooked me out. It’s not getting good reviews. If I don’t get the X preorder in I might reconsider playing the display lottery on this phone

 

[_Refurbished_]

Don't do it! It's exactly what Apple wants you to do! You need to teach them a lesson by buying... a....

Well darn, there isn't any other phone worthy of spending money on.

Loving my 8. Bigger upgrade from when I went from the 6s > 7.

Wireless charging is the best new iPhone feature since Touch ID. Have had to plug my phone into a wired charger once since launch day.

 

[C DM]

The hard solution which people just do not like mentioned is that you need to buy the X to get rid of this annoyance. The 8 was only released because they have issues making the X. The model which will have the most development time is the X and that’s where all the resources have gone and will go and I know I am getting it because that is the only solution to my problem.

The 7 has no issues on iOS 10 because Apple actually gave a damn about the 10 when it released. It also wasn’t losing to competing smartphones on launch.

But the earlier assumption was that it was done to buy the iPhone 8. Convenient revisionism in action yet again.

 

[Radon87000]

But the earlier assumption was that it was done to buy the iPhone 8.

The earlier assumption was it was done to make us buy iPhone 8 and X. But then we forgot to take into account the fact that the 8 is a filler phone which was made obsolete in just 1 month. That must be breaking some kind of record. Usually it’s one year.

 

[C DM]

The earlier assumption was it was done to make us buy iPhone 8 and X. But then we forgot to take into account the fact that the 8 is a filler phone which was made obsolete in just 1 month. That must be breaking some kind of record. Usually it’s one year.

So basically the reality didn't fit the asumption and it was revised...as I mentioned, convenient revisionism in play. Certainly makes a statement about certain assumptions.

 

[Radon87000]

So basically the reality didn't fit the asumption and it was revised...as I mentioned, convenient revisionism in play.

This doesn’t change the main point of this thread that the home button delay is intentional and is designed for force people to upgrade.

 

[C DM]

This doesn’t change the main point of this thread that the home button delay is intentional and is designed for force people to upgrade.

Sure it does. It doesn't change the part that the delay might be there and some might be experiencing, but it does affect the potential validity of the part about it being intentional to get people to upgrade, given that that's an assumption made in line with assumptions that didn't pan out already and needed to be conveniently revised.

 

[Radon87000]

Sure it does. It doesn't change the part that the delay might be there and some might be experiencing, but it does change the the part about it being intentional to get people to update, given that that's an assumption made in line with assumptions that didn't pan out already and needed to be conveniently revised.

What we were wrong on is which device we were forced into buying. Not many people are buying the 8 to begin with and they are small enough to be collateral damage along with iPhone 7. A purposeful delay was introduced in the solid state home button which slows it down. The likelihood of 6s and 6 owners upgrading this cycle is higher than 7 owners and they don’t need any further nudging. To get the 7 owners to upgrade too they gimped their home button. The 8 owners are far too few and between and it’s not a major loss to Apple. Production is being cut 50% just a month after release.

 

[C DM]

What we were wrong on is which device we were forced into buying. Not many people are buying the 8 to begin with and they are small enough to be collateral damage along with iPhone 7. A purposeful delay was introduced in the solid state home button which slows it down. The likelihood of 6s and 6 owners upgrading this cycle is higher than 7 owners and they don’t need any further nudging. To get the 7 owners to upgrade too they gimped their home button. The 8 owners are far too few and between and it’s not a major loss to Apple. Production is being cut 50% just a month after release.

All fits and exemplifies what I've mentioned.

 

[simonmet]

Let me reinforce, it’s not just the home button delay but the speed of animations which have slowed.

I’m not sure the extent to which they’ve slowed on iPhone 8 as well but there seems to be evidence that Apple has either set the timing of animations on each generation specifically via a global modifier or (deliberately) implemented them in a way in which the newer phones execute them faster.

 

[Radon87000]

All fits and exemplifies what I've mentioned.

You have said nothing which disproves my point that a delay has been introduced into the Button. If it’s unintentional where is the fix? Will it take a year?

 

[C DM]

You have said nothing which disproves my point that a delay has been introduced into the Button. If it’s unintentional where is the fix? Will it take a year?

Nothing about the reasons and anything related to that has been proven, so nothing to disprove. And assumptions that didn't pan out and then would get revised speak for themselves.

As for the questions, all of that has been covered before multiple times over, given that it all has been asked before. Going in circles is certainly the MO in threads of this nature, given that there's not much else to it all.

 

[Someguy333]

Ah, so the app is being closed wrong. Got it.

No, I just want to see if is closing fast too when the app is fully open. Still could be a bug and maybe we can report it to apple, this is why I asked for their model code.
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Not true, exists with the iPhone 8 as well.

Sorry, you right.

 

[KingslayerG5]

Let me reinforce, it’s not just the home button delay but the speed of animations which have slowed.

I’m not sure the extent to which they’ve slowed on iPhone 8 as well but there seems to be evidence that Apple has either set the timing of animations on each generation specifically via a global modifier or (deliberately) implemented them in a way in which the newer phones execute them faster.

Wish we could set the animations to 0.5x like on Android.

Is Planned Obsolescence A Myth?

 

[C DM]

Wish we could set the animations to 0.5x like on Android.

Is Planned Obsolescence A Myth?

Next we'll have a comparison of Windows 3.11 and Windows 8.

 

[I7guy]

No, I just want to see if is closing fast too when the app is fully open. Still could be a bug and maybe we can report it to apple, this is why I asked for their model code.
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Sorry, you right.

this seems to be a narrow use case of catching the animation at one spot and is not an issue as a general statement of fact; whether intentional, bug for everybody or bug for some.

 

[fisherking]

I had to slow down the video because you guys were refusing to acknowledge the delay existed in the first place. This clearly shows the delay. This shows iOS 10 has instant response and iOS 11 doesnt. Period.

yes, between TWO phones, not ALL phones. meanwhile...

http://thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2017/10/23/smartphones-slow-down/

 

[_Refurbished_]

You have said nothing which disproves my point that a delay has been introduced into the Button. If it’s unintentional where is the fix? Will it take a year?

I’m curious. Do you think the Reduce Motion input delay was on purpose? It took a year to fix. What’s your take on that issue?

 

[d5aqoëp]

The earlier assumption was it was done to make us buy iPhone 8 and X. But then we forgot to take into account the fact that the 8 is a filler phone which was made obsolete in just 1 month. That must be breaking some kind of record. Usually it’s one year.

I already said that iPhone 8 was a legacy device due to it's home button. Check my original first post of this topic. I did not even take iPhone 8 into account. Post is unedited by the way.

 

[Radon87000]

Apple's elaborate malicious conspiracy is to only affect one model of phones? That's some conspiracy.

The iPhone 6s and 6 owners are already upgrading anyway. Whats left are the 7 owners. There arent many 8 owners left based on what we have been hearing about production cuts and no stockouts on Day 1. Also you say Apple wont do it intentionally with iPhone 8 but Apple wants the iPhone X to sell the most. They cant have their most expensive gesture driven phone being shown up by a cheaper phone which is why this delay has been programmed into the OS and they gimped the solid state button by taking aways a key advantage.

Apple is a company with thousands of employees. Am I meant to believe not a single one of them has noticed this issue or brought it to the notice of their software team? Look at how many betas have gone buy. We are now starting with 11.2 two weeks later and they havent shown any signs of even reducing this delay.

Nothing about the reasons and anything related to that has been proven, so nothing to disprove. And assumptions that didn't pan out and then would get revised speak for themselves.

So you are saying this home button delay is unintentional?

yes, between TWO phones, not ALL phones. meanwhile...

http://thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2017/10/23/smartphones-slow-down/

Lets first check whether its a hardware or software issue. The issue is fixed when downgrading to iOS 10 which leaves us with software. Now what your poin t is, is that for some reason the software is performing differently with each phone and all iOS devices dont have this issue. If that were true, that would make the concept of benchmarking anything null and void as you can just keep saying " The benchmark is NOT UNIVERSAL. Its on YOUR device. MY iOS device has a much higher score.

This isnt magic. Its a clean install with stock apps removed and the barebones OS running. What's happening is that people arent noticing it or just refuse to notice it or just dont care. But the underlying reality remains. The delay exists on all devices

I completely disaree that PCs slow down over time. My Windows installation originated from Windows 7, has gone through Windows 8 and now Windows 10 Insider. My PC has become FASTER, not slower since Windows 7.

I’m curious. Do you think the Reduce Motion input delay was on purpose? It took a year to fix. What’s your take on that issue?

Its pretty convenient that performance of 1 generation old iPhone is lowered when a newer device is released. Customers upgrade their OS, there is a slowdown and when they visit the store, they are blown away by the performance of the newer devices.

If they take a year to fix it, it might as well not have been fixed because the average customer replaces his phone every 2 years and thats half the life span of the device wasted on dealing with this issue.

 

[fisherking]

Edited it. My bad.
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When you close an app which is a task all people do everyday, there is a delay present and if you open and after doing your work close the app and do this for 30 different apps that's 23 seconds lost and if its a delay of 0.25 thats 7.5 seconds lost.

when you add up all the time you've spent on this thread trying to prove you're right (and anyone who contradicts you is wrong), that demolishes the time you've lost with the alleged delay on your iphone. no matter how hard you (or i, for that matter) try, neither side seems convinced to change it's belief. so how long does this go on? what's the goal, since it's obvious no one's budging. you've already used years of 'home button delay' posting on this thread.

maybe time to let it go? let this thread die a deserved death?

 

[JM]

Me not buying Apple products isn’t gonna send any message to Apple. They will earn record profits with or without me.


There isn’t any phone on Android currently without it’s issues and the X’s Issues are unknown. I will take the unknown over the known. Also it will work with my Watch and iPad without any hassles.

I almost did buy the Pixel but the display just spooked me out. It’s not getting good reviews. If I don’t get the X preorder in I might reconsider playing the display lottery on this phone

Yeah, I know. heh. I'm surprised by all the Pixel issues.

 

[C DM]

The iPhone 6s and 6 owners are already upgrading anyway. Whats left are the 7 owners. There arent many 8 owners left based on what we have been hearing about production cuts and no stockouts on Day 1. Also you say Apple wont do it intentionally with iPhone 8 but Apple wants the iPhone X to sell the most. They cant have their most expensive gesture driven phone being shown up by a cheaper phone which is why this delay has been programmed into the OS and they gimped the solid state button by taking aways a key advantage.

Apple is a company with thousands of employees. Am I meant to believe not a single one of them has noticed this issue or brought it to the notice of their software team? Look at how many betas have gone buy. We are now starting with 11.2 two weeks later and they havent shown any signs of even reducing this delay.




So you are saying this home button delay is unintentional?



Lets first check whether its a hardware or software issue. The issue is fixed when downgrading to iOS 10 which leaves us with software. Now what your poin t is, is that for some reason the software is performing differently with each phone and all iOS devices dont have this issue. If that were true, that would make the concept of benchmarking anything null and void as you can just keep saying " The benchmark is NOT UNIVERSAL. Its on YOUR device. MY iOS device has a much higher score.

This isnt magic. Its a clean install with stock apps removed and the barebones OS running. What's happening is that people arent noticing it or just refuse to notice it or just dont care. But the underlying reality remains. The delay exists on all devices

I completely disaree that PCs slow down over time. My Windows installation originated from Windows 7, has gone through Windows 8 and now Windows 10 Insider. My PC has become FASTER, not slower since Windows 7.




Its pretty convenient that performance of 1 generation old iPhone is lowered when a newer device is released. Customers upgrade their OS, there is a slowdown and when they visit the store, they are blown away by the performance of the newer devices.

If they take a year to fix it, it might as well not have been fixed because the average customer replaces his phone every 2 years and thats half the life span of the device wasted on dealing with this issue.

The continued spin going in circles has gotten beyond dizzying.

 

[Radon87000]

when you add up all the time you've spent on this thread trying to prove you're right (and anyone who contradicts you is wrong), that demolishes the time you've lost with the alleged delay on your iphone. no matter how hard you (or i, for that matter) try, neither side seems convinced to change it's belief. so how long does this go on? what's the goal, since it's obvious no one's budging. you've already used years of 'home button delay' posting on this thread.

maybe time to let it go? let this thread die a deserved death?

The thread will stay alive until the home button issue is fixed or Apple discontinues the home button phones next year, whichever is earlier.

 

[I7guy]

The thread will stay alive until the home button issue is fixed or Apple discontinues the home button phones next year, whichever is earlier.

Or it’s closed by the mods for various infractions of https://macrumors.zendesk.com/hc/en...Rules-for-Appropriate-Debate?mobile_site=true
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The iPhone 6s and 6 owners are already upgrading anyway. Whats left are the 7 owners. There arent many 8 owners left based on what we have been hearing about production cuts and no stockouts on Day 1.

Only Apple knows what is sold, not sold or who upgraded or who didn’t.

Apple is a company with thousands of employees. Am I meant to believe not a single one of them has noticed this issue or brought it to the notice of their software team? Look at how many betas have gone buy. We are now starting with 11.2 two weeks later and they havent shown any signs of even reducing this delay.

My phones don’t have a delay.

The issue is fixed when downgrading to iOS 10 which leaves us with software.

Not everybody experiences this “issue”.

This isnt magic. Its a clean install with stock apps removed and the barebones OS running. What's happening is that people arent noticing it or just refuse to notice it or just dont care. But the underlying reality remains. The delay exists on all devices

You keep saying it exists in all devices, no it doesn’t. I tried to find a delay but could see any on three model of iphones.

I completely disaree that PCs slow down over time. My Windows installation originated from Windows 7, has gone through Windows 8 and now Windows 10 Insider. My PC has become FASTER, not slower since Windows 7.

Agree to disagree. Windows does bog down over time.

Its pretty convenient that performance of 1 generation old iPhone is lowered when a newer device is released. Customers upgrade their OS, there is a slowdown and when they visit the store, they are blown away by the performance of the newer devices.

My 4 yeAr old 5s has not slowed down. In fact I can get work done faster in iOS 11 than iOS 10.

If they take a year to fix it, it might as well not have been fixed because the average customer replaces his phone every 2 years and thats half the life span of the device wasted on dealing with this issue.

My guess the average customer does not have an issue.