I said the same thing years ago. Then I upgraded to the iPhone 6s Plus and 7+, and now I can't look at anything smaller anymore. I have grown to really appreciate having a larger display and battery life.
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I said the same thing years ago. Then I upgraded to the iPhone 6s Plus and 7+, and now I can't look at anything smaller anymore. I have grown to really appreciate having a larger display and battery life.
I'm sure there is but its not going to work as seamlessly.
How have apple been acting recently?
I can understand the OP's reaction to a certain extent. I've used the iPhone since its inception and the first five iterations had enough tech to keep me buying. Some generations better than others, but nonetheless practical and innovative. It's because of this success that theyre held to a very high standard and expected to have something amazing every couple of years. The consumer has been jaded (for no fault of their own). This is the reality Steve's Apple given us. Sadly, no company will innovate and be at the forefront of technology forever. It's important to recognize that technology in smartphones in general has plateaued as it would be unrealistic to have something drastic be introduced in a regular cadence. With Tim having followed Steve's blueprint for the earlier iterations of the iPhone, Apple's had tremendous success, but IMO, Apple the last few years has started to show cracks in terms of the innovative spirit.
Because I've also owned almost every iteration of the Macbook Pro since its Intel days, the last few gens have lost their innovative punch and gone w/ something half baked (e.g. touchbar).
I have no problem w/ tech slowing down or not having discovered the next big thing, but what I have an issue with is the disconnected pricing. There's no longer that innovative thing in their products that could solidly cement the thought of "take my money." Not having that innovative high upon their major product release is a painful one. The price in keeping with their eco-system is a high one.
Now, I tell myself - I am paying for the user experience. The tech is just a bonus. I'm looking for competitors to catch up so Apple can think differently (again).
Because I've also owned almost every iteration of the Macbook Pro since its Intel days, the last few gens have lost their innovative punch and gone w/ something half baked (e.g. touchbar).
I have no problem w/ tech slowing down or not having discovered the next big thing, but what I have an issue with is the disconnected pricing. There's no longer that innovative thing in their products that could solidly cement the thought of "take my money." Not having that innovative high upon their major product release is a painful one. The price in keeping with their eco-system is a high one.
Now, I tell myself - I am paying for the user experience. The tech is just a bonus. I'm looking for competitors to catch up so Apple can think differently (again).
I think more people need to realise that hey not buying every new model that comes out is fine. Your stuff doesn't magically stop working and stops allowing you to work the day the new one comes out. I see this a lot in the camera world. A new camera comes out and people act like they suddenly can't take great photos without the new model, its like their old one suddenly stopped working.
Not really Stockholm syndrome. I take our household budget very seriously. Now is the time for us to be experimenting with all of our computing options and available ecosystems before we hit the restrictions of living on a retirement income while still having to pay college tuitions.
So, I leaped the fence. I've tried HTC and several Samsung models so far and follow other Android products, while still keeping in with Apple. The competition in Android is very very close now and Apple does need to stop stupid games with cutting corners in specs and the other little games they play to squeeze every last cent out of their customers.
But I've been watching the competition shoot themselves in the foot, too, in various ways. However, I can also see them learning fast, in a way that makes Apple seems oblivious to its environment in comparison. Next year will be very interesting. If Google can come up with something to make Allo truly match iMessage and work with iMessage, it will be hard to resist. But I don't expect Apple to be sitting still, either.
You brought a good point. There still is no competition yet with apple but ...who knows...maybe one day someone will catch up.
Yep. There is no competition, since iphone has been relegated in many countries to near irrelevant.
Sure where the competition is throw away phones and expensive Samsung mobile phones dont sell either. Apples competition is not the throw away market, in spite of what you may erroneously believe.
I agree with you, but there is a problem in that Tim clearly wants to enter at least two of these countries, China and India. And they may be pricing themselves out of some of Europe, the U.K. and Canada if the forum reactions are anything to go by. (Of course we know the forum is where people come to vent, so I'll be taking that with a grain of salt and wait for actual sales figures).
In what way? I am all for Google coming out with a true iMessage competitor because that is one thing I still stick with Apple for, but I just don't see it coming anytime soon. They have had years to make a iMessage competitor and instead they've made countless different messaging platforms and killed off others. On top of that, messaging platforms are hard to become popular because if no one you know uses it, then it will never take off.
I bought a Rolex 20 years ago. I wear my Garmin Fenix 3 more.
Like I said, once you realize the status thing is an endless race, you begin to realize what is important and what makes sense. I use what works and fits my needs, not what name is on the face or what costs the most.
Obviously my needs are different than yours or anyone else's. I have used Apple products for a long time. I live in an Apple eco-system, but for the first time I am beginning to question the need or the benefit of some of their products. I will still buy an iPhone in the future, just not a $1000 phone. I will still buy a laptop, just not a $3000 laptop. Not because I can't afford the status, but becasue I have come to a point where I think Apple is pricing itself out of the realm of reasonable and into the segment many will think is a luxury market.
Enjoy your products.
and some others are too "hooked" on little improvements (crumbles) always being loyal to anything Apple releases.
I bought an iphone 6s to Apple when it was released without IOS, when IOS was already "old" technology (my old Galaxy S3 already had it 2012 without mentioning the OLED screen of course)....Apple always a step behind from the competition... (Samsung plz give me your crumbles, i can sell them even more expensive!)
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Tried the bigger size for a year or so and got tired of toting it around. It's nice and all having the bigger display but the trade off is the bulk, never got used to that. i much prefer the 4.7" size that fits right into my shirt pocket that has a snap flap close on it. Very secure, no falling out, no sitting on it, no phone sticking out my back pocket. Always there and easy to hear. I'm surely in the minority but happy with the 4.7, can always wait to get home to my macbook for some quality browsing, netflix or anything else. I hope they never stop making smaller devices. To each their own tho.
Go check out some of the Note 8 reviews. Not only does the Note 8 operate like a beast (very underrated in this area), it is feature packed, and the features are no longer gimmicky like they used to be. The S Pen gives it so much cabability over the iohone it's not funny, and I'm not even taking the piss. But a stylus you say? "Who needs a stylus?". That's the thing, you don't have to use the pen, but it's there if you want or need it.
I often do online banking on my iphone. Sometimes I have to switch from my safari (bank website) to the calculator to do a quick calculation. Every now and again my online bank website logs me out when I switch back. I might want to watch youtube while writing a text. Or look at a suggested app being promoted on Facebook while checking the app store, etc etc etc. It amazes me that in 2017, with a 5.8 inch display, a bionic chip and 3 gigs of ram, Apple won't give us the ability to do 2 things at once yet they do on the ipad. I might want to change the look of my home page (you know, change is as good as a holiday), or I might want to have a permanent weather or big clock widget on my homepage because the weather and/or time could be important to me for my job, but nope, Apple doesn't let you do this on the world's most sophisticated smartphone platform. Why? Why don't they? It's 2017, not 2007 anymore.
I might decide I want to plug in my earphones into the jack or I might decide I want the physical feel of a button.
I run out of storage? No problem I'll get a micro sim, problem fixed. They are building them up to 400 gig I hear. If I run out of space on the iphone, what do I start deleting? My favourite music, my favourite apps or the pics of my kids? And before you talk about cloud storage, that's fine when I'm in a wifi range. But what about when I'm not?
When you compare the X to the N8 then we're talking bigger screen. More ram, bigger battery. Where the X stops, the Note 8 keeps going. If I want to download a video on an N8 I can. If I want to do that on an iphone I gotta BUY ($) a decent app and then hope the app isn't taken down. Where a little download function appears on the Note 8, a little red cross will appear on the iphone.
In my OP I was not asking for much, but something a bit more than the small catch up improvements we see year after year and a change from the boring grid of apps we see year after year after god forsaken year. We can't even position the apps outside of the grid.
If boring and lack of capability suits you and others, that's fine, keep your apps in the grid if you want (though I'm tipping you wouldn't if you could), don't personalise if you don't want to, don't multitask if you don't want to, but give us the opportunity to if we want, because we simply don't have the opportunity because of the lock down. I am not anti-Apple, I am an iphone user. In fact, if Apple could let us do these things that I've talked about above, Samsung's smartphone division would be dead in the water. Samsung capitalises on the very thing that Apple is ultra stubborn about.
TL;DR I am being dramatic.
I have a Note 3 that still works perfectly. Honestly Apple has been a bit more trouble for me than Android. I've had a multitude of dead pixels, logic board issues, bootloops with no way out, different modems and chips that function differently making me play the Apple lotto, same with the screens!
I'm sorry but I jumped on board after buying several androids only because they released the 5c which I thought was gorgeous in blue.
I still have my original Android, the Huawei Ascend. I've had to trade in, pay a fortune for a replacement or warranty almost every iPhone I've had and I've owned less of them than I have Android devices.
So I'm sorry but they've not only priced me out but they've offered a device that looks like every single other device I've seen. At this point only iOS is the benefit but after being on iOS 11 with all its magnificent bugs even on the GM, I'm no longer feeling that confident. Huge letters like I don't know I'm in an app? No way to shrink it either. Brilliant. YouTube red can't be run while using Tapatalk even though I'm paying for it to work in the background with ALL apps. Add in when I disconnected my watch and the damn widget in the notification bar got stuck.
I'm just over it. They don't offer gigabit ability, no band 71 for T-Mobile, increased prices for just about everything including wireless charging which you have to spend MORE money to use. Applecare +? Oh yeah. They must be really hurting being such a rich company! Poor thing.
Edit: and when I want to disable Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, etc I don't want to have to open settings to turn it the **** off!
I have a Note 3 that still works perfectly. Honestly Apple has been a bit more trouble for me than Android. I've had a multitude of dead pixels, logic board issues, bootloops with no way out, different modems and chips that function differently making me play the Apple lotto, same with the screens!
I'm sorry but I jumped on board after buying several androids only because they released the 5c which I thought was gorgeous in blue.
I still have my original Android, the Huawei Ascend. I've had to trade in, pay a fortune for a replacement or warranty almost every iPhone I've had and I've owned less of them than I have Android devices.
So I'm sorry but they've not only priced me out but they've offered a device that looks like every single other device I've seen. At this point only iOS is the benefit but after being on iOS 11 with all its magnificent bugs even on the GM, I'm no longer feeling that confident. Huge letters like I don't know I'm in an app? No way to shrink it either. Brilliant. YouTube red can't be run while using Tapatalk even though I'm paying for it to work in the background with ALL apps. Add in when I disconnected my watch and the damn widget in the notification bar got stuck.
I'm just over it. They don't offer gigabit ability, no band 71 for T-Mobile, increased prices for just about everything including wireless charging which you have to spend MORE money to use. Applecare +? Oh yeah. They must be really hurting being such a rich company! Poor thing.
Edit: and when I want to disable Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, etc I don't want to have to open settings to turn it the **** off!
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Agree, and without being luxury in many ways. Couldn't help but wondering HOW long all these new opened stores would last during the keynotes. Apple is different, very different in its values now comparing to when Steve was the boss.
I will still buy the products I find reasonably. That is quality.
I've be fan since the early 90's, don't consider myself that anymore.
I was curious about AW, if it grown to be something for me this upgrade.
Disappointed was an understatement. It's nothing more then qualified ****.
Charging it every day! And people have time to putting up with that & paying that money.
I can afford it, but I want value for money, not a toy that needs that kind of battery attention.
No another sports watch it will be.
And no Apple is not dead to me, yet.
But Steve's Apple don't exist anymore. It didn't take that many years for them to forget their roots.
And no they are not a luxury company, even if they many of them seem to think so.
And they are certainly not a visionary tech company either.
I don't know where to place them today....actually.
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Deeds nailed it 3 posts up^
I’m far from being a Samsung fan but agree with everything in his post. Right on, my sentiments precisely. I like my iPhone 7 a lot. It has a lot of good things going for it. But yeah, this is 2017. For a thousand bucks I’d like to have icon placement capability as well as some other simple features. Ya know if the X had this stuff and some other other simple features that make for a better experience I’d probably get one. And lose the damn swiping. I really detest having to remember all the swipes.
I’m far from being a Samsung fan but agree with everything in his post. Right on, my sentiments precisely. I like my iPhone 7 a lot. It has a lot of good things going for it. But yeah, this is 2017. For a thousand bucks I’d like to have icon placement capability as well as some other simple features. Ya know if the X had this stuff and some other other simple features that make for a better experience I’d probably get one. And lose the damn swiping. I really detest having to remember all the swipes.
Google Hangouts still is the closest competitor. Works on every device I have......
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Someone speaks the absolute truth. This is the point I try to get across. I get bashed all day here but I at least try to let them know they will gain a overall better experience with few limitations. You may be heavily involved with apple's ecosystem but their has come a time when that ecosystem started to fail you and it no longer makes any sense to stay with it when there are better devices out there with far more capabilities that actually do work smoothly now.
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Um.. No. 6gb of RAM, dual camera, etc. Didn't Apple just recently get away from 1gb of RAM?
I agree with this because my S7 edge was rock solid and stable and so is my S8+. Samsung has also been great about keeping the software updated. Every month or two an update has been dropping that seems to only improve the phone. I sure hope the Apple executives don't have their head in the sand when it comes to Samsung because they are one heck of a competitor. Android 7 and the Samsung Experience UX isn't the old buggy Touchwiz from 4-5 years ago. It's pretty darn slick and stable.
There is no doubt that the A11 chip will outperform the Snapdragon 835, but it's not like the 835 is slow or underpowered. It's still a beast and it's a battery sipper as well. The S8 has extremely good battery life.
I like Apple products and enjoy my iPad Air 2 and my iMac, but if anyone here believes that Samsung is building **** flagship phones right now they have no experience at all with them. The S8, S8+, and Note 8 are gorgeous and well built. The software is excellent as well. It's a different experience then iOS. In some ways better and some ways worse. The Samsungs are filled with neat little features like always on display, multiple ways to unlock, S pen in the Note, larger screen options, no notch, etc. They are a solid product.