Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

[cynics]

Countless times in this forum, you just brush off issues. Constantly coming around to say that it's not a big deal isn't helping anyone. It's not a big deal to you, but when Apple takes away features or slows our devices down... or severely nerfs the calculator... THE FRIGGIN CALCULATOR... some of us actually care. They may seem small or insignificant to you, but I shouldn't be afraid to update my iPhone in fear that it will break things that functioned perfectly before.

I think @C DM (and myself) are just less critical plus if he is anything like me enjoys playing devils advocate. And then on top of that people easily take what we say and make it seem like we're trying to be apologist. Sometimes typing a response around here is like walking on eggshells with all the Apple haters.

The calc.app is a good example. Apple employees have said they know its a problem and its being addressed (albeit maybe not to 11.1.x). However if I told the truth that equations I can type too fast (1-2 digits) I can solve in my head without the aid of a calc then I would be labeled as an apple apologist or fanboy. Seriously, 1 + 1 + 1 = ?!? Whatever will I do without being able to know the answer to that very complicated mathematical equation?!!?

So our options are to moan, groan complain and whine, or find a way to deal with it from just waiting until its fix and typing into the calc slower or a 3rd party app or just ask Siri or etc etc....

Clearly this is a problem and clearly it needs to be addressed and it does look very bad on Apples behalf but its not the end of the world. However I refuse to make a bug in the iPhones calc app a significant part of my life (although I kind of am right now lol).

 

[Jayson A]

I think @C DM (and myself) are just less critical plus if he is anything like me enjoys playing devils advocate. And then on top of that people easily take what we say and make it seem like we're trying to be apologist. Sometimes typing a response around here is like walking on eggshells with all the Apple haters.

The calc.app is a good example. Apple employees have said they know its a problem and its being addressed (albeit maybe not to 11.1.x). However if I told the truth that equations I can type too fast (1-2 digits) I can solve in my head without the aid of a calc then I would be labeled as an apple apologist or fanboy. Seriously, 1 + 1 + 1 = ?!? Whatever will I do without being able to know the answer to that very complicated mathematical equation?!!?

So our options are to moan, groan complain and whine, or find a way to deal with it from just waiting until its fix and typing into the calc slower or a 3rd party app or just ask Siri or etc etc....

Clearly this is a problem and clearly it needs to be addressed and it does look very bad on Apples behalf but its not the end of the world. However I refuse to make a bug in the iPhones calc app a significant part of my life (although I kind of am right now lol).

It's not about 1+1+1. That was just used as an example to show the input blocking function of the new calculator app. In my opinion, it's very, VERY important to have an app that is designed to do math equations work correctly because math NEEDS to be accurate. Twist it any way you want. Would you accept a camera app that sometimes didn't take a photo when you pressed the shutter button?... missing a potentially great shot that you only had 1 opportunity to get?

My point is... a lot of people rely on the calculator app and I'm sure people are doing different equations than 1+1+1. I tried typing as fast as I humanly could in 10.3.3 and it was accurate every time. There's absolutely NO excuse for it to work any differently in iOS 11. Plus, people have been reporting the bug since beta 1 and they still haven't addressed it.

 

[cynics]

It's not about 1+1+1. That was just used as an example to show the input blocking function of the new calculator app. In my opinion, it's very, VERY important to have an app that is designed to do math equations work correctly because math NEEDS to be accurate. Twist it any way you want. Would you accept a camera app that sometimes didn't take a photo when you pressed the shutter button?... missing a potentially great shot that you only had 1 opportunity to get?

My point is... a lot of people rely on the calculator app and I'm sure people are doing different equations than 1+1+1. I tried typing as fast as I humanly could in 10.3.3 and it was accurate every time. There's absolutely NO excuse for it to work any differently in iOS 11. Plus, people have been reporting the bug since beta 1 and they still haven't addressed it.

Trust I get what you are saying. And I agree. An otherwise faulty calculator app is pretty much inexcusable. A few people have reported the alarm not working. Between the two you can lose your job, lol.

However I'm very confident those things aren't anything Apple did intentionally. There just isn't any logic in it, it only hurts them.

I'm not trying to "twist" anything (sheesh I see what @C DM is on about lol) either. And no I wouldn't be particularly happy if the camera app was borked. I would like to think I would just download a 3rd party app until it was fixed. Since I use the camera a lot I would likely be fairly upset however I wouldn't take to the streets with a pitchfork and torch.

All I see is venting here mostly due in part from people getting worked up over matters that trivial. I'm not saying an unreliable calculator is a trivial problem but once the problem is known it should be. "Doc, it hurts when I do this", patient. "Dont do that", doctor sort of thing.

 

[Radon87000]

It's always interesting how much of a spin gets put on the words of someone if they don't simply blindly bash Apple and agree with those who do.

I'm simply talking about not recalling the speed of the non-mechanical home button being some sort of a selling point, let alone a major one that most consumers even knew about.

And suddenly in that all of this comes out about what my supposed biases are. Only revealing your own biases in all of that. Nothing about the discussion itself but just twisting of my words to show something that fits some else's narrative. I guess when things get desperate they shift into ad hominem arguments. Unfortunately not surprising.

Ah so because SOME customers dont notice it, its a green signal for Apple to take away a major advnatge of the solid state button? Might as well underclock the A11 Bionic by 25% in an update. I am sure no one will notice a difference,which makes it okay.

 

[d5aqoëp]

Trust I get what you are saying. And I agree. An otherwise faulty calculator app is pretty much inexcusable. A few people have reported the alarm not working. Between the two you can lose your job, lol.

However I'm very confident those things aren't anything Apple did intentionally. There just isn't any logic in it, it only hurts them.

I'm not trying to "twist" anything (sheesh I see what @C DM is on about lol) either. And no I wouldn't be particularly happy if the camera app was borked. I would like to think I would just download a 3rd party app until it was fixed. Since I use the camera a lot I would likely be fairly upset however I wouldn't take to the streets with a pitchfork and torch.

All I see is venting here mostly due in part from people getting worked up over matters that trivial. I'm not saying an unreliable calculator is a trivial problem but once the problem is known it should be. "Doc, it hurts when I do this", patient. "Dont do that", doctor sort of thing.

This topic is about purposely slowed down Home Button. The calculator app bug should be fixed now that Apple has acknowledged it. Home button lag/delay on the other hand hasn’t yet been acknowledged.

 

[hlfway2anywhere]

Ah so because SOME customers dont notice it, its a green signal for Apple to take away a major advnatge of the solid state button? Might as well underclock the A11 Bionic by 25% in an update. I am sure no one will notice a difference,which makes it okay.

Can you please be more dramatic... I don’t think it came through. But seriously. Not even close to what C DM was saying.

 

[Radon87000]

Can you please be more dramatic... I don’t think it came through. But seriously. Not even close to what C DM was saying.

I am having an issue with the bolded. CDM is trying to undermine a unique feature of the button

The button was definitely talked about and all that, but I don't recall marketing or even general consumer discussions about the speed of it being a bigger and better feature of it.

I'm not saying that some didn't find it speedier in some fashion, just that I don't recall that particular speed part of it (vs simply it being a new non-physical button that used the Taptic Engine) being a selling point or even something that the vast majority thought about and made it part of their consideration to buy a device with such a button.

 

[Jayderek]

This topic is about purposely slowed down Home Button. The calculator app bug should be fixed now that Apple has acknowledged it. Home button lag/delay on the other hand hasn’t yet been acknowledged.

wait, who's to say that this calculator bug isn't also deliberately planned by Apple??

This calculator bug would make it near impossible to add up all of the hours wasted obsessing about milliseconds of time!

Well played Apple....well played

 

[Radon87000]

wait, who's to say that this calculator bug isn't also deliberately planned by Apple??

This calculator bug would make it near impossible to add up all of the hours wasted obsessing about milliseconds of time!

Well played Apple....well played

What purpose does it serve? Uninstall it like I did and Download Calcbot from the store. Problem solved.

 

[Jayderek]

What purpose does it serve? Uninstall it like I did and Download Calcbot from the store. Problem solved.

the fact that you thought my post was even partially serious, explains everything right there.

 

[Radon87000]

the fact that you thought my post was even partially serious, explains everything right there.

This thread is for users who are having an issue with the slowed down home button. If you find the problem funny why are you here?I am here for a serious discussion. So far no one has provided a concincing answer on why this button was slowed down unintentionally and hasn ot been fixed

 

[I7guy]

I am having an issue with the bolded. CDM is trying to undermine a unique feature of the button

What unique feature? Speed of the button is the same as iOS 10.3.3 on every device, that is to say almost instant.

 

[Radon87000]

What unique feature?

The instant response of the SOLID state home button to input on iOS 10

Speed of the button is the same as iOS 10.3.3 on every device, that is to say almost instant.

Its already been shown in the GIF I posted before its not as fast as iOS 10.3.3.

 

[C DM]

Ah so because SOME customers dont notice it, its a green signal for Apple to take away a major advnatge of the solid state button? Might as well underclock the A11 Bionic by 25% in an update. I am sure no one will notice a difference,which makes it okay.

And nothing of the sort was said about that. Again, why make something up that wasn't said and twist things?
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I am having an issue with the bolded. CDM is trying to undermine a unique feature of the button

I'm simply responding to that specific part about it being a selling point and trying to find out when that was an actual feature that was being marketed or made out as an advantage of the new button. The button might very well be or feel faster, I just don't recall that in particular difference being something that was a selling point or even that much of a discussion item.

That's the only thing in relation to that that I was bringing up based on my observations. It wasn't to say anything about the delay some are experiencing or what should or shouldn't be done or anything else of that sort.

 

[I7guy]

The instant response of the SOLID state home button to input on iOS 10

My iPhone 7 is instant or as near to instant as I can measure on iOS 11.

Its already been shown in the GIF I posted before its not as fast as iOS 10.3.3.

No it hasn’t....it looked flawed to me which renders any conclusion suspect.

 

[Radon87000]

My iPhone 7 is instant or as near to instant as I can measure on iOS 11.

The app quits after you have completed pressing the button. On iOS 10 the app closed simultaneously with your finger

No it hasn’t....it looked flawed to me which renders any conclusion suspect.

If it was flawed why dont his comparisons between 2 iOS 11 devices show something similar? Why is this effect only observed in videos showing iOS 10 vs iOS 11?

 

[hlfway2anywhere]

And nothing of the sort was said about that. Again, why make something up that wasn't said and twist things?
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I'm simply responding to that specific part about it being a selling point and trying to find out when that was an actual feature that was being marketed or made out as an advantage of the new button. The button might very well be or feel faster, I just don't recall that in particular difference being something that was a selling point or even that much of a discussion item.

That's the only thing in relation to that that I was bringing up based on my observations. It wasn't to say anything about the delay some are experiencing or what should or shouldn't be done or anything else of that sort.

you are correct in that it was never marketed or made a selling point by Apple. I’m pretty sure your memory on that is correct. I’m not sure where all the other accusations are coming from but it’s so dramatic it’s kind of humorous at this point.

 

[Jayson A]

What unique feature? Speed of the button is the same as iOS 10.3.3 on every device, that is to say almost instant.

No it's not. The iPhone 7 models have always been faster. That's the reason why the animations were screwed up for so long. Apple had a hard time figuring out how to morph the closing animation into the task switcher animation because the iPhone 7 would not wait to find out if a second click was going to happen or not.

Now, iOS 11 looks like it's back to waiting for that second click before ANY animation starts no matter which iPhone you have.

 

[Radon87000]

No it's not. The iPhone 7 models have always been faster. That's the reason why the animations were screwed up for so long. Apple had a hard time figuring out how to morph the closing animation into the task switcher animation because the iPhone 7 would not wait to find out if a second click was going to happen or not.

Now, iOS 11 looks like it's back to waiting for that second click before ANY animation starts no matter which iPhone you have.

Reason they are unconcerned about it on iOS 11 is that they are too busy with iPhone X to care about the iPhones with home buttons and to save themselves the trouble of not tinkering with the animations again they decided to slow it down as it's not their flagship anymore.

 

[Jayson A]

Reason they are unconcerned about it on iOS 11 is that they are too busy with iPhone X to care about the iPhones with home buttons and to save themselves the trouble of not tinkering with the animations again they decided to slow it down as it's not their flagship anymore.

It's crazy how fast Apple pushes the year old devices to the side like "That's last years model... get that monstrosity out of here!". I mean, yeah they still support the older models, but they don't polish them like they do the newest model.

Next year, they'll screw up the iPhone X with iOS 12, but the new iPhone will be the new favorite of Apple and they will cherish it and make sure iOS 12 runs flawlessly on it.

 

[C DM]

Reason they are unconcerned about it on iOS 11 is that they are too busy with iPhone X to care about the iPhones with home buttons and to save themselves the trouble of not tinkering with the animations again they decided to slow it down as it's not their flagship anymore.

As always, an interesting supposition.

Or they haven't gotten to do something about it thus far, a month after the initial release of iOS 11. It took quite a bit to get various animation or frame drop things figured out in iOS 10, for example, so it wouldn't be exactly all that unusual that something like this might get tweaked down the line.

It's also possible that it might not get changed really in iOS 11, but that also on its own wouldn't necessary mean that what was done was originally done as part of some sort of malicious intent and is part of some conspiracy.

 

[scjr]

Reason they are unconcerned about it on iOS 11 is that they are too busy with iPhone X to care about the iPhones with home buttons and to save themselves the trouble of not tinkering with the animations again they decided to slow it down as it's not their flagship anymore.

Come on now. You were the same during iOS 10 development. Critical about animations, but in the end you were pleased and are using iOS 10 as a benchmark now. Not worth worrying about this, Radon. Just keep submitting the reports, until they get tired of receiving then and they fix it. It will be the same next year, believe me.

 

[I7guy]

The app quits after you have completed pressing the button. On iOS 10 the app closed simultaneously with your finger




If it was flawed why dont his comparisons between 2 iOS 11 devices show something similar? Why is this effect only observed in videos showing iOS 10 vs iOS 11?

No it doesn’t, the app closes as SOON as the button is pressed on all of my devices.

 

[fisherking]

This thread is for users who are having an issue with the slowed down home button. If you find the problem funny why are you here?I am here for a serious discussion. So far no one has provided a concincing answer on why this button was slowed down unintentionally and hasn ot been fixed

have you not read thru this thread? or seen the title yet?

this thread is clearly about apple having 'purposely' slowed down the button. plus, no one's saying you don't have an issue. but it's insulting to assume that those who say they don't experience a slowdown are simply not seeing it. you're saying that you're right, and anyone who contradicts you is wrong... and the world is far more complicated than that...

 

[Radon87000]

It's crazy how fast Apple pushes the year old devices to the side like "That's last years model... get that monstrosity out of here!". I mean, yeah they still support the older models, but they don't polish them like they do the newest model.

Next year, they'll screw up the iPhone X with iOS 12, but the new iPhone will be the new favorite of Apple and they will cherish it and make sure iOS 12 runs flawlessly on it.

Yeah I expect the X to be hobbled next year while the X Plus becomes their new darling.