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scjr

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Well I couldnt be more satisfied with my iPad Pro 12.9. ProMotion display and all its hands down the best iDevice I own currently so I think the X will be excellent as well. I am always blown away by flagship Apple hardware on launch day. Its amazing how smooth and battery efficient Apple can make iOS if they set their mind to it. The iPhone 8 Plus is getting 14 hours of battery life. 14 hours. There is one screenshot showing a guy using his phone for 6 hours straight with 6 hours idle time and its still on 80%. My 7 Plus was like that on IOS 10. It no longer is. Apple devices are meant to be used on the iOS they ship with.
I hear you. You want perfect. Just that nothing is perfect. It will be fixed, like iOS 10 was fixed.

Just so you know, I report all animation glitches. Like you, I want them fixed.
 
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Radon87000

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But if you didn't pick it up right away or for a long time or even ever, does that change the fact that it was an accident? It doesn't.

You say that the follow up behavior can indicate that it wasn't an accident, yet it in fact was since we established that as a given in the example, so your supposition, while it might be one that makes sense, can in fact be false nonetheless. Therefore there is no proof that could be had based on later actions, only theories and suppositions. Once again, that is the point.
Because you dont know if I dropped it intentionally from the beginning. We can't read Apple's mind here. We can only judge their intentions based on subsequent actions which act as evidence for the intentioons we are judging
 

C DM

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Because you dont know if I dropped it intentionally from the beginning. We can't read Apple's mind here. We can only judge their intentions based on subsequent actions which act as evidence for the intentioons we are judging
And there you perfectly described what a supposition or a theory would be. You would come up with it based on what information you have and on the ideas/biases/context that you would assign it all. But, once again, while it all might be a good theory, it doesn't make it proof.

Using your logic if you didn't pick up the paper after being told about it it would be proof that originally you intended for it to fall out from the trash. But that isn't the case since we know in our example it fell out accidentally and there was no intention on your part originally. Proofs can't work sometimes and not other times, they either always work or they aren't proofs.
 

fisherking

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And there you perfectly described what a supposition or a theory would be. You would come up with it based on what information you have and on the ideas/biases/context that you would assign it all. But, once again, while it all might be a good theory, it doesn't make it proof.

this.
 

m4a

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I am an apple fan, huge fan. I own an iPhone, Macbook, iPad and a bunch of Apple accessories. But I can't possibly understand how one would say that home button lag is ok and it doesn't make a big difference. It is unacceptable that a brand new phone (iPhone 8) works slower than a year old phone. What's even worse is that Apple haven't fixed it in any of the updates that we have received. And it doesnt seem to be fixed in any of the iOS 11.1 Beta updates.
 

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I am an apple fan, huge fan. I own an iPhone, Macbook, iPad and a bunch of Apple accessories. But I can't possibly understand how one would say that home button lag is ok and it doesn't make a big difference. It is unacceptable that a brand new phone (iPhone 8) works slower than a year old phone. What's even worse is that Apple haven't fixed it in any of the updates that we have received. And it doesnt seem to be fixed in any of the iOS 11.1 Beta updates.

Just because fractions of a second matter to you doesn’t mean they matter to someone else.

Apps close plenty fast when pressing the home button on my 7+ and on the many, many times I’ve played with the 8+ (two family members have the 8+)
 

m4a

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Just because fractions of a second matter to you doesn’t mean they matter to someone else.

Apps close plenty fast when pressing the home button on my 7+ and on the many, many times I’ve played with the 8+ (two family members have the 8+)
Did you see this comparison?
https://streamable.com/6s01k

it is a big difference if you are coming from the device on left.
 

m4a

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I don’t need a video. I have personal hands on experience, and lots of it.
Yes me too, I own an iPhone 8. And if you refuse to see the comparison then thats the end of the argument. I used to be as blind as you when looking at Apple products. Thats ok.
 

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Yes me too, I own an iPhone 8. And if you refuse to see the comparison then thats the end of the argument. I used to be as blind as you when looking at Apple products. Thats ok.

I’m not being blind. I like how you go to insults if someone doesn’t share the same experience as you do. I have had both in hand (7+ and 8+) for my own real world comparison.

As I said before, your experience doesn’t mean it’s the same experience as the next person.
 

m4a

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I’m not being blind. I like how you go to insults if someone doesn’t share the same experience as you do. I have had both in hand (7+ and 8+) for my own real world comparison.

As I said before, your experience doesn’t mean it’s the same experience as the next person.

I guess you got very lucky then, because from the 4 iPhone 8's that I have touched and about 30 that I have seen on the videos, none of them had iPhone 7 iOS 10.3.3 app closing speed. It's clearly an iOS 11 issue.
 

Radon87000

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I guess you got very lucky then, because from the 4 iPhone 8's that I have touched and about 30 that I have seen on the videos, none of them had iPhone 7 iOS 10.3.3 app closing speed. It's clearly an iOS 11 issue.
They all have it no matter how hard people try to apologise and deny it. All the 7s I have used at my work and in the real world outside show this delay. It's there on all phones. The only difference is some notice it, some don't and some refuse to notice it.
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But if you didn't pick it up right away or for a long time or even ever, does that change the fact that it was an accident? It doesn't.
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You do not answer this question. How on earth can you possibly know it was an accident. For all you know I made it appear as if it was an accident when it was my intention to litter the street
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Did you see this comparison?
https://streamable.com/6s01k

it is a big difference if you are coming from the device on left.
One more thing. If you have upgraded all your devices to iOS 11, you may even get used to the delay after a few days and you may not even notice it. But once you use an iOS 10 or an Android device, it hits you back in the face again.
 
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d5aqoëp

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I don’t need a video. I have personal hands on experience, and lots of it.
There is a clear evidence video. Yet you are dismissing it without viewing it. So then why comment in the first place? lol

Mods should make a note of this.
 

scjr

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Did you see this comparison?
https://streamable.com/6s01k

it is a big difference if you are coming from the device on left.
It’s not a big difference to many and certainly not enough of a difference or something that will impact the use of the phone. These test videos are flawed as well. Too much human error involved, when trying to press the home button simultaneously.

It boils down to this: If you’re hyper-sensitive to animation changes, you’ll notice the change. If not, you won’t care and grade the entire experience you’re having with iOS 11. Does everyone here want a perfectly smooth experience? Yes. Is that theoretically possible? No. You’re dealing with too many variables. Best advice is, don’t sweat the little things. Enjoy your phone, which in the end is a tool to make your life a little easier.
 
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m4a

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It’s not a big difference to many and certainly not enough of a difference or something that will impact the use of the phone. These test videos are flawed as well. Too much human error involved, when trying to press the home button simultaneously.

It boils down to this: If you’re hyper-sensitive to animation changes, you’ll notice the change. If not, you won’t care and grade the entire experience you’re having with iOS 11. Does everyone here want a perfectly smooth experience? Yes. Is that theoretically possible? No. You’re dealing with too many variables. Best advice is, don’t sweat the little things. Enjoy your phone, which in the end is a tool to make your life a little easier.

Maybe it's just my inner OCD, but I see these things and they bother me. Like this weird animation glitch that I notice couple times a day:
https://streamable.com/t7dc1


I don't think that's being hyper sensitive, I just notice them because they were not there before. I've always had a pretty smooth experience with iPhone 5s and 6s.
 

I7guy

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Maybe it's just my inner OCD, but I see these things and they bother me. Like this weird animation glitch that I notice couple times a day:
https://streamable.com/t7dc1


I don't think that's being hyper sensitive, I just notice them because they were not there before. I've always had a pretty smooth experience with iPhone 5s and 6s.
That’s definitely not happening on my 6s.
 
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m4a

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that's the entire frustration of these videos being touted as reasoning that Apple is DELIBERATELY doing anything....this is your issue (and others here). there's no conspiracy. this bugs YOU and isn't a wide issue to the majority.
I never said that Apple is "DELIBERATELY doing anything". That is true that majority don't pay attention to detail. Thats why a lot of people buy cheap smartphones and claim that they are as smooth as iPhone. I buy Apple products because Apple pays attention to detail. But recently there are more and more bugs showing up to both - iPhone and my Mac. I hope they get sorted though.

EDIT: btw, did you see the last video I added? Would you consider that as a bug or should I just not care about these little things?
 

Jayderek

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I never said that Apple is "DELIBERATELY doing anything". That is true that majority don't pay attention to detail. Thats why a lot of people buy cheap smartphones and claim that they are as smooth as iPhone. I buy Apple products because Apple pays attention to detail. But recently there are more and more bugs showing up to both - iPhone and my Mac. I hope they get sorted though.

that's the entire supposition of this crazy thread though!

It sucks that you notice it and it's frustrating for you. I honestly DO hope it gets better for you all. I think the rest of us are just tired that it's some sort of conspiracy on Apple's part when it's no such thing.

I pay attention to detail as well, but if I concentrated on milliseconds? holy hell, each and every day would be a nightmare for me dealing with ANY sort of electronics.
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EDIT: btw, did you see the last video I added? Would you consider that as a bug or should I just not care about these little things?

your last link isn't even working
 
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C DM

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You do not answer this question. How on earth can you possibly know it was an accident. For all you know I made it appear as if it was an accident when it was my intention to litter the street
Because I created the example and provided the known given facts in it, one of the main ones being that the paper fell out on its own.

That was the whole point behind the example, to demonstrate how a supposition can look like it makes sense but not actually reflect reality, and therefore can't be actual proof (since proof would have to hold up to the facts).
 

Jayderek

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Well it is working for me, uploaded to youtube for those who streamable link isnt working.

what's supposed to be happening here? that little 'hitch' when 3D pressing?

I just tried on all my apps and I'm not getting that at all. Sorry. Hope it's fixed for you....but honestly...if that little thing is causing you grief for more than literally a second compared to the rest of your day I really don't know what to say here without sounding really mean.
 

m4a

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what's supposed to be happening here? that little 'hitch' when 3D pressing?

I just tried on all my apps and I'm not getting that at all. Sorry. Hope it's fixed for you....but honestly...if that little thing is causing you grief for more than literally a second compared to the rest of your day I really don't know what to say here without sounding really mean.
You really don't see that icon with buttons is jumping around after pressing 3D touch? Really? Or is it ok that buttons can just jump 10px in each direction and that suppose to be normal?
 
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