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Apple Music / iCloud Music Library has made a right old mess of my iTunes library :(
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You shouldn't need iCloud Music Library to download stuff to your Apple Music. That's just insane. It really should be kept separate as I thought that was the purchase of the My Library and Apple Music tabs.
When you do a search, it should automatically check both places in case it's not in AM. The results should give you a list with the Profile icon to indicate that it's your file, or an Apple Logo icon to indicate it's an Apple Music file.
If I just want to listen to what I have, I should just be able to flip the switch the My Library tab, then have all my albums and playlists available just like I have them in iTunes.
Yes on my iMac. I just created a new iTunes Library with everything enabled, but I don't have my personal files in it. Screw that (for now).
Spotify must be smiling mighty damn big.
When you do a search, it should automatically check both places in case it's not in AM. The results should give you a list with the Profile icon to indicate that it's your file, or an Apple Logo icon to indicate it's an Apple Music file.
If I just want to listen to what I have, I should just be able to flip the switch the My Library tab, then have all my albums and playlists available just like I have them in iTunes.
Yes on my iMac. I just created a new iTunes Library with everything enabled, but I don't have my personal files in it. Screw that (for now).
Spotify must be smiling mighty damn big.
Apple really over-engineered Apple Music IMO. I've lost interest in it by just reading these complaints. I had expected to sign up and use it along side (key words) of my owned music, but the integration is overkill, and seemingly poorly implemented. The 2 deal killers for me:
1) iCloud Music Library - Having to turn it on to download music, and thus being required to match owned music to the cloud, just seems too risky given the stories I am reading. If Apple Music has 30 mil + songs, then what most people have in their personal libraries should be minuscule relative to Apple's overall catalog. If I really need certain songs uploaded to the cloud, I should be able to do that 1-off as needed. Seems like they overcomplicated it by forcing the library matching.
2) Family Sharing - It is convoluted, and mixing that requirement for Apple Music with other App Store purchases won't work well for many people. I would personally rather pay separate monthly fees for AM if it comes to that.
1) iCloud Music Library - Having to turn it on to download music, and thus being required to match owned music to the cloud, just seems too risky given the stories I am reading. If Apple Music has 30 mil + songs, then what most people have in their personal libraries should be minuscule relative to Apple's overall catalog. If I really need certain songs uploaded to the cloud, I should be able to do that 1-off as needed. Seems like they overcomplicated it by forcing the library matching.
2) Family Sharing - It is convoluted, and mixing that requirement for Apple Music with other App Store purchases won't work well for many people. I would personally rather pay separate monthly fees for AM if it comes to that.
When will this disaster finally get a MacRumors front page article to raise awareness?
I'm a little slow but I just figured out what you guys are saying. I never activated iCloud Music on my computer but I did on my phone. Are you saying that once I did that (and I downloaded some stuff for offline playing) that it replaced the *other* stuff that was already on my phone--some of which was in lossless format--with inferior copies!?
Edit: Anyone? Do I have this right? If so, this is incredible.
Edit: Anyone? Do I have this right? If so, this is incredible.
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The only thing that sucks about my setup up is that I can't have access to some artists because they are not available even though they sell music in the iTunes Store. Today, Prince just became unavailable since he pulled his catalog and now I have an empty playlist that I had for him - it was there last night. Tame Impala is now missing from a playlist that I had with their new songs too. I can forget about listening to my Beatles playlists as well. This wouldn't be an issue if AM worked along side my library properly.
All this does is simply highlight the reason renting your music is a bad idea. I may be old school, but I never had trouble making playlists or worried about getting certain music pulled when I bought the actual media. Renting is a bad idea. I'll give it this weekend to keep playing with it, but I may be going back to the old way of doing things. It just works.
After two days, I've completely given up. Apple Music in its current implementation is simply a disaster. Why Apple requires matching my music is just beyond me. I'm keeping iCloud Music Library off on my local library and will just be working on a purely streaming basis in another iTunes library for the foreseeable future until Apple can figure out how to properly integrate my local library with Apple Match without wreaking havoc.
Yeah, the whole Apple Music thing is taking a dark turn. I subscribe to itunes match
I was listening to a "for You" playlist it happened to have a song I already own on it.
In itunes it changed the cloud status of song from "Matched" to "Apple Music"
The significance is it will have DRM all over it when I cancel apple music
I think I am done with apple music
I was listening to a "for You" playlist it happened to have a song I already own on it.
In itunes it changed the cloud status of song from "Matched" to "Apple Music"
The significance is it will have DRM all over it when I cancel apple music
I think I am done with apple music
I've had some of these same issues. I had to nuke my old iTunes library and start new due to numerous problems, crashing, etc. So in my new library, there were tons of duplicates, I assume due to the stuff that had already uploaded in the old library. So in trying to delete duplicates, I ended up downloading stuff from iCloud that I had already owned. It comes back as an Apple Music AAC audio file. Very bad.
So I escalated up to a senior advisor in support chat. I went over all the things I did and what's happening. After I reiterated that re-ripping CDs is out of the question in general, we went over some other things. She suggested turning off iCloud Library on OSX. I can do that but then I can't sync music to my iPhone anymore if I continue on with Apple Music, since it is required. If you have Apple Music, iCloud Music Library is required on the iOS device, which means you can not sync locally...you need to turn in iCloud Music Library on OSX as well. And in turning off iCloud Music Library on OSX, I've lost the files that were mine, now labeled Apple Music AAC. (Yes, I do have a back up and in the process of fixing.) It happens even w/ music I've purchased from iTunes, albums that are definitely not in iTunes that I've uploaded, etc.
Anyway, she finally realized this is a problem and said she's escalating up to the engineers. When I get an update from them, I'll post back here.
So I escalated up to a senior advisor in support chat. I went over all the things I did and what's happening. After I reiterated that re-ripping CDs is out of the question in general, we went over some other things. She suggested turning off iCloud Library on OSX. I can do that but then I can't sync music to my iPhone anymore if I continue on with Apple Music, since it is required. If you have Apple Music, iCloud Music Library is required on the iOS device, which means you can not sync locally...you need to turn in iCloud Music Library on OSX as well. And in turning off iCloud Music Library on OSX, I've lost the files that were mine, now labeled Apple Music AAC. (Yes, I do have a back up and in the process of fixing.) It happens even w/ music I've purchased from iTunes, albums that are definitely not in iTunes that I've uploaded, etc.
Anyway, she finally realized this is a problem and said she's escalating up to the engineers. When I get an update from them, I'll post back here.
This is how it should have worked:
1) Apple Music for all the stations, curated playlists, social connects, and anything you don't have but want to listen to. This actually works as its suppose to from what I'm seeing other than some "add to playlists" and "love" bugs.
2) iCloud Music Library = My Library which simply adds to AM without touching the way its set up. How files are named, where they are locally, artwork, other meta tags are left untouched. This should work like iTunes Match frankly. Whatever iTunes doesn't have simply gets uploaded.
3) Any available song from AM or IML can be added to a playlists or loved. This should be seemless.
4) Searching for a song/artist/album should first give results to let users know which item belongs to who, an icon should be displayed next to the song title: The Apple logo should be used if it's an AM track, or the Profile icon if it's yours. For example, The Beatles or Prince should have the Profile icon to let me know that it's my track. We can even make more simple by assuming all songs are AM's unless there's the Profile icon.
5) Anything downloaded to your make from AM for offline use should be put in a separate folder in the Finder for iTunes. That way users don't accidentally delete something they own because it's mixed in with your media files. Users should know anything in this folder is DRM'd to the gills. Call the folder Apple Music Protected Downloads or something.
6) Any downloads that come from a users library should remain DRM free, just like iTunes Match, yet put in a separate folder (your regular iTunes Media folder IF it's not already there), away from AM.
7) For iTunes, there should be tabs for "My Music", "Apple Music", and "All Music", depending on what view you want to see. Simply throwing everything into one is a recipe for disaster and alot of pissed off users. Especially when I see that you've replaced and renamed my tracks and they are now DRM'd. Makes me think there's a conspiracy going on. There's no reason for you to be replacing my stuff with yours.
The integration should have been seemless. My personal collection should have NEVER been touched. All Apple had to do is say, "ok, this folder is User X and this folder is "Apple Music, however we'll make it seemless so users don't have to worry about which is which.
1) Apple Music for all the stations, curated playlists, social connects, and anything you don't have but want to listen to. This actually works as its suppose to from what I'm seeing other than some "add to playlists" and "love" bugs.
2) iCloud Music Library = My Library which simply adds to AM without touching the way its set up. How files are named, where they are locally, artwork, other meta tags are left untouched. This should work like iTunes Match frankly. Whatever iTunes doesn't have simply gets uploaded.
3) Any available song from AM or IML can be added to a playlists or loved. This should be seemless.
4) Searching for a song/artist/album should first give results to let users know which item belongs to who, an icon should be displayed next to the song title: The Apple logo should be used if it's an AM track, or the Profile icon if it's yours. For example, The Beatles or Prince should have the Profile icon to let me know that it's my track. We can even make more simple by assuming all songs are AM's unless there's the Profile icon.
5) Anything downloaded to your make from AM for offline use should be put in a separate folder in the Finder for iTunes. That way users don't accidentally delete something they own because it's mixed in with your media files. Users should know anything in this folder is DRM'd to the gills. Call the folder Apple Music Protected Downloads or something.
6) Any downloads that come from a users library should remain DRM free, just like iTunes Match, yet put in a separate folder (your regular iTunes Media folder IF it's not already there), away from AM.
7) For iTunes, there should be tabs for "My Music", "Apple Music", and "All Music", depending on what view you want to see. Simply throwing everything into one is a recipe for disaster and alot of pissed off users. Especially when I see that you've replaced and renamed my tracks and they are now DRM'd. Makes me think there's a conspiracy going on. There's no reason for you to be replacing my stuff with yours.
The integration should have been seemless. My personal collection should have NEVER been touched. All Apple had to do is say, "ok, this folder is User X and this folder is "Apple Music, however we'll make it seemless so users don't have to worry about which is which.
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Even as a non-iTunes Match user, I have now experienced some weird stuff. I created a playlist with the songs from the Guardians of the Galaxy movie (as the soundtrack does not seem to be available on Apple Music). I have "Hooked on a Feeling" available locally, so that one was not sourced from Apple Music in the playlist. Now I tried to share the playlist, but when I opened the playlist from the link, "Hooked on a Feeling" by Blue Suede was replaced with "Hooked on a Feeling" by Johnny Maestro & The Brooklyn Bridge. When I start playing the song, it is the correct "Hooked on a Feeling".
Weird.
Weird.
I haven't checked the 'Use iCloud Music Library' prompt. Yet I'm still able to add tracks from Apple Music to my own library. Is that possible? Or have I somehow opted in to the iCloud agreement without even knowing it?
All I want from Apple Music is the ability to add tracks from their database to my library. I don't care if I don't own them. Is that possible without agreeing to sync my library with theirs?
All I want from Apple Music is the ability to add tracks from their database to my library. I don't care if I don't own them. Is that possible without agreeing to sync my library with theirs?
That's strange – this shouldn't be possible if iCloud Music Library is disabled. Did you have a look in the settings to be absolutely sure that you didn't activate it?
Unfortunately no, at this point. Hopefully, Apple will come to their senses soon and let us have these basic functions for a streaming service without being forced to this iCloud mess.
In settings, under general, the option "iCloud Music Library" is checked. Is that the one you mean? If so, damn, I guess I've been stung too.
I had pretty high hopes for Apple Music. Sad to hear so many bad stories so far.
Yes, that's the one. You have activated the iCloud Music Library, at least on your iPhone. If it doesn't cause problems, just keep it that way. I THINK only enabling it on the phone won't mess with your iTunes Library on the Mac, even when syncing. (However, after all the horror stories here, everything seems possible...)
Yes because they don't make any money right now at this streaming business and simple math shows that if they lose at least one customer to Apple Music then they will make even less money!!!
Also it is important to point out that Spotify does not have any other sort of service which they are attempting to upgrade from or integrate... Apple has a MUCH more complicated task to try to please legacy customers while attempting to move most to a new way of thinking about music.
Sorry, I should've specified before. I'm actually talking about the desktop version of iTunes, not my iPhone.
My library hasn't actually acted any differently yet. I just don't the stories people have been telling about lost artwork, mismatched tracks, etc. Not to mention the whole DRM issue.
Thanks for your help by the way.
I'm not a Match user either and saw much of what people have reported in this thread. I did see in one of the articles about this that people who upgraded to 8.4 and turned on iCloud Music Library in their iDevices and then later activated iCML on their computers are also subject to a lot of these issues - I seem to be in that group. I suspect there are a lot of us as Apple released 8.4 first.
I'm willing to bet there are a LOT of people having issues that don't even know it yet.
No problem. Hopefully, your iTunes Library won't be messed up. Always keep an backup, just to be sure!
I was wondering about this too. CAN you still sync if you've got iCML enabled on your phone?
No, you can't. This is one of the many problems I've got. I'm happy to turn off iCML on my MacBook. But then when you want to sync your music to your iPhone which has AM/iCL, you get this...
I had turned iCL off before I took this screen shot, BTW. iPhone is connected via cable to my MBP.
Just checked to show the column "iCloud Status" in iTunes. There are three options.
Purchased is self explanatory. But what's the difference between "Uploaded" and "Apple Music"?
Purchased is self explanatory. But what's the difference between "Uploaded" and "Apple Music"?
"Apple Music" means they've "matched" your song to an AM song and the version in the cloud is AM. "Uploaded" means there was no AM match and they uploaded your version to the cloud.
Also, lest anyone think iCML *isn't* iTunes Match with DRM, at least one of my songs had a status of "matched" even though I've never used Match.
No. You can either sync to the cloud library or your local library on the computer, but not both. This has always been the case with iTunes Match as well. BTW, you cannot sync one phone to two different computers either.