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I think the 9.7 Pro will be discontinued.

I hope it is. And along with that I really hope they don't called the new Pros the "iPad Pro 2". Though I think the 2017 iPad just being called iPad (along with iPad Pro) is a pretty strong sign that they'll treat iPad lineup and naming similar to MacBooks.
 
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on June 5th
Including:
iPad Pro 10.5 A10X with IOS10.32
new iPad Pro 12.9 A10X with IOS10.32

I am in China and receive this message from some guy who seems to have a close relationship with Foxconn

Whoever this is, NOBODY BELIEVES that you work know somebody that works with Foxconn. #FakeNews
 
If they release a 10.5 pro it will be a first day purchase for me! My wife and I have been holding off for months waiting for it:D

I have the 9.7 pro and it was a beast, I used it for 4k drone video editing and it never had any slow down. I could render an 8 minute video in 3-4 minutes! My iMac would render the same video in 20-30 minutes with lag and slow down! I loved my iPad 9.7 Pro but it got stolen 2 months after I purchased it:mad:
 
The news of Apple releasing an iPad Pro at WWDC is interesting it's got me wondering why, if it's a new design why not just wait until September? WWDC for the past 3 years has been about software not hardware.
 
The news of Apple releasing an iPad Pro at WWDC is interesting it's got me wondering why, if it's a new design why not just wait until September? WWDC for the past 3 years has been about software not hardware.

iPad sales are in the gutter. People don't want to (or can't) drop $2k on a new phone and iPad in a matter of weeks. Pretty simple. Spread releases out and get more consistent income.
 
iPad sales are in the gutter. People don't want to (or can't) drop $2k on a new phone and iPad in a matter of weeks. Pretty simple. Spread releases out and get more consistent income.

I wouldn't exactly say in the gutter, i think the problem is that people keep their tablets for longer without upgrading much the same as with the Mac, people don't upgrade those ever year. The iPhone is a different story tho as some people do upgrade those every year. Ming-Chi-Kuo is very reliable so i will give it credit based on his report but i didn't believe or think that there would be an iPad at WWDC, maybe they have some iPad software features to show off on the new 10.5" iPad Pro.
 
The news of Apple releasing an iPad Pro at WWDC is interesting it's got me wondering why, if it's a new design why not just wait until September? WWDC for the past 3 years has been about software not hardware.

The better question is, why do you think Apple needs to wait until September?

If you think a thin bezel design is what defines the next generation of Apple products, then you clearly don't understand Apple at all.
 
The better question is, why do you think Apple needs to wait until September?

If you think a thin bezel design is what defines the next generation of Apple products, then you clearly don't understand Apple at all.

It's not what they need to do it's what they USUALLY do! If you know Apple you know they are creatures of habit, iPhones are September for example. Also a bezelless or even reduced bezels to the extent that they match the iPhone 8 would come AFTER the iPhone or at least during the same keynote but after Apple announced the iPhone 8, it's their most popular device along with their most profitable they are more likely to announce it on that device BEFORE anything else. Also Apple have never announced iPads at WWDC and now suddenly they are, what's the reason for change? Is the question I myself along with others are asking.
 
Everybody thought the new ipads will come with ios11 so that meant in fall. We still not sure. Lets see the event
 
It's not what they need to do it's what they USUALLY do! If you know Apple you know they are creatures of habit, iPhones are September for example. Also a bezelless or even reduced bezels to the extent that they match the iPhone 8 would come AFTER the iPhone or at least during the same keynote but after Apple announced the iPhone 8, it's their most popular device along with their most profitable they are more likely to announce it on that device BEFORE anything else. Also Apple have never announced iPads at WWDC and now suddenly they are, what's the reason for change? Is the question I myself along with others are asking.

A good point made.
 
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It's not what they need to do it's what they USUALLY do! If you know Apple you know they are creatures of habit, iPhones are September for example. Also a bezelless or even reduced bezels to the extent that they match the iPhone 8 would come AFTER the iPhone or at least during the same keynote but after Apple announced the iPhone 8, it's their most popular device along with their most profitable they are more likely to announce it on that device BEFORE anything else. Also Apple have never announced iPads at WWDC and now suddenly they are, what's the reason for change? Is the question I myself along with others are asking.

What do you mean by what Apple "usually" does?

  • iPad releases have previously been in March, April, September, October, and November.
  • MacBook releases have been in February, April, May, June, July, October, etc.
  • WWDC: previously announced products include iPhone 4, MacBook Air/Pro, Mac Pro

Get it? There's no "usually."

iPhone is the only Apple product with a relatively predictable launch cadence. You looked at iPhone, which represents 2/3 of Apple's revenue and assumed iPad would have a predictable schedule, even though it represents less than 10% of Apple's revenue.

A thin-bezel iPad design isn't all that you make it out to be. I still don't understand why you think it has to come after iPhone X? Is it because you think people will buy the 10.5" iPad Pro instead of iPhone X? Or that iPhone X has thin bezels, and that will be the only major selling feature of iPhone X?

Ask yourself, is thin-bezel what will sell iPhone X? Or is the whole user experience, including iOS 11, 3D cameras, OLED, in-display Touch ID, what will sell iPhone X?
 
i think if they keep the 9.7" dimensions but increase the display by shrinking down the bezels, i hope,next year,or maybe this year (but no rumours,means a little chance) to shrink down the dimensions of the bigger one,and keep the 12.9"
So,same idea ,but in this case,i think it will be a more ideal an 12.9" in an compact size than shrink down the bezels and increase the display size to 13.5" or whatever
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What do you mean by what Apple "usually" does?

  • iPad releases have previously been in March, April, September, October, and November.
  • MacBook releases have been in February, April, May, June, July, October, etc.
  • WWDC: previously announced products include iPhone 4, MacBook Air/Pro, Mac Pro

Get it? There's no "usually." iPhone is the only Apple product with a relatively predictable launch cadence. You looked at iPhone, which represents 2/3 of Apple's revenue and assumed iPad would have a predictable schedule, even though it represents less than 10% of Apple's revenue.

A thin-bezel iPad design isn't all that you make it out to be. I still don't understand why you think it has to come after iPhone X? Is it because you think people will buy the 10.5" iPad Pro instead of iPhone X? Or that iPhone X has thin bezels, and that will be the only major selling feature of iPhone X?

Ask yourself, is thin-bezel what will sell iPhone X? Or is the whole user experience, including iOS 11, 3D cameras, OLED, in-display Touch ID, what will sell iPhone X?
agreed, i think Apple could sell a lot of ipads now without any problems that can affect iphone 8. I would love a bezel less ipad with same touchid into the display...but i think its impossible into a LCD.
 
What do you mean by what Apple "usually" does?

  • iPad releases have previously been in March, April, September, October, and November.
  • MacBook releases have been in February, April, May, June, July, October, etc.
  • WWDC: previously announced products include iPhone 4, MacBook Air/Pro, Mac Pro

Get it? There's no "usually."

iPhone is the only Apple product with a relatively predictable launch cadence. You looked at iPhone, which represents 2/3 of Apple's revenue and assumed iPad would have a predictable schedule, even though it represents less than 10% of Apple's revenue.

A thin-bezel iPad design isn't all that you make it out to be. I still don't understand why you think it has to come after iPhone X? Is it because you think people will buy the 10.5" iPad Pro instead of iPhone X? Or that iPhone X has thin bezels, and that will be the only major selling feature of iPhone X?

Ask yourself, is thin-bezel what will sell iPhone X? Or is the whole user experience, including iOS 11, 3D cameras, OLED, in-display Touch ID, what will sell iPhone X?

You completely miss the point altogether, Apple holds events that are usually predicatable, WWDC being software for the last 3 years! September has been iPhone since the iPhone 4s which was October and Macs have been October time, yes they have thrown curveballs and announced products such as the iPad Pro 9.7' in March. By usually I mean what pattern they seem to follow and have followed for the last few years. Now do you get it? so there is a usually!

As for the thin bezel I'm not making it out to be anything, Apple's job is to show the products but they would not want to tout the bezel less design of an iPad BEFORE the iPhone if it has the same type of feature and they will obviously be touting it as a design change. I don't think people will buy an iPad Pro instead of the iPhone 8, they are two different products but Apple will want to announce the design change on the iPhone before the iPad, Touch ID was announced on the iPhone before the iPad for example.
 
You completely miss the point altogether, Apple holds events that are usually predicatable, WWDC being software for the last 3 years! September has been iPhone since the iPhone 4s which was October and Macs have been October time, yes they have thrown curveballs and announced products such as the iPad Pro 9.7' in March. By usually I mean what pattern they seem to follow and have followed for the last few years. Now do you get it? so there is a usually!

As for the thin bezel I'm not making it out to be anything, Apple's job is to show the products but they would not want to tout the bezel less design of an iPad BEFORE the iPhone if it has the same type of feature and they will obviously be touting it as a design change. I don't think people will buy an iPad Pro instead of the iPhone 8, they are two different products but Apple will want to announce the design change on the iPhone before the iPad, Touch ID was announced on the iPhone before the iPad for example.

Once again, you're trying to convince yourself there's a pattern when there isn't. I just listed out the product launch months of the iPad and MacBook, yet you still want to say "usually." Why aren't you looking at the hardware announcements at WWDC beyond the past 3 years? SMH...

If you can't explain how showing a thin-bezel iPad will materially affect the sales of iPhone X, then what's the point of your argument? Because sales is what it's ultimately about. The "feel good" argument of Apple launching a new design simultaneously on iPad and iPhone sounds nice, but it has a significant material impact. It means Apple would lose an entire sales quarter (June-September) of 10.5" iPad Pro sales just so they can wait for iPhone X to catch up. Given Apple's recent sales performance of the iPad category? No, Apple doesn't need more roadblocks to slow iPad sales further.
 
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Once again, you're trying to convince yourself there's a pattern when there isn't. I just listed out the product launch months of the iPad and MacBook, yet you still want to say "usually." Why aren't you looking at the hardware announcements at WWDC beyond the past 3 years? SMH...

If you can't explain how showing a thin-bezel iPad will materially affect the sales of iPhone X, then what's the point of your argument? Because sales is what it's ultimately about. The "feel good" argument of Apple launching a new design simultaneously on iPad and iPhone sounds nice, but it has a significant material impact. It means Apple would lose an entire sales quarter (June-September) of 10.5" iPad Pro sales just so they can wait for iPhone X to catch up. Given Apple's recent sales performance of the iPad category? No, Apple doesn't need more roadblocks to slow iPad sales further.

You clearly miss the point yet again! :rolleyes: There clearly is a pattern when you've even said beyond 3 years! That in itself is a pattern, even if you count 2013 it was the Mac Pro that was announced early but didn't launch. I think you are completely missing my point.
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You clearly miss the point yet again! :rolleyes: There clearly is a pattern when you've even said beyond 3 years! That in itself is a pattern, even if you count 2013 it was the Mac Pro that was announced early but didn't launch. I think you are completely missing my point.

Edit: I don't know why this has turned into a disagreement when I would love to see a new iPad Pro, I want to upgrade my 12.9" iPad Pro, but 1 of my previous points was that WWDC has never seen iPad hardware. Ming-Chi-Kuo is very reliable so I won't say it isn't going to happen.
 
You BOTH are missing the point... that being: you have different opinions that you have backed by supporting evidence. And because they're not opinions based on emotions you're not going to be persuaded to change that opinion. :)

Apple is less predictable today than they have been. Let's leave it at that.

The greatest take-away for Apple should be... unpredictability in their product cycles causes more confusion for their customers than for other tech companies. I don't see Lenovo customers hanging on every hint of a thread of a rumor for their next product releases. They're not strategizing how to time their purchases.

And maybe that's Apple's goal... wean customers off predictable timeline of releases.
 
You BOTH are missing the point... that being: you have different opinions that you have backed by supporting evidence. And because they're not opinions based on emotions you're not going to be persuaded to change that opinion. :)

Apple is less predictable today than they have been. Let's leave it at that.

The greatest take-away for Apple should be... unpredictability in their product cycles causes more confusion for their customers than for other tech companies. I don't see Lenovo customers hanging on every hint of a thread of a rumor for their next product releases. They're not strategizing how to time their purchases.

And maybe that's Apple's goal... wean customers off predictable timeline of releases.

Agreed! Maybe like you said that is Apple's goal, I guess we will find out in a few weeks. The iPad Pro 10.5" would be nice to see at WWDC especially if they also show off new iPad Pro software features. There are some that have been rumoured such as annotating in Safari and apps like Mail, messages and so on but otherwise it's been very quiet as to what will be announced in IOS 11 and MacOS.
 
Bottom line:
  • This rumor has considerably more credibility than expected.
  • Apple doesn't usually release iPads at WWDC but Apple has been known to be irregular before.
I think everyone should chill about a potential launch though. It's still a rumor, so we can be hopeful but also prepared to be disappointed (I think we've had a lot of practice on that front.
 
If this rumour is true, then we must expect next week or so,to see leaks of the chassis coming from China,mass manufacturing
 
I wouldn't exactly say in the gutter, i think the problem is that people keep their tablets for longer without upgrading much the same as with the Mac, people don't upgrade those ever year. The iPhone is a different story tho as some people do upgrade those every year. Ming-Chi-Kuo is very reliable so i will give it credit based on his report but i didn't believe or think that there would be an iPad at WWDC, maybe they have some iPad software features to show off on the new 10.5" iPad Pro.

Apple's not against showing features that won't be available at launch. They showed the portrait mode for the 7 when it wasn't available.
 
If there is a new 12.9" iPad Pro, it better do something amazing that my current 12.9" iPP can't do. Otherwise it'll be a hard sell to get me to drop $1200 on a new system. Not because I don't like the iPP, but because my current 12.9" model is so good. It hasn't been stumped yet.
 
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