There is probably some variance here and there(on the worse side) because of version number difference. But it's greater than 0.7 at the very least and even if you find it to be 0.25 it's still bad because if you open 30 apps during the day that's 7 seconds lost.
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Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions
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Wrong. If you open and then use the home button to cancel the app it’s 7seconds lost. How many people really do that so by the end of the month an entire 3 minutes is lost. You’ve lost your own case.
I don't open apps to immediately close them. No one does that. People close their apps using the home button and it's there where the lag is present.
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I open an app by pressing on the screen or task switcher. I’m not sure how you open your apps
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When you close an app which is a task all people do everyday, there is a delay present and if you open and after doing your work close the app and do this for 30 different apps that's 23 seconds lost and if its a delay of 0.25 thats 7.5 seconds lost.
Your “5 seconds” is more than offset by various efficiencies, such as very fast inertia scrolling in iOS 11.
So it’s more than a wash by your standards.
Stop moving the goalposts and introducing an unrelated third factor into the equation. Lets get right down to the conclusion of this matter. iOS 11 has input lag with the home button and the close animation of iOS 11 starts as soon as the iOS 10 animation completes. In other words home button delay exists and has been proven.
The only thing there’s any proof of here is that Apple has unified the home button response among all devices. Your continual contention that it’s planned obsolescence made to force people to upgrade doesn’t stack up for a number of reasons we’ve covered time and time again.
- It does not apply to any phone prior to the 7. They click at the same speed as always. How does that force them to upgrade? How is that planned obsolescence?
- It does apply to the newly released iPhone 8. Your contention is that Apple want or expect people who just bought an iPhone 8 to buy an X a month later, because of the response of the home button. I shouldn’t have to point out that this doesn’t make any sense.
There really is no point retreading this continually, goalposts ever shifting. Apple unified the home button response so that it is the same on devices with a capacitive home button, as it is on devices with a physical home button. No-one ever cried about this intentional, fractional delay on any device on any version of iOS, before this change because it is irrelevant.
No goalpost moving, I’m using your “standards” of a “lost 5 seconds in a day” to prove the “5 seconds” is more than offset by gains in productivity. Basically al this nonsense over .5 seconds per hour over a 12 hour period. Some would say this is hyperbole; way over the top.
It was said because you guys are not giving this bug/planned bug the seriousness it deserves. It has a big impact on how the device feels. IT feels sluggish to me. Thats unacceptable for flagship phones like this. Even budget Android phones have instant home button response.
It doesn't seem to be greater than (or even close to) 0.7 even going by some examples you posted.
As for adding up over the day, that's not how things affect us. Over a period of a day having a few 0.25 "delays" in some minor actions spread out over all that time doesn't have a meaningful effect on anything really. Even adding up that effect--which again is now how to works in terms of effect on people--7 seconds is also not a meaningful time over a period of 86,400 seconds. The hyperbole isn't really needed in any of this.
Why did they fix something which wasnt broken? Why was it unified? This was an advantage of the solid state button according to you and it has now been downgraded. And this is not how buttons are supposed to work. When I switch off my TV, it turns off instantly,when I double click anything, it opens instantly, when I lock the phone ,it doesnt lock after a delay. This must be the only button on a consumer electronic on the planet which responds with a delay.
And that's all good and fine. It's ultimately about how it's perceived by someone. The likelihood is that it's not really even perceived by most typical users. It's not to say it's not there and not perceived by some, but is it to say that something like that more than likely factors into how much of an "issue" it would seem to be.
According to me? Where?
The iphone, as long as the double click has been a thing, has always waited to check to see if a double click occurs until the iPhone 7 on iOS 10. Where was the faux outrage before?
And similar delays were argued back and forth in early iOS 10 days only for them not to turn out to be some sort of s conspiracy and get ironed out, to the point that iOS 10.3.3 is praised as example of perfection.
Because to some this is not “serious” and “proven” nor to some does it even have an impact at all. If this is not acceptable to you, not much you can do about it.
I found a couple threads that are now empty on this. Are most of you still experiencing that half second or so delay when hitting the home button? I was disappointed to see that 11.0.3 didn’t resolve that. It gives the false sense of lag, which is really annoying.
Yes. We are having a discussion on this in the mega thread
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...g-delay-with-home-button-interactions.2067278
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...g-delay-with-home-button-interactions.2067278
WOW, 37 pages, for a problem that should not be caught in attention by so many people. If you ask me do I notice that delay, I would answer “yes”. But does that matter? I would say “no”. And 1s? Not much of a big deal for my day to day use.
Also, if this is how Apple does to convince people to buy a new phone, then I would argue those people are way Too OCD than ever. Regarding the iPhone X, since it does not have a home button of any form whatsoever, I doubt Apple will eliminate that delay just because of that. Keep in mind that gesture is more prone to error than a single click. There will be people whining why removing home button completely and keep mis-triggering functions they don’t need at that point.
We will see.
Also, if this is how Apple does to convince people to buy a new phone, then I would argue those people are way Too OCD than ever. Regarding the iPhone X, since it does not have a home button of any form whatsoever, I doubt Apple will eliminate that delay just because of that. Keep in mind that gesture is more prone to error than a single click. There will be people whining why removing home button completely and keep mis-triggering functions they don’t need at that point.
We will see.
The issue isn't about wanting to save time to do other things later. It is about the user experience while using the device.
So what's the point of people pointing out how it all adds up to something like 7 seconds over a period of day?
And the user experience of the home button is exactly as it was for all other iPhones and iPads for all other versions of iOS since multtasking was introduced, with the exception of the iPhone 7 for one year on iOS 10. No-one complained that it was an issue for all those years on all those hundreds of millions of devices yet now that the iPhone 7 and 8 act the same way as everything else it’s somehow a horrible experience/unusable/planned obsolescence/any of the other histrionics applied to this non-issue.
I don't think it's horrible or unusable. I just disagree with them switching it back because it feels better to me on iOS 10 on my 7. I don't think it's necessarily planned obsolescence either. Just a dumb design decision to change it back. At this point I highly doubt they will change it back. And there won't be many more years with iPhones that have home buttons so it doesn't really matter anyways. iOS 10 on the iPhone 7/7+ will always be reguarded as the fastest responding iOS version for the capacitive home button iPhones. And I will stay there. No point in updating to lose any responsiveness from my iPhone no matter how small.
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