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C DM

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If my original intention was not to litter the ground and it was a pure accident on my part, I would thank you, go to the spot and pick up the paper and rectify my mistake. If I intentionally wanted to litter the ground, I would simply shut the door in your face.
But there was no original intention as it fell out by accident (and you didn't even know about at the time). What you are talking about is what your intention would be about it once it's already there and you've been told about it or you noticed and realized what happens yourself, but it doesn't relate to your original intention as to why it's there to begin with. There was no intention on your part about it to begin with at all since the paper fell out unintentionally.
 

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But there was no original intention as it fell out on accident (and you didn't even know about at the time)
We are the third party here. Apple is the guy taking out the trash. We can't read minds so we assume it was an accident and try to tell Apple about it. Apple opens the door, takes our message and slams it shut and doesnt do anything about that paper for months on end. We go to tell them about the problem every day and they simply open the door, take the message and slam it shut. Hence we realise it was not an accident and hence done on purpose
 

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We are the third party here. Apple is the guy taking out the trash. We can't read minds so we assume it was an accident and try to tell Apple about it. Apple opens the door, takes our message and slams it shut and doesnt do anything about that paper for months on end. We go to tell them about the problem every day and they simply open the door, take the message and slam it shut. Hence we realise it was not an accident and hence done on purpose
But it was an accident in the example in order to demonstrate this very disconnect. You are taking the action of doing something about it or not doing something about it after the fact and using it to assume what was behind it to begin with, when in the example it was an accident. As you can see it's a clear demonstration of why it's not proof of the original intent given that it shows it was an accident in the beginning which was then presumed to be intentional (even though it wasn't) by subsequent actions which can't affect the original intent.
 

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iPhone 8 with iOS 11.0.3 here. The OS is laggy. Home button lag (my old iPhone 5s closed apps faster), screen sometimes won't turn off when left alone, weird homescreen background glitches. It's a total mess to be honest. Also Siri will wake up only with like 5th try when voice activating. Tried reconfiguring multiple times.
 
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So then why is the feedback being consistently ignored? How many months is this going to take? And if they are not going to do anything about it why aren’t they closing my feedback entry? How many times should I keep submitting the same thing again and again?

They are ignoring it and not doing anything. This is intentional.

how many people post feedback reports? 5, 10? 10,000? i've posted about an issue in ios since forever, that hasn't been 'fixed'. are they ignoring me? should i take it personally? or are they focused on other things?

if 5000 people post about, say, the calculator issue, and 50 people post about the lag... what might be priority? or isn't it possible that they have LOTS on their plate, and they have their own list of priorities?

or... do you think they're reading your reports, then they share a laugh, and someone says "let's specifically ignore this feedback"?

you aren't there (at apple), you don't know what's being discussed, planned... etc. so you have no idea of what apple's intent is. making assumptions based on your feelings, calling them facts; it's not fact, and therefore, not real (again, apple's intent, not the issue you're experiencing).
 

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But there was no original intention as it fell out by accident (and you didn't even know about at the time). What you are talking about is what your intention would be about it once it's already there and you've been told about it or you noticed and realized what happens yourself, but it doesn't relate to your original intention as to why it's there to begin with. There was no intention on your part about it to begin with at all since the paper fell out unintentionally.
You are assuming it’s an accident on Apple’s part originally. Neither you nor I know that. We have to judge based on Apple’s behaviour. Any reasonable person, if he commits a mistake will try to rectify it at the earliest and not leave everyone hanging for months on end which is what Apple is doing.
 

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I don't get it. I've been following your ramblings on here for a few years. I honestly can't say I agree with most of what you post. Yet by all appearances, you appear to be a reasonably intelligent person.

This reminded me of a great quote by Saul Bellow. "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance, when the need for illusion is deep." Make of that what you will.

In regards to this thread, it's already well past funny and now approaching the planes of the weird and confusing. But I'll be damned if I give up reading at this point.
 
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This reminded me of a great quote by Saul Bellow. "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance, when the need for illusion is deep." Make of that what you will.

In regards to this thread, it's already well past funny and now approaching the planes of the weird and confusing. But I'll be damned if I give up reading at this point.

we're here to entertain. after all, no one could believe this is a serious thread...
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You are assuming it’s an accident on Apple’s part originally. Neither you nor I know that. We have to judge based on Apple’s behaviour. Any reasonable person, if he commits a mistake will try to rectify it at the earliest and not leave everyone hanging for months on end which is what Apple is doing.

you're making the assumptions; we're just pointing that out. there are issues (the calculator, or, for that matter, the calculator issue in high sierra's notification center), that are still unfixed. we don't know where apple's priorities lie. as you yourself said: "You are assuming it’s an accident on Apple’s part originally. Neither you nor I know that"

also, Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions
 
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C DM

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You are assuming it’s an accident on Apple’s part originally. Neither you nor I know that. We have to judge based on Apple’s behaviour. Any reasonable person, if he commits a mistake will try to rectify it at the earliest and not leave everyone hanging for months on end which is what Apple is doing.
We are talking about the example I created and posed specifically to demonstrate this. In my example there is no assumption about what happened originally--the paper falling out on its own--as I provided that information. And yet by applying reasoning to unrelated events that followed--as to how long it might take you to pick up that paper--you made the supposition that there was some type of original intent when there was none.

That's the whole point of the example to show that you can come up with the supposition that you came up with and be incorrect about it since we know the givens for the example because we created it.
 

MEJHarrison

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You are assuming it’s an accident on Apple’s part originally. Neither you nor I know that. We have to judge based on Apple’s behaviour. Any reasonable person, if he commits a mistake will try to rectify it at the earliest and not leave everyone hanging for months on end which is what Apple is doing.

Perhaps there are lots of mistakes to rectify. Perhaps, like where I work, there are more bugs than can be fixed in a day. I'm on a team devoted to doing nothing but fixing bugs. There are three teams in fact handling bugs. That's out of around 15 teams. Some bugs are important and jump to the top of the list. Some have been there for years and will likely sit out there for years to come. Sometimes big things get missed then there's a scramble to drop everything else and get that one thing done. Some times little things jump to the top because some executive said so. It's just the nature of the business. You tackle the most important stuff first and the rest can wait for another day. When we're in danger of being fined for not getting the government the data they asked for when they asked for it, and someone else is complaining about slowness on the website, guess which gets prioritized first?

I obviously have no clue how many bugs they have. I suspect like most places, there's a big enough list that lots of items will never be addressed. That's why it's completely absurd to infer anything about Apple or their motives based on how long your issues have gone unaddressed. Like I've said before, if you don't know what was picked up instead of your bug, you just look silly when complaining that your bug has sat for too long. My assumption is that they're fixing things they deem more important than your issues. I don't know that for a fact. But you don't climb to the top of the hill by concentrating on minor issues and ignoring the important ones. For all we know, they're scrambling to plug new security holes introduced in iOS 11 before they're discovered and exploited. That's purely hypothetical of course. But in such a situation, wouldn't you think our security is more important than a sub-second delay in animations? Most would. You act like there are 10 people working on 4 problems and when they get to yours, they decide to knock off early for the day. I seriously doubt that's how Apple works.

I believe a lot of your complaints could be cleared up if you just took a little bit of time to educate yourself on how software development works in the real world. Or start listening a little more when others attempt to educate you. Although, to be fair to you, another way software development works is that we sometimes find ourselves dealing with "experts" who like to tell us how to do our job, why to do it their way, why their item is the most important issue the company has to deal with, just how hard we'll fall on our face if we don't do their thing, etc... Sadly, that's also the nature of the business.
 

Radon87000

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how many people post feedback reports? 5, 10? 10,000? i've posted about an issue in ios since forever, that hasn't been 'fixed'. are they ignoring me? should i take it personally? or are they focused on other things?

if 5000 people post about, say, the calculator issue, and 50 people post about the lag... what might be priority? or isn't it possible that they have LOTS on their plate, and they have their own list of priorities?

or... do you think they're reading your reports, then they share a laugh, and someone says "let's specifically ignore this feedback"?

you aren't there (at apple), you don't know what's being discussed, planned... etc. so you have no idea of what apple's intent is. making assumptions based on your feelings, calling them facts; it's not fact, and therefore, not real (again, apple's intent, not the issue you're experiencing).
I really find it ironic people tell us home button complainers to shut up and then start complaining about the calculator which has an easy fix in the form of an alternative app. They are an even bigger "glutton for punishment" than us. They tell us to switch to Android and then go around complaining about the calculator when an easy fix exists. It should in no way be given a higher priority than the home button which is what we interact with all day long and has no solution/

I paid 1k for this phone and I dont care what their priorities and issues are. Its their JOB to act on my feedback and make this phone work like a high end phone with snappy animations and input performance an dexcellent battery life like its supposed to be, and not like a mid range Android phone. Scrolling down the notifications stutters. Check the widgets. It stutters. Then there is the home button delay which adds 1 second on top of the animations. The battery is still bad by iOS 10 standards. I get 7-8 hours of battery life on moderate use and if I use Safari while on LTE for web browsing, the battery is destroyed after 2 hours. This same phone had no issues lasting almost a day and half on iOS 10.

So I am really having trouble envisaging just what exactly were they fixing till now. The battery life has slightly improved from the atrocity it was on iOS 11. The 3DT stutter is fixed. The Safari launch animation stutter has been fixed. Thats all thats been fixed in the countless betas till now. I am really underwhelmed tbh.

The home button delay and battery drain are killing my experience of this phone. And with me charging the phone twice a day, GG for my battery's charge cycles and consequently battery health. As a consumer I dont care about Apple's troubles. I want my phone to function like it did on iOS 10 and IF THEY have so much on their plate that they just cant give us that, at least give us the ability to downgrade to iOS 10 and upgrade any time we want. My iPad is stuck on iOS 10 because I know iOS 11 is a one way trip. I want to know how it will perform on iOS 11 but I am scared about the perofrmance impact iOS 11 will have on the tablet.



we're here to entertain. after all, no one could believe this is a serious thread...
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you're making the assumptions; we're just pointing that out. there are issues (the calculator, or, for that matter, the calculator issue in high sierra's notification center), that are still unfixed. we don't know where apple's priorities lie. as you yourself said: "You are assuming it’s an accident on Apple’s part originally. Neither you nor I know that"

also, Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions
Its not my job to worry about Apple's priorities. My job is to pay money,give feedback and expect a phone which doesnt suffer delays, and battery drains just a year after buying it. If thats happening despite continued feedback and for months on end while the newer flagship phone users are enjoying their perfect phone what message is this sending for older devices?

When I pay $1100 for the iPhone X, I am going to be merciless as far as bugs or any hardware issues go. These are not cereal box or OnePlus phones. They know what they signed up for when they charged those prices. I am not going to cut them some slack because its a new form factor. Its their JOB to give me a perfect phone with no screen tint, and no gate issues out of the box. Otherwise you can justify pretty much everything that way. If the X launches with terrrible viewing angles, you will just say " Oh but FaceID was being given a higher priotiy". Wait a few months for the perfect screens to show up

I dont care about the calculator because I dont want another headache plaguing my use of the phone. Uninstall it and get an alternative app. It should be very clear by now that because of Apple's other priorities that bug may take months to fix. Its not a game breaking bug with no alternative solution like the home button delay.

We are talking about the example I created and posed specifically to demonstrate this. In my example there is no assumption about what happened originally--the paper falling out on its own--as I provided that information. And yet by applying reasoning to unrelated events that followed--as to how long it might take you to pick up that paper--you made the supposition that there was some type of original intent when there was none.

That's the whole point of the example to show that you can come up with the supposition that you came up with and be incorrect about it since we know the givens for the example because we created it.

-While taking out the trash, the paper fell out
-You saw it and told me to pick it up. In other words you thought it was an accident on my part and came to inform me about it which is something any reasonable individual would think. You have no knowledge about my real intentions
- You come to me everyday and remind me to pick it up. The weeks pass by and its now 5 months and I still dont pick it up.

What does this say? I know I have littered the street. I am being given multiple reminders and I ignore them. This clearly suggests that I do not intend to ever pick it up and I am just wasting your time. I am purposely not picking it up despite you reminding me about it.

Perhaps there are lots of mistakes to rectify. Perhaps, like where I work, there are more bugs than can be fixed in a day. I'm on a team devoted to doing nothing but fixing bugs. There are three teams in fact handling bugs. That's out of around 15 teams. Some bugs are important and jump to the top of the list. Some have been there for years and will likely sit out there for years to come. Sometimes big things get missed then there's a scramble to drop everything else and get that one thing done. Some times little things jump to the top because some executive said so. It's just the nature of the business. You tackle the most important stuff first and the rest can wait for another day. When we're in danger of being fined for not getting the government the data they asked for when they asked for it, and someone else is complaining about slowness on the website, guess which gets prioritized first?

I obviously have no clue how many bugs they have. I suspect like most places, there's a big enough list that lots of items will never be addressed. That's why it's completely absurd to infer anything about Apple or their motives based on how long your issues have gone unaddressed. Like I've said before, if you don't know what was picked up instead of your bug, you just look silly when complaining that your bug has sat for too long. My assumption is that they're fixing things they deem more important than your issues. I don't know that for a fact. But you don't climb to the top of the hill by concentrating on minor issues and ignoring the important ones. For all we know, they're scrambling to plug new security holes introduced in iOS 11 before they're discovered and exploited. That's purely hypothetical of course. But in such a situation, wouldn't you think our security is more important than a sub-second delay in animations? Most would. You act like there are 10 people working on 4 problems and when they get to yours, they decide to knock off early for the day. I seriously doubt that's how Apple works.

I believe a lot of your complaints could be cleared up if you just took a little bit of time to educate yourself on how software development works in the real world. Or start listening a little more when others attempt to educate you. Although, to be fair to you, another way software development works is that we sometimes find ourselves dealing with "experts" who like to tell us how to do our job, why to do it their way, why their item is the most important issue the company has to deal with, just how hard we'll fall on our face if we don't do their thing, etc... Sadly, that's also the nature of the business.

See I am not a software developer. I am a customer who paid flagship prices for a kick ass phone. Its not my job to worry about Apple's issues. As a normal customer, this is how I am seeing every year pass by. The flagship phones launch with a near perfect experience. The older devices are initially wrecked on the September release. This continues to improve trickle by trickle till May next year which is when after wading through the mud we get a good release only to be broken a month later. By this time, some of the hardware of the phone is also worn out like the battery.

And if they just cant make a good release because of too many bugs and they really do not intend to gimp the older phones, why do they stop signing the earlier iOS version? The one with near perfect performance and battery and no bugs? I can check out iOS 11 and if I dont like a version I will simply downgrade to iOS 10 till I get a version I like. Apple engineers arent pressured and I am happy. Win win. And if a company like Google can issue security fixes for older versions of Android, it should be child's play for Apple to do the same for iOS 10.
 
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I really find it ironic people tell us home button complainers to shut up and then start complaining about the calculator which has an easy fix in the form of an alternative app. They are an even bigger "glutton for punishment" than us. They tell us to switch to Android and then go around complaining about the calculator when an easy fix exists. It should in no way be given a higher priority than the home button which is what we interact with all day long and has no solution/

I paid 1k for this phone and I dont care what their priorities and issues are. Its their JOB to act on my feedback and make this phone work like a high end phone with snappy animations and input performance an dexcellent battery life like its supposed to be, and not like a mid range Android phone. Scrolling down the notifications stutters. Check the widgets. It stutters. Then there is the home button delay which adds 1 second on top of the animations. The battery is still bad by iOS 10 standards. I get 7-8 hours of battery life on moderate use and if I use Safari while on LTE for web browsing, the battery is destroyed after 2 hours. This same phone had no issues lasting almost a day and half on iOS 10.

So I am really having trouble envisaging just what exactly were they fixing till now. The battery life has slightly improved from the atrocity it was on iOS 11. The 3DT stutter is fixed. The Safari launch animation stutter has been fixed. Thats all thats been fixed in the countless betas till now. I am really underwhelmed tbh.

The home button delay and battery drain are killing my experience of this phone. And with me charging the phone twice a day, GG for my battery's charge cycles and consequently battery health. As a consumer I dont care about Apple's troubles. I want my phone to function like it did on iOS 10 and IF THEY have so much on their plate that they just cant give us that, at least give us the ability to downgrade to iOS 10 and upgrade any time we want. My iPad is stuck on iOS 10 because I know iOS 11 is a one way trip. I want to know how it will perform on iOS 11 but I am scared about the perofrmance impact iOS 11 will have on the tablet.


Its not my job to worry about Apple's priorities. My job is to pay money,give feedback and expect a phone which doesnt suffer delays, and battery drains just a year after buying it. If thats happening despite continued feedback and for months on end while the newer flagship phone users are enjoying their perfect phone what message is this sending for older devices?

When I pay $1100 for the iPhone X, I am going to be merciless as far as bugs or any hardware issues go. These are not cereal box or OnePlus phones. They know what they signed up for when they charged those prices. I am not going to cut them some slack because its a new form factor. Its their JOB to give me a perfect phone with no screen tint, and no gate issues out of the box. Otherwise you can justify pretty much everything that way. If the X launches with terrrible viewing angles, you will just say " Oh but FaceID was being given a higher priotiy". Wait a few months for the perfect screens to show up

I dont care about the calculator because I dont want another headache plaguing my use of the phone. Uninstall it and get an alternative app. It should be very clear by now that because of Apple's other priorities that bug may take months to fix. Its not a game breaking bug with no alternative solution like the home button delay.



-While taking out the trash, the paper fell out
-You saw it and told me to pick it up. In other words you thought it was an accident on my part and came to inform me about it which is something any reasonable individual would think. You have no knowledge about my real intentions
- You come to me everyday and remind me to pick it up. The weeks pass by and its now 5 months and I still dont pick it up.

What does this say? I know I have littered the street. I am being given multiple reminders and I ignore them. This clearly suggests that I do not intend to ever pick it up and I am just wasting your time. I am purposely not picking it up despite you reminding me about it.



See I am not a software developer. I am a customer who paid flagship prices for a kick ass phone. Its not my job to worry about Apple's issues. As a normal customer, this is how I am seeing every year pass by. The flagship phones launch with a near perfect experience. The older devices are initially wrecked on the September release. This continues to improve trickle by trickle till May next year which is when after wading through the mud we get a good release only to be broken a month later. By this time, some of the hardware of the phone is also worn out like the battery.

And if they just cant make a good release because of too many bugs, why do they stop signing the earlier iOS version? The one with near perfect performance and battery and no bugs? I can check out iOS 11 and if I dont like a version I will simply downgrade to iOS 10 till I get a version I like. Apple engineers arent pressured and I am happy. Win win. And if a company like Google can issue security fixes for older versions of Android, it should be child's play for Apple to do the same for iOS 10.


so, we learn that: it's all about you. you don't care about anything except YOUR needs being addressed, for issues that are not really that urgent.

you can go on (and on, sigh) as long as you want; the real world will not change to accomodate you, it's you who has to adapt to it. adapt? or complain endlessly. your choice.
 

Radon87000

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so, we learn that: it's all about you. you don't care about anything except YOUR needs being addressed, for issues that are not really that urgent.

you can go on (and on, sigh) as long as you want; the real world will not change to accomodate you, it's you who has to adapt to it. adapt? or complain endlessly. your choice.
How dare I expect my home button and battery life to stay the same over time?

I have already adapted to it. I started to upgrade my phones every year. I was reluctant on getting the X because of the screen size but I think I will because I want my 1 day battery life back and no delays in the OS. If I dont manage to snag one I will simply get some other Android in the meantime to play with
 

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How dare I expect my home button and battery life to stay the same over time?

I have already adapted to it. I started to upgrade my phones every year. I was reluctant on getting the X because of the screen size but I think I will because I want my 1 day battery life back and no delays in the OS. If I dont manage to snag one I will simply get some other Android in the meantime to play with

and we're all eagerly awaiting what sort of conspiracy Apple will be cooking up on the new phone for you - I'm sure there will be precious milliseconds taken away from you somewhere.
 

C DM

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-While taking out the trash, the paper fell out
-You saw it and told me to pick it up. In other words you thought it was an accident on my part and came to inform me about it which is something any reasonable individual would think. You have no knowledge about my real intentions
- You come to me everyday and remind me to pick it up. The weeks pass by and its now 5 months and I still dont pick it up.

What does this say? I know I have littered the street. I am being given multiple reminders and I ignore them. This clearly suggests that I do not intend to ever pick it up and I am just wasting your time. I am purposely not picking it up despite you reminding me about it.
But we are talking about the original intent and it doesn't say anything about your original intentions as they relate to how and why the paper got there to begin with. That's the point.

In the example it fell out accidentally without any intention of it falling out on your part. Yet you are saying that by not picking it up later (with or without reminders) that somehow means that you had some sort of original intent to make it fall out to begin with, which is clearly not the case.

There is no way to really establish, let alone prove the original intent going by actions that came later. You can theorize as to what it could have been to make the conclusions fit, but that's not even close to being proof (and in this very example it would in fact be incorrect as there was no original intent of any sort).

Not sure how much simpler this fairly basic logic can be made.
 
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and we're all eagerly awaiting what sort of conspiracy Apple will be cooking up on the new phone for you - I'm sure there will be precious milliseconds taken away from you somewhere.
Thats highly unlikely because I absolutely loved my iPhone 7 Plus on iOS 10, my iPhone 6 on iOS 8, my iPad Air 2 on iOS 8 and iPad Pro on iOS 10. Out of all my iDevices, the 2017 iPad Pro 12.9 running iOS 10 is my favourite. Zero stutters and 2 day battery life with moderate-heavy use.
 

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How dare I expect my home button and battery life to stay the same over time?

I have already adapted to it. I started to upgrade my phones every year. I was reluctant on getting the X because of the screen size but I think I will because I want my 1 day battery life back and no delays in the OS. If I dont manage to snag one I will simply get some other Android in the meantime to play with
But the X will have bugs as well. What will you do then? You’re stuck in a loop my man.

Radon you’re a good guy, but man you waste your life on little things. My phone isn’t perfect, but it gets the job done. It’s a tool. It’s working. Do I want things to be smoother? Sure. I’m just not going to waste my time on it. It will eventually be fixed.
 

Radon87000

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But it doesn't say anything about your original intentions as they relate to how and why the paper got there to begin with. That's the point.

Because if it was an accident I would have picked it up instantly. On multiple reminders over a course of few months most definitely. If I continue to ignore it, my behaviour clearly indicates that that piece of paper was no accident. If a guy gets caught for drunk driving, gets infracted for it and he continues to get caught again and again, what does that say about his original intentions? He never intended to stop drinking to begin with and is just giving excuses.
 

C DM

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Because if it was an accident I would have picked it up instantly. On multiple reminders over a course of few months most definitely. If I continue to ignore it, my behaviour clearly indicates that that piece of paper was no accident. If a guy gets caught for drunk driving, gets infracted for it and he continues to get caught again and again, what does that say about his original intentions? He never intended to stop drinking to begin with and is just giving excuses.
But if you didn't pick it up right away or for a long time or even ever, does that change the fact that it was an accident? It doesn't.

You say that the follow up behavior can indicate that it wasn't an accident, yet it in fact was since we established that as a given in the example, so your supposition, while it might be one that makes sense, can in fact be false nonetheless. Therefore there is no proof that could be had based on later actions, only theories and suppositions. Once again, that is the point.
 

Radon87000

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But the X will have bugs as well. What will you do then? You’re stuck in a loop my man.

Radon you’re a good guy, but man you waste your life on little things. My phone isn’t perfect, but it gets the job done. It’s a tool. It’s working. Do I want things to be smoother? Sure. I’m just not going to waste my time on it. It will eventually be fixed.
Well I couldnt be more satisfied with my iPad Pro 12.9. ProMotion display and all its hands down the best iDevice I own currently so I think the X will be excellent as well. I am always blown away by flagship Apple hardware on launch day. Its amazing how smooth and battery efficient Apple can make iOS if they set their mind to it. The iPhone 8 Plus is getting 14 hours of battery life. 14 hours. There is one screenshot showing a guy using his phone for 6 hours straight with 6 hours idle time and its still on 80%. My 7 Plus was like that on IOS 10. It no longer is. Apple devices are meant to be used on the iOS they ship with.
 
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