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Honestly with his fixation on money, thinking BMWs and iPhones are 'luxury' I wouldn't be surprised if he was on minimum wage himself. It's not always the case, but I tend to find wealthier people are more frugal than middle class people and certainly don't feel the need to brag about it. They might buy the latest iPhone, but they will then keep it for 5 years or so. Even spendthrifts who earn big don't tend to have a great deal of wealth to their names, it goes on props for their instagram photos! :D
they used to consider this the difference between old money and new money.
 
they used to consider this the difference between old money and new money.
Yep though I now tend to find it's more of a gap between old money/ the genuinely wealthy (i.e. enough money to have a comfortable lifestyle without working) and the middle class strivers who have come from nothing want people to know they've 'made it'. The middle class people from traditionally middle class families also don't tend to play 'keeping up with the Jones'' so much as they also don't feel the need to 'establish' themselves.
 
Yep though I now tend to find it's more of a gap between old money/ the genuinely wealthy (i.e. enough money to have a comfortable lifestyle without working) and the middle class strivers who have come from nothing want people to know they've 'made it'. The middle class people from traditionally middle class families also don't tend to play 'keeping up with the Jones'' so much as they also don't feel the need to 'establish' themselves.
One of the richest people I knew said that people who are wealthy, are those that live of non-wage income. He also used to own a Ferrari before selling it to get a Prius. Said it was stupid to spend over 100k on car if it couldn't fly. strong logic.
 
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I just LOL at some of the sanctimonious posts here. I see tons of 10s out in the wild and all walks of life where I live here in DT Chicago. Heck, my dad got a 10 over the weekend through AT&T for $250 with trade in of his 7+ and obviously some other perks, I wasn't present when he got it. Quite a bit less than $1000. A woman in the office I rent space out of got her 10 a couple weeks ago and was flaunting it, walking down the entire hallway telling everyone "look what I just got", thinking she was so special. I wanted to do a Shawn Michaels super kick right to her chin. Tons of "casuals" are sporting the 10, hate to break it to the so-called "rich".

I also can't believe the guy here who actually thinks a Range Rover or BMW is a status symbol. Lol. BMW is bush league compared to Mercedes-AMG, McLaren, Ferrari, Lambo, to name a few. You are prob this guy:

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Is this Photoshopped or did Samsung actually get a guy to shave a "notch" into his hair for this commercial? :eek:
 
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I'd say 30 is a rather small sampling to make assumptions over. Love the iPhone X--upgraded from 6.

Yes, but the point is that it is symptomatic of issues with X desirability. With previous launches, there was a palpable interest in the next iPhone among this group. Now, there is a palpable lack of interest. I think this lack of interest is much more pervasive with the X compared to previous releases.

And now in this group, people feel even less inclined to upgrade based on the recent revelations about Apple proactively slowing down older phones. Apple can spend its big marketing dollars trying to justify this, but it is very suspicious and very invasive. Another example of the nanny state Apple has established for users of the iOS ecosystem.
 
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Yes, but the point is that it is symptomatic of issues with X desirability. With previous launches, there was a palpable interest in the next iPhone among this group. Now, there is a palpable lack of interest. I think this lack of interest is much more pervasive with the X compared to previous releases.
The release of the 8 and the X had nobody standing in lines at my local  store. The local news had reporters and cameras there and the big story they came away with was the fact that there were NO lines. First time that had ever happened locally.
 
I don't find the X to be too expensive and I think it's worth the money. I have been really happy with it. They may be losing out on potential X sales from people who can't afford it, but they still have plenty of more affordable options for people that prefer iOS. I don't think they are losing anyone. That's a big reason they offered choices this year.

I don't think there is any shortage of people who can afford the X - I think the issue is a lack of people who actually want it.

The smartphone is a very mature product now however, it's hard to see where it will go from here with any significant changes. I'd like to see more focus on the battery as is often mentioned. Better battery life and/or very fast charge times would be very useful for many users who use the device more as a tool than a toy.
 
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I don't think there is any shortage of people who can afford the X - I think the issue is a lack of people who actually want it.

The smartphone is a very mature product now however, it's hard to see where it will go from here with any significant changes. I'd like to see more focus on the battery as is often mentioned. Better battery life and/or very fast charge times would be very useful for many users who use the device more as a tool than a toy.

So you honestly think if the X cost $700, it wouldn't sell any better?
 
So you honestly think if the X cost $700, it wouldn't sell any better?
I’ve lost count of the amount of people I’ve discussed the X with and their response is ‘but isn’t it a thousand pounds?’. It’s clear if the price was lower it would be significantly more popular.

A lot of none tech savvy iPhone users will not take interest in products they have no intention of having. It’s pretty pointless to a lot of people. The high price is off putting.
 
I’ve lost count of the amount of people I’ve discussed the X with and their response is ‘but isn’t it a thousand pounds?’. It’s clear if the price was lower it would be significantly more popular.

A lot of none tech savvy iPhone users will not take interest in products they have no intention of having. It’s pretty pointless to a lot of people. The high price is off putting.

Exactly. In my eyes, it's all about the price, although I find the X to be worth the $500 I am spending on it. If you made the X the same price as the 8, it would sell a ton.
 
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Exactly. In my eyes, it's all about the price, although I find the X to be worth the $500 I am spending on it. If you made the X the same price as the 8, it would sell a ton.
If I could get it for $500 equivalent here it would be the cheapest iPhone I’d ever owned. I would be more than happy and I’m pretty sure every iPhone owner I know would have one! Sadly the base model is around $1350 here, ouch.
 
If I could get it for $500 equivalent here it would be the cheapest iPhone I’d ever owned. I would be more than happy and I’m pretty sure every iPhone owner I know would have one! Sadly the base model is around $1350 here, ouch.

Well I am technically just renting it for $500, but I like to upgrade every year.
 
The release of the 8 and the X had nobody standing in lines at my local  store. The local news had reporters and cameras there and the big story they came away with was the fact that there were NO lines. First time that had ever happened locally.

That happened here to in Seattle but for a different reason. Since Oregon is a tax exempt state and Washington honors that exemption Apple has required orders be done for instore pickup in the app.

So it was a waste to be queued up line. They did that for any state that honors tax exemption from another state.
 
I think there is some truth to this post.

The price of the X and this new throttling “issue” with ALL iPhones, or at least not hearing about it with other phones, is causing casual/long time iPhone users to look elsewhere.

I’ve had every iPhone since the beginning and even I’m considering what features would I be missing by switching to a pixel.

MY X IS GOING TO BE THROTTLED EVENTUALLY!
 
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That happened here to in Seattle but for a different reason. Since Oregon is a tax exempt state and Washington honors that exemption Apple has required orders be done for instore pickup in the app.

So it was a waste to be queued up line. They did that for any state that honors tax exemption from another state.
I don't understand what you are saying. Why would tax exemption matter to who lines up vs who orders through the app?
 
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I don't understand what you are saying. Why would tax exemption matter to who lines up vs who orders through the app?

Because in states where Tax exemption is recognized from other states Apple was not doing walk ins. Which means no more long lines unless you ordered via the app and since there was low stock there was no line around the corner like previous launches
 
The release of the 8 and the X had nobody standing in lines at my local  store. The local news had reporters and cameras there and the big story they came away with was the fact that there were NO lines. First time that had ever happened locally.

There were no lines because the lines are usually filled with desperate scalpers looking to get a $349 iPhone and sell it for huge money. Here in New York you could see entire Chinese families of mom, dad, kids, aunts, uncles, cousins each buying 3 phones and putting them in duffle bags, there were entire street gangs doing the same thing.

With the X, they don't have the $1250 per phone it takes to scalp effectively, and these are a hard sell on Craigslist and eBay to people not affiliated with the sketchy underground. Thus no lines.
 
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The fact that the iPhone X has sold 35 MILLION UNITS in under 8 weeks and generated $43 BILLION DOLLARS in revenue should be a clue that a post about the X "not selling well" is not only hysterical it's also utterly embarrassing.

Every company in America should have such problems, to have 1 SKU generate more revenue in two months than the entirety of Amazon.com does in a quarter. LOL.

You should stop 'saying' and start listening.
 
There were no lines because the lines are usually filled with desperate scalpers looking to get a $349 iPhone and sell it for huge money. Here in New York you could see entire Chinese families of mom, dad, kids, aunts, uncles, cousins each buying 3 phones and putting them in duffle bags, there were entire street gangs doing the same thing.

With the X, they don't have the $1250 per phone it takes to scalp effectively, and these are a hard sell on Craigslist and eBay to people not affiliated with the sketchy underground. Thus no lines.

Not true, there were long lines at every Apple store in Manhattan. I ended up in one outside the Grand Central Store on the X launch. It was a mix of average New Yorkers and the foreign speaking families who ended up each buying the max 2 units per person, in cash. I saw one of them with an Apple associate, with the Apple associate counting the cash which was in $20s too, whilst rolling her eyes. It was definitely an experience. See pics attached.
 

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The fact that the iPhone X has sold 35 MILLION UNITS in under 8 weeks and generated $43 BILLION DOLLARS in revenue should be a clue that a post about the X "not selling well" is not only hysterical it's also utterly embarrassing.

Every company in America should have such problems, to have 1 SKU generate more revenue in two months than the entirety of Amazon.com does in a quarter. LOL.

You should stop 'saying' and start listening.

It's about meeting continued very high expectations. This is what is starting to drive Apple, rather than great products. They are beginning to substitute hype for substace. We all know their profitabilty is great for now. But on their current path, how long will that last? Shareholder expectations are influencing decisons.
 
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It's about meeting continued very high expectations. This is what is starting to drive Apple, rather than great products. They are beginning to substitute hype for substace. We all know their profitabilty is great for now. But on their current path, how long will that last? Shareholder expectations are influencing decisons.

You need to better understand Consumer Electronics history. When great new gamechanging products emerge they go through a very predictable cycle. AM radios, 78 RPM record players, calculators, digital clock radios, home telephones, VCR's, personal computers, film cameras, video games, cassette players, record players, CD players, camcorders, they all followed the same script. Smartphones are no exception.

The first phase is adoption, getting an audience for the product, getting it sold. The next phase is expansion, watching as competitors enter the space, innovating and copying others ideas. After that comes mass consumption, where prices drop and new discount channels are opened. The product explodes, every consumer has to have one and every retailer wants to satisfy them.

Years later, we enter the saturation phase where sales growth starts to halt and consumers stop buying as aggressively because they already own the product and it's good enough. And it's at this phase where the surviving manufacturers batten down the hatches, curtail innovation, and stop the bloody pricing war and raise their prices so that they can maintain their profitability when sales units drop off sharply. This is the phase iPhone has entered, taking pricepoints up, reducing R&D spending, making sure each phone makes maximum profit in a phase where fewer units are going to be sold. Take that $349 iPhone 6 and make it into a $1250 iPhone X. Weather the storm for a few years, wait for the next big tech breakthru, that must-have feature that will jump-start smartphone sales again, and then go back to that expansion phase and enter another price war.

Most recently, this happened in the HDTV realm. 2005 plasma HDTV's starting gaining momentum. 2007 LCD's brought the prices down. 2008 thru 2010 dramatic expansion as every household in the world bought an HD panel. 2011 the failed attempt with 3D to jump-start the industry. 2015 the infusion of 4K panels which are leading growth in the category for the first time in nearly half a decade.

Shareholders understand what phase Apple is in, these blips with stock corrections and dramatic statements from a few analysts are inconsequential. And guess what? Apple is in a better place than, say, Samsung. Apple has deliberately delayed certain innovations like facial recognition, wireless charging, and OLED screens, this stuff is brand new to iPhone users. It's old news to Android. So on the product lifecycle Android is the one in trouble, not iPhone. Apple has a few years before everyone in an 8 or an X gets bored.
 
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The real test now the initial demand has cleared is if the demand for the X continues well into next year. Suggestions are saying it’s slowed down in the run up to Christmas and predictions are saying perhaps only 25m units will be sold next quarter.

Revenue means nothing if demand is not sustained and the X needs to be popular in the long term not just for the quick buck. Demand for the 8 was lukewarm and that is the device aimed at the core iPhone user. Despite Apple making billions they can’t ignore the fact they haven’t generated the same buzz as previous years. The X is too expensive and the 8 is too much of the same.
 
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