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sarc

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Still a ways off, but I'm looking forward for an actually decent opportunity to travel with Apple Maps. To date, my use case has been to and from work. Don't need the directions, so my use is mainly for traffic issues...and just to see what Apple's been up to! That being said, we are hosting a foreign exchange student in the upcoming school year and she has mentioned wanting to travel during school breaks. (Totally fine by us! Before COVID, that's how breaks were spent. Fingers crossed, it'll be great to get back to that)! And by travel...she specified road trips.

Of course, here I am, being a Maps geek and thinking "SWEET, I actually get to really try out these Maps now, for REAL"! I need to start compiling a list of potential places to go ?
This would be a great reason to use 'My Guides' within the maps app. You can even share them once created.
 
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This would be a great reason to use 'My Guides' within the maps app. You can even share them once created.
Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking! Not counting summer break, the breaks during the school year in our district range anywhere from the occasional long weekend to two weeks (winter break). Spring break is only a week. Thanksgiving break is 5 days. We can populate the shorter ones with quick trips to neighboring states and then pick a farther state for the longer breaks. The problem with neighboring states…is I live in the Midwest, so the scenery is pretty similar for quite some distance from home ?
 
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gwhizkids

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Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking! Not counting summer break, the breaks during the school year in our district range anywhere from the occasional long weekend to two weeks (winter break). Spring break is only a week. Thanksgiving break is 5 days. We can populate the shorter ones with quick trips to neighboring states and then pick a farther state for the longer breaks. The problem with neighboring states…is I live in the Midwest, so the scenery is pretty similar for quite some distance from home

Corn, corn and more corn…
 

MozMan68

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Well not in the winter, no!
The stretch from Regina South to the border crossing in North Dakota was brutal the second day in the morning...blowing snow and black ice constantly across the 2-lane "highway" where I think I was the only car for hours on end.

Once I hit the USA, the sun came out, the roads were smoother...hah!

FYI...Apple Maps performed flawlessly the entire trip!
 
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MozMan68

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Oh…and my precious cargo for the 2.5 day drive…

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This is Oscar…his sister, Margo, went to my breeder that lives close by.
 

iOS Geek

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This would be a great reason to use 'My Guides' within the maps app. You can even share them once created.
So I'm looking through the already existing Guides (looking through those to see if anything catches my eye and sending some info to our student to see what she thinks). Also going around the country and making my own guides based off places I've taken my wife and daughter in the past.

I came across some guides for Glacier National Park. The first one I looked into was about "best hikes". WOW!!! I'm kind of hoping she's interested in this one! Just looking at the pictures in the guide makes me hate myself for never going there before!
 

MozMan68

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I e enjoyed setting up a few Guides. One is “Diners, Drive-ins & Dives” restaurants I want to visit if I am in those cities. I also created a new one for an area I am most likely moving to this summer. It’s so easy to do…a nice way to file points if interests and share as well.
 

iOS Geek

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I e enjoyed setting up a few Guides. One is “Diners, Drive-ins & Dives” restaurants I want to visit if I am in those cities. I also created a new one for an area I am most likely moving to this summer. It’s so easy to do…a nice way to file points if interests and share as well.
Yeah it isn't really something I've used before (no traveling, thanks covid)! I'm actually having some fun setting up my own and I'm REALLY liking the curated ones. They're calling out things I probably wouldn't have even noticed on my own...even in areas I'm very familiar with!
 

G1Ravage

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Ok, not on topic for Maps, but since you said you have the 5 Series...I gotta ask about the Carkey thing! Are you using it? Or can you not because you're only renting?
Nah, the rental didn't come with that functionality, as far as I can tell.

It *did* apparently have that "finger gesture" function for controlling things like audio volume. My fiance kept accidentally setting it off. lol
 

Benni14

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It'll be interesting to see if Look Around for Germany is released all at once. Just looking at maps in general, it looks like their road network is absolutely MASSIVE. That's a lot of data to sift through.
In my opinion, this is not the question of whether the German road network is massive. But rather to know what Apple wants for Germany. Look around model as in the United States and the United Kingdom or Canada, Portugal, Spain, Italy and Australia. Justin O'Beirne explained this very well.
 
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In my opinion, this is not the question of whether the German road network is massive. But rather to know what Apple wants for Germany. Look around model as in the United States and the United Kingdom or Canada, Portugal, Spain, Italy and Australia. Justin O'Beirne explained this very well.
It probably won’t come to Germany since so many people wanted to pixelate their houses. (About 10 years ago when street view came to Germany) Maybe that has changed since, but I doubt that apple wants negative publicity.
 
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G1Ravage

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I have a few minutes, so I wanted to share some CarPlay observations from my time in Vegas.

I don't know how many folks here use CarPlay regularly to be able to make similar observations. But I've mentioned a few times that ever since the update to iOS 15, the camera while navigating on Maps on CarPlay has been inconsistent. Whether you're in a City Experience area or not, there are two distinct camera "modes" that can load at the start of a route, and which one you get seems to be completely random.

I'll try to explain them each in more detail so you'll know what I'm talking about, and you can see which one you're seeing on CarPlay more often:

MODE A

-When starting route, and before moving your car, the starting position of the camera will be zoomed out quite a bit.
-Behaves more like pre-iOS 15 Maps.
-Camera angle on local roads is zoomed out a bit more, points more towards the horizon.
-When roughly 0.3 miles from a turn, camera zooms out and switches to the top-down view. Zoom out is enough to temporarily lose 3D buildings, but your upcoming turn will always be visible. Camera slowly zooms in as you approach the turn, but not too closely.
-In City Experience, lane line details will *not* be visible during normal driving on local roads or highways. Typically only becomes visible when the camera zooms in approaching a turn, or on highways when you enter junction view.
-When arriving at your destination, the camera switches to top-down, but doesn't really zoom in much.

MODE B

-When starting route, and before moving your car, the starting position of the camera will be zoomed in quite a bit, making the nearby roads appear larger in detail.
-I personally believe Mode B is the intended camera mode for the new map detail.
-Camera angle on local roads is zoomed in a bit more, and is angled more downward.
-When roughly 1,500 feet from a turn, the camera switches to the top-down view but does *not* zoom out. Thus, you can't see the turn up ahead until you get closer to it. But once the turn is visible, the camera zooms in closer and closer until you're at the intersection. This super-close zoom shows off massive detail in the City Experience areas, and is thus why I feel this is the intended camera mode.
-In City Experience, lane line details are visible most of the time while driving on local roads, except in situations where the camera zooms out a bit more, such as on secondary roads, or State Routes. On highways, the zoom level is a bit more "in", but is usually sitting just outside the line of being able to see lane markings as such. However, as the camera moves about during normal driving, it sometimes zooms in slightly, making lane markings and trees visible for a time.
-When arriving at your destination, the camera switches to top-down, and zooms in very close as you approach.

Now that the explanation is out of the way....

In my car, Mode A is what I see 95% of the time when loading a route. However, as I mentioned once before, I can *glitch* Apple Maps into Mode B by starting a route, getting Mode A, unplugging my phone from the car, and then plugging it back in. This works 100% of the time, because I have wired CarPlay only. I very rarely get Mode B right off the bat, but it seems to happen more often if I'm starting a route that will take me either into or out of a City Experience area.

Now, taking into consideration what I'm seeing living in a City Experience area (New York City), the appearance of Maps on CarPlay is quite different to what you see on the phone. If you're driving in a City Experience area, turn your phone horizontal, and you'll see a big difference as well. When the phone is vertical, you see a good amount of lane detail at all times, even on the highways. But turning the phone horizontal adjusts the camera angle toward the horizon, zooming out more, and losing some of the road detail.

We know that Apple Maps adjusts automatically for the size and style of screens in cars. So my experience could differ from yours, as I have a very wide screen with limited vertical real estate, while I see a lot of standard square screens here.

When we finally got the City Experience onto CarPlay, I posted here that the junction view was broken. The camera *would* drop in behind the car for a straight-ahead view, but it wasn't zooming in properly while doing so, resulting in no world detail popping in. That was in Mode A. However, switching to Mode B resulted in the junction view looking normal, as it does on the phone.

After complaining to Apple about the busted junction view, they fixed it, making it look normal on Mode A (if not still zoomed out perhaps a bit too much...you still don't see as many trees). However, whatever they did to fix the junction view on Mode A made it zoom in waaay too much on Mode B.

There's also the issue of the size of the POI icons and such on CarPlay. The size of the POIs and road labels is in no way dependent on being in Mode A or Mode B, because map labels are on screen even when you aren't navigating.

98% of the time, I get the tiny labels when entering Maps on CarPlay. I can sometimes make the labels bigger by exiting CarPlay to my car's main menu, unplugging and replugging the phone, and then going back into CarPlay. This works maybe 65 to 75% of the time. (But glitching it into Mode B makes the icons go small again.) iOS 14 also had this problem with the map label sizes, but it was fixed by around iOS 14.4 or so.

I just spent a few days in Las Vegas driving around in a BMW 5-series with a large screen and wireless CarPlay. Because the CarPlay was wireless, I was unable to perform any glitching to try and change things.

Interestingly, during my few days in Vegas in this BMW, CarPlay navigation loaded into camera Mode B 99% of the time! I was startled by this. It only loaded into Mode A on one trip. I began wondering if the car's head unit had something to do with how Maps was behaving. When I came back to New York and back into my normal car, Maps was still defaulting to Mode A all the time.

Also while in Vegas, the POI icons were tiny, and I was unable to change that. I'll throw up some photos in my next post.
 
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G1Ravage

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Mode A (day) vs Mode B (night) — note the crosswalks visible only in Mode B.
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Junction view in Mode A vs Mode B:
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Now check this…junction view in Mode B full screen, vs Mode B on the dashboard! It looks normal on the dashboard!
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And the rest of my Vegas photos. All Mode B unless otherwise noted.

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And these two are Mode A:
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Back to Mode B:
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G1Ravage

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Okay, a few more observations:

-With the wireless CarPlay in the BMW, CarPlay was *not* playing any audio from notifications, such as incoming text messages, even if my phone was *not* in vibrate.

-If I plugged in the phone to charge, sounds would *sometimes* play, but not always.

-On the BMW CarPlay, the "blue selection cursor" would always rest on the up arrow to the right of the ETA bar, no matter what I did. On my Genesis, so long as I leave the blue selection cursor on one of the right side buttons that vanish when you don't touch anything (such as the route overview), the cursor disappears along with it.

-Both in Vegas and here in New York, the feature where Maps zooms out during heavy traffic only works on certain highways, and not others. Very weird.
 
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