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calmelb

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Posted in another thread…bringing up a city now shows “Atlas” type data at the top of the guide.

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Think New Delhi’s population is off by a large factor
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Is that only for newer maps or available everywhere?
Available for all maps
 

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I'm on vacation now for two and a half weeks. I'm so tempted to get iOS 15 somehow and go driving everywhere with it, but it wouldn't really benefit me right now here in New York City. Just have to be patient for the next three months or so....
 

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Maybe it’s just iPad then? I don’t get that info on my iPad running the latest iOS 14 beta.
You misunderstand. Not the iOS version but the maps (data) version. E.g. Germany still has the ancient vanilla maps, my question was whether this data is available for all detail levels or just newer maps. Seems to be available even for old V1 maps.
 

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You misunderstand. Not the iOS version but the maps (data) version. E.g. Germany still has the ancient vanilla maps, my question was whether this data is available for all detail levels or just newer maps. Seems to be available even for old V1 maps.
Yep....and what I'm saying is that it isn't available on iPad Maps (new Maps area), which is strange to me. And just checked an iPhone that is on like iOS 13 (don't ask) and it doesn't come up on there.

That's why I said earlier I think it is an iOS 15 thing.

@calmelb can you confirm what you stated above? You are seeing it on iOS 14 Maps as well? I think not...

So...what I'm saying...the INFO is available globally whether it is a new Maps area or not, but you can only see it if you are on iOS 15...does that make sense? And it's wrong anyway (in some cities) it seems...hah!
 
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@calmelb can you confirm what you stated above? You are seeing it on iOS 14 Maps as well? I think not...

So...what I'm saying...the INFO is available globally whether it is a new Maps area or not, but you can only see it if you are on iOS 15...does that make sense? And it's wrong anyway (in some cities) it seems...hah!

I haven’t tested on iOS 14 (so I’m presuming it’s iOS 15 Only) but yes its available globally regardless of map detail (india, china, other Asian cities, Australian cities (even small towns), etc I tested)
 
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I haven’t tested on iOS 14 (so I’m presuming it’s iOS 15 Only) but yes its available globally regardless of map detail (india, china, other Asian cities, Australian cities (even small towns), etc I tested)
Wow..you're correct! I didn't even think to try it on small towns. It may not have all of the data (like population) but it puts in what it does have.
 

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What a day!!
In Santa Cruz California and decide to use Apple Map Directions to get around town.
Not a happy camper.
Using on 12 ProMax
1. Would verbally tell me a left or right turn when actually in the intersection
2. When do a reroute, would continually repeat the last instruction
3. When rerouting it did not choose the shortest or most efficient route.
4. wanted quickest route from Santa Cruz to Napa via east side of the Bay. Twice the route was changed by the app to a non-toll highway even though I do not have the Avoid Toll route checked in Settings > Maps.

Google Maps worked quite well.
I'll give Apple Maps a couple more tries over the next couple of days. hopefully it was just a bad day for AM.
 
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What a day!!
In Santa Cruz California and decide to use Apple Map Directions to get around town.
Not a happy camper.
Using on 12 ProMax
1. Would verbally tell me a left or right turn when actually in the intersection
2. When do a reroute, would continually repeat the last instruction
3. When rerouting it did not choose the shortest or most efficient route.
4. wanted quickest route from Santa Cruz to Napa via east side of the Bay. Twice the route was changed by the app to a non-toll highway even though I do not have the Avoid Toll route unchecked in Settings > Maps.

Google Maps worked quite well.
I'll give Apple Maps a couple more tries over the next couple of days. hopefully it was just a bad day for AM.
You are on the iOS 15 Beta?

EDIT: Sorry...just saw you posted in the beta thread.
 
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Am on 15.
Was doing okay for me on14.7 beta in and around Los Angeles. Was hoping for good results this trip.
Oops.
I hate when I say this...but...hard restart?

Your issues seem process related mostly and not "data" based.

I'll say this much, iOS 15 has been about as smooth on my phone as could be. It's like I have all the new stuff with zero downside.

Maps for me has also been nothing but spectacular (particularly on iOS 15). POI's always come up when I search, directions/routing are spot on...it's almost scary how good it is (or how lucky I am) ;)
 

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I hate when I say this...but...hard restart?

Your issues seem process related mostly and not "data" based.

I'll say this much, iOS 15 has been about as smooth on my phone as could be. It's like I have all the new stuff with zero downside.

Maps for me has also been nothing but spectacular (particularly on iOS 15). POI's always come up when I search, directions/routing are spot on...it's almost scary how good it is (or how lucky I am) ;)
I’d recommend this as well. Basically every issue I’ve had on this beta so far (which is very few) have been fixed by restarting. Though worth mentioning that for some of the issues, it’s been a temporary fix.

Of the issues I’m having, I really can’t think of anything related to Maps, minus an occasional flicker whenever the 3D models pop. For such a huge change, it’s actually given me the LEAST trouble!
 

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I hate when I say this...but...hard restart?

Your issues seem process related mostly and not "data" based.

I'll say this much, iOS 15 has been about as smooth on my phone as could be. It's like I have all the new stuff with zero downside.

Maps for me has also been nothing but spectacular (particularly on iOS 15). POI's always come up when I search, directions/routing are spot on...it's almost scary how good it is (or how lucky I am) ;)

I did the hard restart .. no help.
Data seems good. It is the execution of Directions that is the issue.
Did a small test this morning and it tells me to "turn right on ..." when I am already in the intersection. Far too late.
Then while it is calculating a reroute it keeps repeating "turn right on ..." every couple of seconds.

Whacky
 

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I did the hard restart .. no help.
Data seems good. It is the execution of Directions that is the issue.
Did a small test this morning and it tells me to "turn right on ..." when I am already in the intersection. Far too late.
Then while it is calculating a reroute it keeps repeating "turn right on ..." every couple of seconds.

Whacky
It happened in the past when new Maps was first rolled out (in the beta)...there was a bunch of stuff like that being "off"...including traffic showing where there was no traffic...like the data was delayed in being processed.

Hopefully, just a beta issue and not an overall Maps issue. I haven't experienced any of those issues so far, thankfully.
 
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It happened in the past when new Maps was first rolled out (in the beta)...there was a bunch of stuff like that being "off"...including traffic showing where there was no traffic...like the data was delayed in being processed.

Hopefully, just a beta issue and not an overall Maps issue. I haven't experienced any of those issues so far, thankfully.

Thanks!
I am hoping for better results on the trip home

UPDATE:
Did a small route from Napa to St. Helens and both Apple Maps and Google Maps took me on a round about path instead of straight up the 29/128.
Something wonky is going on...
 
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Dunk the Lunk

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Thanks!
I am hoping for better results on the trip home

UPDATE:
Did a small route from Napa to St. Helens and both Apple Maps and Google Maps took me on a round about path instead of straight up the 29/128.
Something wonky is going on...

Im not on the Beta, but normally iOS gives you (three) different route options at the start of a journey. Are you seeing these and if so are you checking them to try to understand why it’s routing you a particular way? When I asked for the route between *Starbucks* in the centre of Napa and *Saint Helena* three different ones were given, with only four minutes difference between them. Depending on exactly where you are going to/from this could make the difference even less. The fact that both iOS and Google sent you the same way presumably means there was issue on the ‘main route’, or the traffic data source was telling them there was an issue, even if there wasn’t.
 

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Test drove a vehicle with a super-wide screen today, and played with CarPlay.

While everything gets stretched out a bit, and you can definitely see more of the map unobstructed while navigating, there was ZERO difference in when 3D buildings would appear whilst zooming in from afar. So that was slightly disappointing. Two pictures from my normal-sized screen, and two from the wider screen.

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The extra wideness I’m sure is beneficial, but I wonder if I’m losing too much from the top and bottom. ?

Damn, now that I'm comparing the two sizes side-by-side, it looks like the camera has to zoom OUT a bit on the wider screen, just to show me the same approximate distance ahead of me, due to the shorter vertical size. Also, Apple, WHY does the ETA bar on the lower left need to stretch out so far? That's a waste of space. lol

Oh, now I'm also noticing on the wider screen that the directions box on the upper left is arranged differently, to maximize space, also due to the shorter vertical range. Hmm.
 
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Im not on the Beta, but normally iOS gives you (three) different route options at the start of a journey. Are you seeing these and if so are you checking them to try to understand why it’s routing you a particular way? When I asked for the route between *Starbucks* in the centre of Napa and *Saint Helena* three different ones were given, with only four minutes difference between them. Depending on exactly where you are going to/from this could make the difference even less. The fact that both iOS and Google sent you the same way presumably means there was issue on the ‘main route’, or the traffic data source was telling them there was an issue, even if there wasn’t.

That is what I saw similarly onboth maps. However when starting directions, it took me down the 128 east to Silverado.
Whacked.

On a side note, I used Apple Maps coming back from Golden Gate Bridge to Ghirardelli Square and then back the 101 South on ramp. Couldn’t do it. It would not let me just choose my end route. I had to reverse it. Choose the end point, hit directions, then choos my starting point. Google maps does allow ad hoc end points. Or am I missing something?
 

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That is what I saw similarly onboth maps. However when starting directions, it took me down the 128 east to Silverado.
Whacked.

On a side note, I used Apple Maps coming back from Golden Gate Bridge to Ghirardelli Square and then back the 101 South on ramp. Couldn’t do it. It would not let me just choose my end route. I had to reverse it. Choose the end point, hit directions, then choos my starting point. Google maps does allow ad hoc end points. Or am I missing something?

If your car was pointing the opposite direction to which Maps was expecting you to start moving it may have instantly rerouted without you noticing because you were heading east to towards Silverado and it may have calculated it was quicker to go that way, rather than attempting a U turn or to go round some blocks.

I have NEVER known it to change a route on a selected route unless I’ve a) ignored the route (either intentionally or accidentally) and gone a different way myself or b) it’s calculated a quicker route which it will do automatically, but it gives you a few seconds to hit ‘ignore’.

Re your adhoc points issue I’m not sure exactly what you’re saying. If you drop a pin anywhere on a map Maps always give you a directions button even if it’s not near a road.

Personally I always prefer this method as while Apple Maps routing is generally excellent I still don’t trust the pins and postcodes are too broad in rural locations in the UK where I live. I don’t trust Google’s pins either after a bitter experience 10 years ago trying to find an IKEA!
 

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I read this morning that Italy had entered testing. Justin has updated his post to say that is NOT the case, but he does say that there is "something" that seems to be going on.


Justin is correct. The Redditors jumped the gun. What they were seeing was just the extra patches of green you could always see while navigating, much like we had here in the US before we got the new maps.
 
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