Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

[Shirasaki]

Then try it with reduce motion off and then use it with it set on. It’s not different. It’s tedious. To get to the middle of the app switcher you will need to constantly swipe 7-8 times.

Out of curiosity, I tried reduced motion and the app switcher. It works as if the reduced motion is not there, and apprantly, I can precisely go to the app I want to switch, which is a hit or miss when animation is there.

So then why is the feedback being consistently ignored? How many months is this going to take? And if they are not going to do anything about it why aren’t they closing my feedback entry? How many times should I keep submitting the same thing again and again?

They are ignoring it and not doing anything. This is intentional.

Let’s give another example to you.
My supervisor does not reply some of my email sent to him. Does that mean he ignores me? Does that mean he is doing that intentionally? I don’t think so. Same, Apple ignores that feedback does not mean Apple is doing that intentionally, or specifically, intentionally ignoring the feedback. They can receive it, see it, and do nothing afterwards. You never know. Apple is not responsible to reply to all bug reports.

 

[I7guy]

My iPad Air 2 on iOS 11 has the exact same delay as my iPhone 7 so,no, the iPhones and iPads are behaving exactly the same. And what proof do you want regarding the delay if not videos and timed benchmarks?

Proof the MY iPhones have a delay is what I’m looking for. Not proof that YOURS does and the conclusion that mine has the same delay also.

 

[Radon87000]

Proof the MY iPhones have a delay is what I’m looking for. Not proof that YOURS does and the conclusion that mine has the same delay also.

The only way to find out is for you to post your video.

 

[fisherking]

The only way to find out is for you to post your video.

if you tell us the world is flat, you need to prove it. if you tell us that apple intentionally slowed down the home button... you'd need to prove that. when you come up with a theory, the burden of proof is on you.

 

[Radon87000]

if you tell us the world is flat, you need to prove it. if you tell us that apple intentionally slowed down the home button... you'd need to prove that. when you come up with a theory, the burden of proof is on you.

He asked me to prove the delay on his phone. I told him to post a video so I can point it out to him. Show me any video of any iPhone and I will point it out to you as it factually exists
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So when the paper fell out of trash on its own by accident that means you had malicious intent originally (even though you had nothing to do with it at that time) simply because you might not be picking it up for a while? Clearly not.

You example has been biased from the very beginning as you made it stating it ferll out by accident but you don't know why it fell. All we know in this scenario is a guy was taking out the trash, a piece of paper fell out and 7 months later that person hasnt bothered to pick it despite knockingf at his door every single day. What does that suggest regarding his intentions which we didnt know about earlier?

 

[I7guy]

The only way to find out is for you to post your video.

Nope that’s not proof that’s anecdotal.

 

[Radon87000]

Nope that’s not proof that’s anecdotal.

You don't need to go and examine every single device on the planet to prove something. Even if this was done in an hypothetical scenario and 1 device was left, you would still say that. In the case of the Note 7, 50 devices catching fire were enough to recall millions of devices. 3DT stutter was observed on a handful of devices by a handful of obsessive users on MacRumors yet a fix was pushed out. Even while auditing any financial statements, sampling testing is done in many scenarios to say whether they are true and fair.

 

[C DM]

You example has been biased from the very beginning as you made it stating it ferll out by accident but you don't know why it fell. All we know in this scenario is a guy was taking out the trash, a piece of paper fell out and 7 months later that person hasnt bothered to pick it despite knockingf at his door every single day. What does that suggest regarding his intentions which we didnt know about earlier?

My example is a simple objective logical one that has givens provided specifically to demonstrate the point that suppositions can be made about subsequent actions that don't line up with the givens. It was to show that those suppositions are only suppositions and aren't proof because if they were proof they would always line up the givens. Trying to find bias where there is none because things simply don't fit the narrative is quite telling.

 

[Radon87000]

My example wasn't biased it was one that had givens provided specifically to demonstrate the point that suppositions can be made about subsequent actions that don't line up with the givens. It was to show that those suppositions are only suppositions and aren't proof because if they were proof they would always line up the givens.

Any reasonable person who commits a mistake in his work usually fixes it at the earliest possible instance otherwise he is fired as he is deliberately avoiding it. It doesnt take years to fix a trivial issue

 

[I7guy]

You don't need to go and examine every single device on the planet to prove something. Even if this was done in an hypothetical scenario and 1 device was left, you would still say that. In the case of the Note 7, 50 devices catching fire were enough to recall millions of devices. 3DT stutter was observed on a handful of devices by a handful of obsessive users on MacRumors yet a fix was pushed out. Even while auditing any financial statements, sampling testing is done in many scenarios to say whether they are true and fair.

And how many times on macrumors have people complained about an issue only to discover it’s something with their own device. The 3dt stutter was a bug which Apple intentionally did not cause and they fixed it; along with a myriad of other issues that get fixed. Here a broad sweeping claim is being made, which I can’t substantiate to the extent you are claiming. There is no benchmark or statistical test to prove the hypothesis.

Pushing a fix out is not indicative of anything intentional and it may fix bugs, add new features or updates functions per user request.

 

[C DM]

Any reasonable person who commits a mistake in his work usually fixes it at the earliest possible instance otherwise he is fired as he is deliberately avoiding it. It doesnt take years to fix a trivial issue

And yet it still says nothing about the reason why that mistake was originally made. You keep on conveniently avoiding that fundamental point that this has been all about.

 

[fisherking]

Any reasonable person who commits a mistake in his work usually fixes it at the earliest possible instance otherwise he is fired as he is deliberately avoiding it. It doesnt take years to fix a trivial issue

no, and that could be important. that issue you're having IS trivial, so it should NOT be priority. other things (like the calculator issue), are far more urgent.

 

[Radon87000]

no, and that could be important. that issue you're having IS trivial, so it should NOT be priority. other things (like the calculator issue), are far more urgent.

Why is the calculator issue urgent? Do you spend all day on an iPhone using the calculator? Or you know the home button? And again just use Calcbot. There’s TONS OF CALCULATOR APPS on the store. Calcbot even uses the Taptic Engine in my 7 Plus while pressing any button. Thanks to Apple I now have an even better calculator app

 

[fisherking]

i thought we were discussing things apple needs to fix (such as... the calculator). you haven't proved that everyone has a lagging home button, and, to remind you yet again, that the problem is a malicious act by apple.

anyway, a working, accurate calculator is far more important than a microseconds-faster home button.

 

[Radon87000]

i thought we were discussing things apple needs to fix (such as... the calculator). you haven't proved that everyone has a lagging home button, and, to remind you yet again, that the problem is a malicious act by apple.

anyway, a working, accurate calculator is far more important than a microseconds-faster home button.

All Note 7s didn't need to explode for Samsung to recall them. All iPhone users didn't need to submit a bug report to prove 3dt stutter existed. All iPhone users don't need to submit the bug on home button delay in order to prove the issue exists.

The problem is malicious because my iPhone has been slowed down by Apple themselves and countless betas later they still haven't gotten a fix. How many eons have I got to wait? I am now gonna submit feedback on home button every day at this point once 11.2 rolls out. I am pestering them with it.

You have a much better calculator available on the Store which actually uses the iPhone 7/8 Taptic Engine to simulate a button press, something Apple's own app ironically doesn't and won't even after the fix. And as someone who uses the calculator 10 hours a day in my line of work, let me assure you smartphone calculators are useless for business and home button delays are a definite higher priority.

 

[fisherking]

All Note 7s didn't need to explode for Samsung to recall them. All iPhone users didn't need to submit a bug report to prove 3dt stutter existed. All iPhone users don't need to submit the bug on home button delay in order to prove the issue exists.

The problem is malicious because my iPhone has been slowed down by Apple themselves and countless betas later they still haven't gotten a fix. How many eons have I got to wait? I am now gonna submit feedback on home button every day at this point once 11.2 rolls out. I am pestering them with it.

You have a much better calculator available on the Store which actually uses the iPhone 7/8 Taptic Engine to simulate a button press, something Apple's own app ironically doesn't and won't even after the fix. And as someone who uses the calculator 10 hours a day in my line of work, let me assure you smartphone calculators are useless for business and home button delays are a definite higher priority.

i don't care about the calculator (altho, yes, i'd like it fixed). and some note7 batteries exploding doesn't mean they all explode. you're claiming that the home button issue is universal, yet numerous people on this forum don't have the problem. are we all lying, or too stupid to see it? or is it just possible that not everyone has the problem?

what seems more logical??

and you're saying apple caused the button to slow down, yet have never proved that. meanwhile, what exactly do you want from this thread? everyone to say "yes, you're right about everything"?

 

[I7guy]

Why is the calculator issue urgent? Do you spend all day on an iPhone using the calculator? Or you know the home button? And again just use Calcbot. There’s TONS OF CALCULATOR APPS on the store. Calcbot even uses the Taptic Engine in my 7 Plus while pressing any button. Thanks to Apple I now have an even better calculator app

Why is the home button urgent? Does it produce a WRONG result when pressed? Shouldn’t wrong trump claimed interface delays? But this still has no relation to the premise of the thread.

 

[imagineadam]

i don't care about the calculator (altho, yes, i'd like it fixed). and some note7 batteries exploding doesn't mean they all explode. you're claiming that the home button issue is universal, yet numerous people on this forum don't have the problem. are we all lying, or too stupid to see it? or is it just possible that not everyone has the problem?

what seems more logical??

and you're saying apple caused the button to slow down, yet have never proved that. meanwhile, what exactly do you want from this thread? everyone to say "yes, you're right about everything"?

The home button issue is on the iPhone 7 upgrading to iOS 11. On iOS 10 the close animation is instant the moment the button is activated.

On iOS 11 they changed the timing back on all the capacative home buttons to the same as all the physical home buttons where it waits a half second or so for a second click then the animation begins.

Watch how every time (except for the first where he missed the button) he closes the app the 7 on 10.3.3 the animation is already pretty much finished closing before the close animation even begins on iOS 11.

And yes apple of course Apple caused this delay. They do write the software. And I believe they did it to unify the behavior of all home buttons and it's a step backward from the speedy iPhone 7 behavior under iOS 10 which I still enjoy and it's keeping me from upgrading.

 

[C DM]

And yes apple of course Apple caused this delay. They do write the software. And I believe they did it to unify the behavior of all home buttons and it's a step backward from the speedy iPhone 7 behavior under iOS 10 which I still enjoy and it's keeping me from upgrading.

That is a fairly rational and possible theory.

 

[davidcmc]

The home button issue is on the iPhone 7 upgrading to iOS 11. On iOS 10 the close animation is instant the moment the button is activated.

On iOS 11 they changed the timing back on all the capacative home buttons to the same as all the physical home buttons where it waits a half second or so for a second click then the animation begins.

Watch how every time (except for the first where he missed the button) he closes the app the 7 on 10.3.3 the animation is already pretty much finished closing before the close animation even begins on iOS 11.

And yes apple of course Apple caused this delay. They do write the software. And I believe they did it to unify the behavior of all home buttons and it's a step backward from the speedy iPhone 7 behavior under iOS 10 which I still enjoy and it's keeping me from upgrading.

Whenever I read people in this topic saying their iPhone 7 with iOS 11 goes to home screen "the exact instant they press the Home Button", I simply cannot believe they know what they're talking about, specially when they self proclaim tech-savvy.

This video just proves what the OP is talking about and the delay actually exists in every iPhone 7/8 with iOS 11 installed.

 

[ct2k7]

So I’ve got an iPhone SE running iOS 10 and an iPhone 7 and 8 both running 11.1 beta.

The latter two devices have the lag, and the iPhone SE doesn’t.

I filed a radar bug but it was closed.

 

[I7guy]

That is a fairly rational and possible theory.

But it’s like discerning the difference of 5.5 seconds to 60 and 5.4 seconds.

 

[Radon87000]

But it’s like discerning the difference of 5.5 seconds to 60 and 5.4 seconds.

Which is noticeable if you own an iOS 10 device. Input lag never takes more than 0.5-0.7 seconds on any device.

 

[Radon87000]

The home button issue is on the iPhone 7 upgrading to iOS 11. On iOS 10 the close animation is instant the moment the button is activated.

On iOS 11 they changed the timing back on all the capacative home buttons to the same as all the physical home buttons where it waits a half second or so for a second click then the animation begins.

Watch how every time (except for the first where he missed the button) he closes the app the 7 on 10.3.3 the animation is already pretty much finished closing before the close animation even begins on iOS 11.

And yes apple of course Apple caused this delay. They do write the software. And I believe they did it to unify the behavior of all home buttons and it's a step backward from the speedy iPhone 7 behavior under iOS 10 which I still enjoy and it's keeping me from upgrading.

As I said earlier if this is indeed the reason, it just says they didn’t want to deal with the problem of having separate animations for solid home button and mechanical home buttons because they already have their hands full with the X. Last year they optimised iOS 10 specifically for 7 Plus b cause it was their flagship.

Although my mechanical home button of iPad on iOS 10 is still faster than the solid button on iOS 11.

 

[Radon87000]

So I’ve got an iPhone SE running iOS 10 and an iPhone 7 and 8 both running 11.1 beta.

The latter two devices have the lag, and the iPhone SE doesn’t.

I filed a radar bug but it was closed.

At least Apple responded to your bug saying it won’t be fixed. Mine is still open.
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Why is the home button urgent?

Because it does not have an immediate solution.

Does it produce a WRONG result when pressed? Shouldn’t wrong trump claimed interface delays?

This calculator issue has a solution within your control and thankfully Apple even allows you to delete their own stock calculator app. Something which has an immediate solution makes it a lower priority than one which doesn’t.

I also thank Apple for this bug. If it wasn’t for them, I would never have ventured into the App Store and found such an awesome calculator app. Not only does it simulate a button press using the Taptic Engine, it also has the button push down animation and I can erase numbers using the gestures.