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There is absolutely a split second delay between pressing the home button and the app closing which isn’t there on iOS 10.3.3.

On iOS 10.3.3 the “feedback” was instant, on iOS 11.1 there’s a very real and noticeable delay.

Thankfully the animations are smooth, so it’s not the end of the world performance wise, but it’s not a bug either. It’s a change to the behaviour of the phone.
 
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I7guy

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This thread is for users who are having an issue with the slowed down home button. If you find the problem funny why are you here?I am here for a serious discussion. So far no one has provided a concincing answer on why this button was slowed down unintentionally and hasn ot been fixed
No, the thread is discussing why Apple “purposely “ slowed down The home button. That word “purposely “ opens up the floodgates. I’m still trying to determine why my home button response isn’t slow on my idevices.
 

Radon87000

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No, the thread is discussing why Apple “purposely “ slowed down The home button. That word “purposely “ opens up the floodgates. I’m still trying to determine why my home button response isn’t slow on my idevices.
It's not my fault you can't see it. I specifically requested to handle all the iPhone 7's from some of the people I interact on a daily basis (Around 10-11) and the delay was there on every single phone but not a single one noticed it.
 

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It's not my fault you can't see it. I specifically requested to handle all the iPhone 7's from some of the people I interact on a daily basis (Around 10-11) and the delay was there on every single phone but not a single one noticed it.
Maybe because the “delay” isn’t present on my devices and people are seeing things that aren’t there. That video that was posted is proof positive there isn’t a second delay, as you claim, much less any type of delay as the anecdotal video is flawed to me. The consensus thus far: it may be present for some and not others, some may have it and not be aware, others may not have it but believe they do.
 

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It's not my fault you can't see it. I specifically requested to handle all the iPhone 7's from some of the people I interact on a daily basis (Around 10-11) and the delay was there on every single phone but not a single one noticed it.

If that is the case you likely have a hypersensitivity to this issue in particular. Which is common with various things, for example some people are much more sensitive to audio video sync issues than others. This can apply to all your senses though. In the case of an AV sync that is necessarily a good thing because your brain isn't able to compensate quick enough or at all.

Regardless if you know some people can't detect the problem than you shouldn't be surprised everyone doesn't jump on the band wagon.

I'll be at a friends house tonight that has a 7 and see if I notice it. Although admittedly I'm not hypersensitive to input response time. Going from a 100+ ms TV to a 20 ms TV with video games and I barely noticed a difference, other people feel like its night and day.
 
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It's not my fault you can't see it. I specifically requested to handle all the iPhone 7's from some of the people I interact on a daily basis (Around 10-11) and the delay was there on every single phone but not a single one noticed it.

and you're completely ignoring the title of the thread itself, that apple is 'purposely' introduced lag. and, 10-11 friends... out of how many ios users worldwide?

you're trying to speak for all of us; no one asked you to do this, and you don't have everyone's permission. certainly not mine...
 

Radon87000

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and you're completely ignoring the title of the thread itself, that apple is 'purposely' introduced lag. and, 10-11 friends... out of how many ios users worldwide?

you're trying to speak for all of us; no one asked you to do this, and you don't have everyone's permission. certainly not mine...
Yes it has purposely done it. I am 99% certain no matter how many times I submit feedback, Apple is not going to fix it. The slow home button is here to stay. My iPad Pro on iOS 10 has no home button delay and that's one device I won't let Apple ruin no matter how many times they download iOS 11 in the background.
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If that is the case you likely have a hypersensitivity to this issue in particular. Which is common with various things, for example some people are much more sensitive to audio video sync issues than others. This can apply to all your senses though. In the case of an AV sync that is necessarily a good thing because your brain isn't able to compensate quick enough or at all.

Regardless if you know some people can't detect the problem than you shouldn't be surprised everyone doesn't jump on the band wagon.

I'll be at a friends house tonight that has a 7 and see if I notice it. Although admittedly I'm not hypersensitive to input response time. Going from a 100+ ms TV to a 20 ms TV with video games and I barely noticed a difference, other people feel like its night and day.
i do agree it depends on how sensitive one is. For example while gaming I simply cannot tolerate drops below 60 fps on any game I play. It's why I buy Nvidia's "Ti" cards every year but there are many who find 30-40 fps perfectly playable. However that doesn't mean the performance is not slow on those cards just that it doesn't bother them. There are many Pixel 2 devices where there is graininess but some people just don't notice it
 

fisherking

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Yes it has purposely done it. I am 99% certain no matter how many times I submit feedback, Apple is not going to fix it. The slow home button is here to stay. My iPad Pro on iOS 10 has no home button delay and that's one device I won't let Apple ruin no matter how many times they download iOS 11 in the background.
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i do agree it depends on how sensitive one is. For example while gaming I simply cannot tolerate drops below 60 fps on any game I play. It's why I buy Nvidia's "Ti" cards every year but there are many who find 30-40 fps perfectly playable. However that doesn't mean the performance is not slow on those cards just that it doesn't bother them. There are many Pixel 2 devices where there is graininess but some people just don't notice it

sorry; how do you know it was purposely done? you've never given proof. what you believe (even if it's 99%) is still your belief... and not everyone believes the same things.

perhaps look up these things: proof. fact. conspiracy theory...
 

Radon87000

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sorry; how do you know it was purposely done? you've never given proof. what you believe (even if it's 99%) is still your belief... and not everyone believes the same things.

perhaps look up these things: proof. fact. conspiracy theory...
Was the home button instant on iOS 10? Yes
Is it instant on iOS 11? No

So who changed it? or did it magically change itself?
 

cynics

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i do agree it depends on how sensitive one is. For example while gaming I simply cannot tolerate drops below 60 fps on any game I play. It's why I buy Nvidia's "Ti" cards every year but there are many who find 30-40 fps perfectly playable. However that doesn't mean the performance is not slow on those cards just that it doesn't bother them. There are many Pixel 2 devices where there is graininess but some people just don't notice it

I agree. While I prefer 60fps (higher with some sort of active display syncing) as a console gamer I can definitely tolerate 30fps. I can certainly and immediately tell the difference though.
 
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C DM

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Yes it has purposely done it. I am 99% certain no matter how many times I submit feedback, Apple is not going to fix it. The slow home button is here to stay. My iPad Pro on iOS 10 has no home button delay and that's one device I won't let Apple ruin no matter how many times they download iOS 11 in the background.

Was the home button instant on iOS 10? Yes
Is it instant on iOS 11? No

So who changed it? or did it magically change itself?
It was already demonstrated using a clear simplified example that there is no way to know for certain that it was done on purpose and especially so that it was done with malicious intent. It was also shown that there is no way to know if it might be changed down the line or not simply because it hasn't been changed so far just a month after release of iOS 11. All basic logic in play--ignoring it and just going back to the same things that have been shown not to hold up and just repeating them doesn't change anything.
 

Radon87000

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It was already demonstrated using a clear simplified example that there is no way to know for certain that it was done on purpose and especially so that it was done with malicious intent. It was also shown that there is no way to know if it might be changed down the line or not simply because it hasn't been changed so far just a month after release of iOS 11. All basic logic in play--ignoring it and just going back to the same things that have been shown not to hold up and just repeating them doesn't change anything.
Slowing any part of the phone down and not fixing despite being told multiple times is malice.
 

C DM

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Slowing any part of the phone down and not fixing despite being told multiple times is malice.
So when the paper fell out of trash on its own by accident that means you had malicious intent originally (even though you had nothing to do with it at that time) simply because you might not be picking it up for a while? Clearly not.
 
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Radon87000

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Maybe because the “delay” isn’t present on my devices and people are seeing things that aren’t there. That video that was posted is proof positive there isn’t a second delay, as you claim, much less any type of delay as the anecdotal video is flawed to me. The consensus thus far: it may be present for some and not others, some may have it and not be aware, others may not have it but believe they do.
I am seeing exactly what’s there. My ipad’s Home Button is faster than my iPhone
 

Radon87000

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Anecdotally I am not seeing anything remotely close to that video, which, IMO, is flawed with human error
My 2017 iPad Pro 12.9 home button on iOS 10 currently blows away my iPhone and it’s not even a close contest in responsiveness. I will post a video here later individually if both of them so you can see the delay. Stop this denial.
 

I7guy

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My 2017 iPad Pro 12.9 home button on iOS 10 currently blows away my iPhone and it’s not even a close contest in responsiveness. I will post a video here later individually if both of them so you can see the delay. Stop this denial.
Please stop. I am not seeing anything other than an instant home response in my idevices. And I don’t care that an iPad and iPhone have different characteristics. iPad is a deflection. Unless you have some authoritative human error free proof there is no substantiation of the basis of the thread.
 
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Radon87000

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Please stop. I am not seeing anything other than an instant home response in my idevices. And I don’t care that an iPad and iPhone have different characteristics. iPad is a deflection. Unless you have some authoritative human error free proof there is no substantiation of the basis of the thread.
My iPad Air 2 on iOS 11 has the exact same delay as my iPhone 7 so,no, the iPhones and iPads are behaving exactly the same. And what proof do you want regarding the delay if not videos and timed benchmarks?
 

fisherking

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My iPad Air 2 on iOS 11 has the exact same delay as my iPhone 7 so,no, the iPhones and iPads are behaving exactly the same. And what proof do you want regarding the delay if not videos and timed benchmarks?

do you really not understand that not everyone has the same issues? and that there's no concrete evidence that what you're experiencing is an intentional, malicious act? maybe it's error, or a glitch, or bad coding (am not saying it's any of those things, because i lack... evidence).

"malice: the intention or desire to do evil; ill will"

you feel this is so, but you have no PROOF. and what's more realistic? that the apple board, tim cook, et all, did this with malice? or that you're experiencing a bug? (and before you answer that, remember, am asking in the real world...)
 
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Radon87000

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do you really not understand that not everyone has the same issues? and that there's no concrete evidence that what you're experiencing is an intentional, malicious act? maybe it's error, or a glitch, or bad coding (am not saying it's any of those things, because i lack... evidence).

"malice: the intention or desire to do evil; ill will"

you feel this is so, but you have no PROOF. and what's more realistic? that the apple board, tim cook, et all, did this with malice? or that you're experiencing a bug? (and before you answer that, remember, am asking in the real world...)

Can you please explain why in the course of my purchase history of multiple Apple devices bought over a span of 5-8 years at different points of time, only the devices running iOS 11 are having the delay while thise on iOS 10 aren’t?

So let us say Apple doesn’t fix this for the next 4 years. You will still say it’s unintentional?
 

C DM

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Can you please explain why in the course of my purchase history of multiple Apple devices bought over a span of 5-8 years at different points of time, only the devices running iOS 11 are having the delay while thise on iOS 10 aren’t?

So let us say Apple doesn’t fix this for the next 4 years. You will still say it’s unintentional?
If you don't pick up the piece of paper that fell out of the trash does that mean you intentionally dropped it originally? You can't make that conclusion since we know it would be incorrect given that we know that it fell out on its own by accident.
 
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fisherking

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Can you please explain why in the course of my purchase history of multiple Apple devices bought over a span of 5-8 years at different points of time, only the devices running iOS 11 are having the delay while thise on iOS 10 aren’t?

So let us say Apple doesn’t fix this for the next 4 years. You will still say it’s unintentional?

first, you're negating your own past comments on previous ios versions. second, your experience isn't everyone's experience. third, your '4 year' theory is just a made-up theory. last, you haven't proved intent, which is the dividing line between theory and fact. let it go? am sure you won't. you want to be right, no matter what anyone else says...
 
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