Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

[MEJHarrison]

There are somethings which are not expressly said but implied. For example, when you scroll down the list of apps in cellular settings, the list stutters and this list has been stuttering since iOS 9. Its been 2 releases and its never been fixed. This proves Apple is not interested in fixing it.

That's not proof. That you ingesting some information, drawing your own conclusions and labeling it as "proof".

In fact, I was in your exact scenario a little while back. A bug was introduced in iOS 8 or perhaps 7. I don't believe it was fixed until iOS 10. And a late version at that (10.3?). When I reported the issue a few years ago, my ticket was closed as a duplicate. So Apple was aware of the bug, yet it still took years to fix. I can't say why it took years to fix, though I have a number of perfectly valid guesses. But I also can't take their lack of action and extrapolate that into "proof" of anything except they'll fix things when they fix things.

I don't get it. I've been following your ramblings on here for a few years. I honestly can't say I agree with most of what you post. Yet by all appearances, you appear to be a reasonably intelligent person. Intelligent enough that I'm rather shocked you don't get the difference between "guessing" and "proof". Intelligent to the point that I have a hard time believing you truly don't understand the difference. Maybe I'm giving you more credit than I ought to be. Or perhaps you're being deliberately obtuse for some unknown reason. Anyway, just tossing that out there. If there's more to your ignorance on the topic than you're letting on, I'd love to know the reason.

 

[fisherking]

There are somethings which are not expressly said but implied. For example, when you scroll down the list of apps in cellular settings, the list stutters and this list has been stuttering since iOS 9. Its been 2 releases and its never been fixed. This proves Apple is not interested in fixing it. You are not going to hear Apple come out and expressly say the home button delay wont ber fixed. Its communicated through the releases


This is easy to prove. This may seem like malice to us customers but it makes perfect sense from Apple's viewpoint. The majority of newer iPhones are bought when trhe phone is being hyped and people are reading about it in reviews everywhere. If you will observe the trend of all iOS releases in the past, older devices are slowed down but as future versions are released things improve, but the performance improves only once the maximum sales in the release quarter are realised and towards the tail end of the year.

Apple wants everyone to buy the X. Its their true flagship. Therefore they simply slowed the 7 down a little so that when customers play with an iPhone X or an Android phone (Apple won't like this one) they will realise just how much faster and more responsive it is. The counterpoint here is why would Apple release the 8? Apple can't make enough of the X to sell them which is where the 8 comes in but Apple knows that the X is still going to end up cannibalising the 8 and those who buy the X are in far greater numbers than the 8 and they would still prefer it if the customer orders a X and waits till January/Feb to get it instead of getting the 8 as it means higher margins. But Apple didnt want to take a risk here that those with the older phones and who cant get the X this year because of delays have nothing to look forward to this year which is why the 8 was released but Apple still slowed down the button of the 8 because they are dangling the ultra fast X in front of those owners so they get the the X at its higher price next year.

iPhone 7 enjoyed the luxury of being the flagship phone for a year which is why Apple gave it the love it deserved in the form of an ultra fast home button. The 8 is the middle step child no one wants sadly and will fade into irrelevance like the 5c once X releases

something implied is not the same as something proven. you're 'implying' things, telling us what apple's viewpoint is, what apple wants... all your opinions. you've PROVED nothing... except that, like everyone else, you have an opinion... which some share, and many others don't.
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So let us say this issue isn't fixed till iOS 11.3.3. You will still say it's unintentional?

if they fix it, that proves that there was a problem (at least, for some), and that... they fixed it. that doesn't in any way prove that the problem was created intentionally (i still don't see how that doesn't sound... paranoid? or absurd... but am not going to change your mind).

if you want to prove intent, you need... proof; for the hundredth time...

 

[_Refurbished_]

I am OCD about these things. The display and performance. I have the money but don't have the patience to deal with it. If X is the only way to solve the home button lag I will get it. I can even tolerate stuttering and battery drain somewhat. But I cannot tolerate input lag.

Why not just use Reduce Motion? If input lag bothers you so much, there is a solution that already exists.

 

[Radon87000]

Why not just use Reduce Motion? If input lag bothers you so much, there is a solution that already exists.

The app switcher is unusable with Reduce Motion on. I am just trading one problem for another even if that fixes it.

 

[Radon87000]

something implied is not the same as something proven. you're 'implying' things, telling us what apple's viewpoint is, what apple wants... all your opinions. you've PROVED nothing... except that, like everyone else, you have an opinion... which some share, and many others don't.
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if they fix it, that proves that there was a problem (at least, for some), and that... they fixed it. that doesn't in any way prove that the problem was created intentionally (i still don't see how that doesn't sound... paranoid? or absurd... but am not going to change your mind).

if you want to prove intent, you need... proof; for the hundredth time...

So you want Apple to come out and expressly state they won’t fix it and it’s on purpose? Is that the only proof you accept?

 

[C DM]

The app switcher is unusable with Reduce Motion on.

Works somewhat differently, but perfectly usable. Now, someone personally might not like how it works, sure, but that's different.

 

[Radon87000]

Works somewhat differently, but perfectly usable. Now, someone personally might not like how it works, sure, but that's different.

Try it out right now and tell me how it’s usable. You need to swipe 3 times just to get past the first 3 apps.

 

[C DM]

Try it out right now and tell me how it’s usable. You need to swipe 3 times just to get past the first 3 apps.

I use it all the time essentially as I have Reduce Motion enabled most of the time since pretty much iOS 7 days.

 

[Radon87000]

I use it all the time essentially as I have Reduce Motion enabled most of the time since pretty much iOS 7 days.

Then try it with reduce motion off and then use it with it set on. It’s not different. It’s tedious. To get to the middle of the app switcher you will need to constantly swipe 7-8 times.

 

[C DM]

Then try it with reduce motion off and then use it with it set on. It’s not different. It’s tedious. To get to the middle of the app switcher you will need to constantly swipe 7-8 times.

It's different. Like I said, you might find it tedious and/or might not like it, but it doesn't make it unusable as far as the feature goes for people in general.

Oh, and look what people are saying about a very similar type of thing when it comes to iPhone X: iPhone X App Switcher

 

[fisherking]

So you want Apple to come out and expressly state they won’t fix it and it’s on purpose? Is that the only proof you accept?

what would you consider absolute proof? your opinion? 15 people in agreement on this forum? if you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you, and this seems unprovable (yet that doesn't seem to stop some people here from insisting that their theory is in fact... a fact). it's ridiculous. facts need to be proved, and, if you can't prove it, admit that you're theorizing. how simple is that?

 

[Radon87000]

what would you consider absolute proof? your opinion? 15 people in agreement on this forum? if you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you, and this seems unprovable (yet that doesn't seem to stop some people here from insisting that their theory is in fact... a fact). it's ridiculous. facts need to be proved, and, if you can't prove it, admit that you're theorizing. how simple is that?

If something is changed in a release for worse and it’s not fixed for months on end and years in some cases despite submitting feedback multiple times and the change is plainly visible, yes it’s intentional.

Why is feedback being ignored for months on end?

 

[fisherking]

If something is changed in a release for worse and it’s not fixed for months on end and years in some cases despite submitting feedback multiple times and the change is plainly visible, yes it’s intentional.

Why is feedback being ignored for months on end?

changed for some, which suggests that there's an issue that needs to be resolved. and is it possible that the change you're seeing is a result of coding, or the difference between different phone models, or... something else? for the 100th time, you have no PROOF that it's an intentional issue. and, like most conspiracy theorists, you keep ignoring the people who, quite possibly just as intelligent, or tech-minded as you, insist they're not having this problem. like me...

 

[C DM]

If something is changed in a release for worse and it’s not fixed for months on end and years in some cases despite submitting feedback multiple times and the change is plainly visible, yes it’s intentional.

Why is feedback being ignored for months on end?

Did you intentionally throw a piece of paper from the trash on the ground in the example I provided earlier and will repost below again?


Let's say you are taking out some trash and as you are outside a small piece of paper falls out of the trash and lands by the side. Now, does whether or not you pick up that piece of paper at all (and whether or not you even notice it right away or not) say, let alone prove, anything about your intent in relation as to why that piece of paper is there?

The only thing that could say something about any intent on your part would be how that piece of paper actually got to be there, not whether or not you notice it, or whether or not you pick it up, or even how soon you pick it up, if you do pick it up.

 

[Radon87000]

Did you intentionally throw a piece of paper from the trash on the ground in the example I provided earlier and will repost below again?


Let's say you are taking out some trash and as you are outside a small piece of paper falls out of the trash and lands by the side. Now, does whether or not you pick up that piece of paper at all (and whether or not you even notice it right away or not) say, let alone prove, anything about your intent in relation as to why that piece of paper is there?

The only thing that could say something about any intent on your part would be how that piece of paper actually got to be there, not whether or not you notice it, or whether or not you pick it up, or even how soon you pick it up, if you do pick it up.

So let me ask you this. If I ask someone to do something and they ignore what I say and do everything in the world except what I told them to do does that make it intentional?

 

[C DM]

So let me ask you this. If I ask someone to do something and they ignore what I say does that make it intentional?

That depends on how we can tell what your intent was in regards to the piece of paper when it fell out of the trash that was being taken out.

 

[Radon87000]

changed for some, which suggests that there's an issue that needs to be resolved. and is it possible that the change you're seeing is a result of coding, or the difference between different phone models, or... something else? for the 100th time, you have no PROOF that it's an intentional issue. and, like most conspiracy theorists, you keep ignoring the people who, quite possibly just as intelligent, or tech-minded as you, insist they're not having this problem. like me...

So then why is the feedback being consistently ignored? How many months is this going to take? And if they are not going to do anything about it why aren’t they closing my feedback entry? How many times should I keep submitting the same thing again and again?

They are ignoring it and not doing anything. This is intentional.

 

[C DM]

So then why is the feedback being consistently ignored? How many months is this going to take? And if they are not going to do anything about it why aren’t they closing my feedback entry? How many times should I keep submitting the same thing again and again?

They are ignoring it and not doing anything. This is intentional.

So you are saying that by leaving that piece of paper that fell out from the trash on the ground we then know that you originally intentionally took it out of the trash and threw it on the ground?

 

[Radon87000]

So you are saying that by leaving that piece of paper that fell out from the trash on the ground we then know that you originally intentionally took it out of the trash and threw it on the ground?

Let me reframe your example. I was taking out the trash and a piece of paper fell on the ground. You then come to me and tell me that paper is lying there. I look at that paper then whilst leaving you standing in the porch, I set about doing my business in the house and act as if you don’t exist. You keep knocking the door but I ignore you. What does that say?

 

[Feenician]

Let me reframe your example. I was taking out the trash and a piece of paper fell on the ground. You then come to me and tell me that paper is lying there. I look at that paper then whilst leaving you standing in the porch, I set about doing my business in the house and act as if you don’t exist. What does that say?

It says you’re a) not good at an analogies and b) even if you where they generally break down horribly anyway. Try a car analogy. Those are always fun, informant and relevant.


Edit: and before you tell me you never started the analogy and go on for several paragraphs about “lag” that isn’t lag, please save it.

 

[C DM]

Let me reframe your example. I was taking out the trash and a piece of paper fell on the ground. You then come to me and tell me that paper is lying there. I look at that paper then whilst leaving you standing in the porch, I set about doing my business in the house and act as if you don’t exist. What does that say?

So what does that say about your original intent about that paper when it originally fell out? Does it say anything at all about that?

We are after all taking about the original intent of why something is there to begin with.

 

[Radon87000]

So what does that say about your original intent about that paper when it originally fell out? Does it say anything at all about that?

We are after all taking about the original intent of why something is there to begin with.

If my original intention was not to litter the ground and it was a pure accident on my part, I would thank you, go to the spot and pick up the paper and rectify my mistake. If I intentionally wanted to litter the ground, I would simply shut the door in your face.

 

[-BigMac-]

there is no "it works fine for me" the delay is present on every single phone. if u wanna see it you'll need an iphone 7 running any version of ios 10 to compare the delay between ios 10 and 11

If you are so fixated about it, then downgrade back to ios10. Who cares man

 

[Radon87000]

If you are so fixated about it, then downgrade back to ios10. Who cares man

You can’t downgrade to iOS 10 otherwise this thread wouldn’t exist in the first place.

 

[-BigMac-]

You can’t downgrade to iOS 10 otherwise this thread wouldn’t exist in the first place.

Depends which phone youre on. OP has a 7+