Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

[Jayderek]

You really don't see that icon with buttons is jumping around after pressing 3D touch? Really? Or is it ok that buttons can just jump 10px in each direction and that suppose to be normal?

I'm saying that I do NOT have that happening on my phone. I see it on your video but that's not happening for me.

I'm sorry it's happening for you, but AGAIN, if you're worrying about this as being something major I really don't know what to tell you. Hopefully it'll get smoothed out for you in a future release.

 

[Radon87000]

Well it is working for me, uploaded to youtube for those who streamable link isnt working.

Yup. I can see it. It would irritate me a lot. Have you tried updating to iOS 11.1 beta?

 

[m4a]

I'm saying that I do NOT have that happening on my phone. I see it on your video but that's not happening for me.

I'm sorry it's happening for you, but AGAIN, if you're worrying about this as being something major I really don't know what to tell you. Hopefully it'll get smoothed out for you in a future release.

I see this when 3D touching. Sometimes background image is jumping around similarly. Notification (red) bubbles are jumping around as well. Each one of them separately is nothing major, but these things add up. I really wish I didnt notice them, but when your job success is based on attention to little details, then it can bother the **** out of you!
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Yup. I can see it. It would irritate me a lot. Have you tried updating to iOS 11.1 beta?

Not yet, not a fan of being a beta tester. 11.1 should be out soon. Hopefully next week.

 

[Radon87000]

that's the entire supposition of this crazy thread though!

It sucks that you notice it and it's frustrating for you. I honestly DO hope it gets better for you all. I think the rest of us are just tired that it's some sort of conspiracy on Apple's part when it's no such thing.

I pay attention to detail as well, but if I concentrated on milliseconds? holy hell, each and every day would be a nightmare for me dealing with ANY sort of electronics.
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your last link isn't even working

But its not milliseconds. Its a delay measurable by a stop watch and is easily around 0.7 seconds at best. I dont understand why we shouldnt be OCD about these expensive phones. What's happening here is the same thing happening over on some Pixel threads on Reddit. Whenever someone tries to bring in the the genuine issue of the Pixel 2 XL having graininess and blue tint at the slightest shift, they are ridiculed for putting on a grey screen and heading into a dark room on low brightness to see it when its not visible on normal brightness. These phones should not be having these issues at this price point, especially in the case of the iPhone which didnt have that issue to begin with.

 

[C DM]

But its not milliseconds. Its a delay measurable by a stop watch and is easily around 0.7 seconds at best. I dont understand why we shouldnt be OCD about these expensive phones. What's happening here is the same thing happening over on some Pixel threads on Reddit. Whenever someone tries to bring in the the genuine issue of the Pixel 2 XL having graininess and blue tint at the slightest shift, they are ridiculed for putting on a grey screen and heading into a dark room on low brightness to see it when its not visible on normal brightness. These phones should not be having these issues at this price point, especially in the case of the iPhone which didnt have that issue to begin with.

Except that we've established that even in various videos that you posted the delay was barely in the 0.25 range at best.

 

[Radon87000]

Except that we've established that even in various videos that you posted the delay was barely in the 0.25 range at best.

It does not measure at 0.25 on my phone. If I am deliberately fast to stop it its still 0.5 seconds. Definitely nowhere close to "milliseconds".

 

[Toonartist]

If my original intention was not to litter the ground and it was a pure accident on my part, I would thank you, go to the spot and pick up the paper and rectify my mistake. If I intentionally wanted to litter the ground, I would simply shut the door in your face.

Or, it maybe that a lot of other people had already informed them of other bits of paper falling out before the piece you had seen and reported. They landed in a lot harder to reach places and they must pick them up first but will eventually get to your piece.

They’re glad you informed them about it but can’t spend time talking or acknowledging each report on the doorstep as it will use up valuable time allocated to picking up the paper.

They had no intention to let all this paper fall out and are doing their best to pick it all up but, they only have two hands so need to prioritise!

 

[C DM]

It does not measure at 0.25 on my phone. If I am deliberately fast to stop it its still 0.5 seconds. Definitely nowhere close to "milliseconds".

Just pointing out that the experience does appear to differ, even based on provided examples.

(And you do realize that fractions of a second are in fact milliseconds.)

 

[iSayBoourns]

It does not measure at 0.25 on my phone. If I am deliberately fast to stop it its still 0.5 seconds. Definitely nowhere close to "milliseconds".

5 milliseconds to be exact. You do know there are 10 of them per second right?

 

[C DM]

5 milliseconds to be exact. You do know there are 10 of them per second right?

It would actually be 500 milliseconds (for 0.5 second) as milliseconds are thousandths of a second. But milliseconds are still involved nonetheless.

 

[iSayBoourns]

It would actually be 500 milliseconds (for 0.5 second) as milliseconds are thousandths of a second. But milliseconds are still involved nonetheless.

Ya, you’re right. For whatever reason I was thinking 10.

 

[MEJHarrison]

Ya, you’re right. For whatever reason I was thinking 10.

That would be a decisecond. There are 10 deciseconds in a second.

 

[iSayBoourns]

That would be a decisecond. There are 10 deciseconds in a second.

Yeah. I had a brain fart. It’s been a busy week and a half.

 

[Zaft]

But its not milliseconds. Its a delay measurable by a stop watch and is easily around 0.7 seconds at best. I dont understand why we shouldnt be OCD about these expensive phones. What's happening here is the same thing happening over on some Pixel threads on Reddit. Whenever someone tries to bring in the the genuine issue of the Pixel 2 XL having graininess and blue tint at the slightest shift, they are ridiculed for putting on a grey screen and heading into a dark room on low brightness to see it when its not visible on normal brightness. These phones should not be having these issues at this price point, especially in the case of the iPhone which didnt have that issue to begin with.

I timed it as I was curious. I got 0.44 seconds. 7+ on 11.1 Beta 5.

 

[Jayson A]

One of the selling points of the iPhone 7 was it's super responsive home button. Previous iPhones had to wait for a second click before it responded to a click, but the iPhone 7 was able to adapt mid-animation to the second click, so therefore it would start the first animation immediately without delay, then if the user clicked again, it would jolt right into the task switcher screen.

Now, they've gone back and made the software button on the iPhone 7 have the same response time as the hardware buttons on the previous devices.

It's a DOWNGRADE. No other way to put it.

 

[C DM]

One of the selling points of the iPhone 7 was it's super responsive home button. Previous iPhones had to wait for a second click before it responded to a click, but the iPhone 7 was able to adapt mid-animation to the second click, so therefore it would start the first animation immediately without delay, then if the user clicked again, it would jolt right into the task switcher screen.

Now, they've gone back and made the software button on the iPhone 7 have the same response time as the hardware buttons on the previous devices.

It's a DOWNGRADE. No other way to put it.

Was that really a selling point? As in one that was marketed in that fashion and/or was even known to the vast majority of consumers in general?

 

[Jayson A]

Was that really a selling point? As in one that was marketed in that fashion and/or was even known to the vast majority of consumers in general?

It's one of the things that the iPhone 7 had over the previous iPhones with the physical home buttons. Apple made a pretty big deal out of the software home button at the time and even optimized it throughout the 10.0-10.3 releases. They finally stopped tweaking the animations and got it perfect in 10.3 only to take a step backward in iOS 11.

 

[C DM]

It's one of the things that the iPhone 7 had over the previous iPhones with the physical home buttons. Apple made a pretty big deal out of the software home button at the time and even optimized it throughout the 10.0-10.3 releases. They finally stopped tweaking the animations and got it perfect in 10.3 only to take a step backward in iOS 11.

The button was definitely talked about and all that, but I don't recall marketing or even general consumer discussions about the speed of it being a bigger and better feature of it.

I'm not saying that some didn't find it speedier in some fashion, just that I don't recall that particular speed part of it (vs simply it being a new non-physical button that used the Taptic Engine) being a selling point or even something that the vast majority thought about and made it part of their consideration to buy a device with such a button.

 

[imagineadam]

The button was definitely talked about and all that, but I don't recall marketing or even general consumer discussions about the speed of it being a bigger and better feature of it.


I'm not saying that some didn't find it speedier in some fashion, just that I don't recall that particular speed part of it (vs simply it being a new non-physical button that used the Taptic Engine) being a selling point or even something that the vast majority thought about and made it part of their consideration to buy a device with such a button.

I think if you watch this video you'll see how awesomely fast the capacitive home button is on iOS 10.

The iPhone 7 and 8 behave the exact same way closing apps as the 6S and all other physical home buttons do now on iOS 11. It's night and day. Plus the new animations under iOS 11 are a little longer and bubbly making everything feel a little bit slower as well.

I compared my 7 (10.3.3) next to a 8 and couldn't believe how much less responsive it felt just opening up system apps and closing them. So glad I'm still on 10.3.3 with my 7.

 

[Radon87000]

Alas my wait for a home button delay free iPhone has just extended. Ordered the iPhone X, site went down and wasnt responding for a few minutes. Somehow I placed the order only to get a date of Dec 15.

 

[I7guy]

I think if you watch this video you'll see how awesomely fast the capacitive home button is on iOS 10.

The iPhone 7 and 8 behave the exact same way closing apps as the 6S and all other physical home buttons do now on iOS 11. It's night and day. Plus the new animations under iOS 11 are a little longer and bubbly making everything feel a little bit slower as well.

I compared my 7 (10.3.3) next to a 8 and couldn't believe how much less responsive it felt just opening up system apps and closing them. So glad I'm still on 10.3.3 with my 7.

Not doubting that it feels better to you, but wondering how much is a placebo effect. Home button pretty much instant on 5s, 6s and 7. But not sure how you open apps using the home button.

 

[Jayson A]

The button was definitely talked about and all that, but I don't recall marketing or even general consumer discussions about the speed of it being a bigger and better feature of it.

I'm not saying that some didn't find it speedier in some fashion, just that I don't recall that particular speed part of it (vs simply it being a new non-physical button that used the Taptic Engine) being a selling point or even something that the vast majority thought about and made it part of their consideration to buy a device with such a button.

I feel like you're only here to argue with us. Apple can do no wrong in your eyes. The calculator app is fine, you just have to take your time and go slower. The home button is fine even though it was instant in iOS 10.

No matter how you try to spin it... THESE THINGS ARE A STEP BACKWARDS NO MATTER HOW INSIGNIFICANT THEY ARE TO YOU

 

[C DM]

I feel like you're only here to argue with us. Apple can do no wrong in your eyes. The calculator app is fine, you just have to take your time and go slower. The home button is fine even though it was instant in iOS 10.

No matter how you try to spin it... THESE THINGS ARE A STEP BACKWARDS NO MATTER HOW INSIGNIFICANT THEY ARE TO YOU

It's always interesting how much of a spin gets put on the words of someone if they don't simply blindly bash Apple and agree with those who do.

I'm simply talking about not recalling the speed of the non-mechanical home button being some sort of a selling point, let alone a major one that most consumers even knew about.

And suddenly in that all of this comes out about what my supposed biases are. Only revealing your own biases in all of that. Nothing about the discussion itself but just twisting of my words to show something that fits some else's narrative. I guess when things get desperate they shift into ad hominem arguments. Unfortunately not surprising.

 

[Jayson A]

It's always interesting how much of a spin gets put on the words of someone if they don't simply blindly bash Apple and agree with those who do.

I'm simply talking about not recalling the speed of the non-mechanical home button being some sort of a selling point, let alone a major one that most consumers even knew about.

And suddenly in that all of this comes out about what my supposed biases are. Only revealing your own biases in all of that. Nothing about the discussion itself but just twisting of my words to show something that fits some else's narrative. I guess when things get desperate they shift into ad hominem arguments. Unfortunately not surprising.

Countless times in this forum, you just brush off issues. Constantly coming around to say that it's not a big deal isn't helping anyone. It's not a big deal to you, but when Apple takes away features or slows our devices down... or severely nerfs the calculator... THE FRIGGIN CALCULATOR... some of us actually care. They may seem small or insignificant to you, but I shouldn't be afraid to update my iPhone in fear that it will break things that functioned perfectly before.

 

[C DM]

Countless times in this forum, you just brush off issues. Constantly coming around to say that it's not a big deal isn't helping anyone. It's not a big deal to you, but when Apple takes away features or slows our devices down... or severely nerfs the calculator... THE FRIGGIN CALCULATOR... some of us actually care. They may seem small or insignificant to you, but I shouldn't be afraid to update my iPhone in fear that it will break things that functioned perfectly before.

So basically nothing to say on the actual topic and just doubling down on the ad hominem approach?

And just to show that things are being twisted (and fairly clearly knowingly) I'll repost my reply about the calculator issue from the thread about it (which somehow got dragged into here for no reason):

Why are people constantly trying to misinterpret what I'm saying just because it's convenient for them to fit it into their narrative? I'm not excusing anything, I'm simply talking through of potential reasons why the issue hasn't been addressed so far. Nowhere do I say that it doesn't exist or shouldn't be fixed or that it's good or anything of the sort. And yet people keep on twisting it that way because it fits what they want what I say to mean.

Interesting how the same approach of twisting things comes into play.