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That what i have been saying. That article (t3), says that the homepod support lossless audio, along with the apple tv. They said, in fact, that Apple CONFIRMED IT to them. However, Macrumors says that Apple told them that Homepod DOES NOT support lossless audio, only Dolby Atmos. Both statements cannot be true at the same time.
 
From a marketing standpoint even if you can’t hear the difference on HomePods they should be supported, otherwise you just get pissed off customers. As for the high end headphones, I’d be well pissed off. The whole marketing of these products has been their audio quality. Someone has blundered here.
 
That what i have been saying. That article (t3), says that the homepod support lossless audio, along with the apple tv. They said, in fact, that Apple CONFIRMED IT to them. However, Macrumors says that Apple told them that Homepod DOES NOT support lossless audio, only Dolby Atmos. Both statements cannot be true at the same time.
According to this previous post, the HomePod does support Apple lossless.

 
According to this previous post, the HomePod does support Apple lossless.

and this states that it does not..

https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/17/apple-music-lossless-tidbits/
 
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misleading article.

it doesn't tell the real story. ...which is... Apple devices can play the lossless audio.

But you need the right equipment to get it out of those devices.
 
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For your information, here are some facts for those interestred:

- In the audio world "lossless" typically refers to lossless relative to CD quality, which is 16/44.1 or a dynamic range of 16 bits and a sample rate of 44.1kHz.
- The sample rate determines the maximum frequency you can represent. A digital signal is a discrete (made up of samples) representation of a continues signal (waves). To reconstruct a sinus wave you need exactly two samples. This means that the maximum frequency you can reconstruct equals half the sample rate. This reconstruction is exact and not an approximation (as it is for image pixels). In other words, with a sample rate of 44.1 we can accuratly reconstruct frequencies up to 22kHz, well above the limit of human hearring. For reference, the highest note on a piano is 4286 Hz and most speakers will not be able to produce signals over 22kHz either.
- Does playing at 192kHz make sense? Yes, if you like to play music for your dog and you have very high-end speakers with no other bottlnecks in the connection chain. Otherwise, absolutely not.
- The dynamic range determines the number of different volume levels you can represent. With 16bit you can represent signals from wispering to over 90dB, enough to cause damage to your ears after long exposure.
- Is there an advantage of a dynamic range higher than 16bit? Yes, if you want to accuratly represent fine details ranging from whispering to explosions. For most pop/rock music there is no difference at all.
- Recordings are mostly done at higher sample rates and higher bit rates. Why? This is not because we can hear a difference in the recording, but because it gives additional headroom during production, changing a signal invitably results in some losses which can as such be minimized.
- Airplay does support ALAC 16/44.1, in fact if I am not mistaken, it transcodes all input to this format for transmission. I don't see any reason why HomePods would not be able to play lossless input streams. If you will hear a difference is another question...
- Some people seem to belief everything lossy is the same, this is obviously not the case, the codec and bitrate make a huge difference.
- Currently Apple uses 256 AAC, truth is, most people don't hear a difference with lossless (CD quality) either, especially with low end equipment like HomePods for example. However, there are definetly people who can hear a difference on high-end equipment. If you want to check for yourself with your equipment you can do an ABX test here: http://abx.digitalfeed.net/itunes.html
- There are many reasons why you can compress a PCM signal lossy without any perceptual difference at all. For example, our sensitivity does not only depends on the signal intensity but also on the frequency. For example, humans can not hear sounds at 60Hz under 40dB. While these signals are encoded in PCM, these can be removed without any perceptual difference for humans.
- Eventhough most people can't hear a difference in a scientific ABX test they still belief they do hear a difference. Why? One reason is because mostly they don't test blind. At the moment you have prior knowledge you can't do an unbiased test. Tests have been done with exactly the same equipment audio but different logo's (Bose vs B&O for example), the more premium brand will consistenly perceived better even if the hardware is exactly the same. Secondly, it is common to decode the signal sligtly different. For example, simply increase the volume with 1dB and almost all test subjects will perceive this as higher quality. Third, often tests are done where other factors or at play, such as the DAC, connections and so on.
 
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Mhhh… the comment is probably out of the Sonos community forum, right?

In my opinion this don’t sound quite official.

Let‘s wait and hope.
Yes, it was on the Community forum but stated by a Sonos official. But yes, you are right. We should wait and see. Still all too new.
 
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ATV is supported.
Are you sure? I know that Apple TV supports "Apple Music Lossless", but when it comes to "Hi-Res Lossless" Apple does not mention Apple TV as a compatible playback device.
 
It is disappointing that I can't listen to lossless unless it is through the phone or iPad and my $260 AirPods Pro are useless in this regard. I don't have any wired headphones any more.

Why disappointed? Just ignore the nonsense. I gave up wires long ago. No interest in the lossless or hifi nonsense. Wireless is great. Embrace it. Perhaps the spatial audio will make it even better.

Whatever the case apple only confused people. Then told you its leading products don’t support something that “changes music forever”. The whole announcement was dumb. I’d have stuck with spatial audio and waited on lossless. To be honest I wouldn’t even go lossless as it invites bringing back wired talk.
 
The article is correct. Spatial audio is a much bigger deal than lossless since everyone will notice the former while the overwhelming majority will not notice a difference in audio quality with lossless.
I agree. Especially after trying the Spatial Audio from just my iPhone with my old gen 2 AirPods and it sounded fantastic!
 
That what i have been saying. That article (t3), says that the homepod support lossless audio, along with the apple tv. They said, in fact, that Apple CONFIRMED IT to them. However, Macrumors says that Apple told them that Homepod DOES NOT support lossless audio, only Dolby Atmos. Both statements cannot be true at the same time.
Apple TV has at least a 32GB storage drive allowing it to have larger buffer for info chunks, so if it previously downloads a lossless music file (regular CD quality included in any good old DVD,) it'll play it back because it has at least a 16bit/44.1KHz DAC. Apple TV probably could take up a couple more seconds to begin song playback when compared to a regular Apple Music AAC file. As comparison and depending on song length, AAC files end up using around 7MB of storage memory, and the same song when compressed to a lossless file could go up to 18MB. The uncompressed song would take up around 50MB.
Again, Lossless is not HiFi.
Don't really know if HomePod has a generous file buffer and would do the same as the Apple TV. But at least it has to have a 16bit/44.1KHz DAC, so if it can download a music file to an internal buffer, instead of streaming it from an iPhone or Mac, then theoretically it supports Lossless.
 
I've found that a quality DAC has made the biggest difference in audio quality in every respect - I'm using the Audient iD44 which is an audio interface designed for music recording and it's hard to describe how much better the experience is. Monitors and acoustic treatment in your room matter too but the headphone amp on the iD44 is also great so I'd recommend looking into the several-hundred-dollars range of audio interfaces/DACs for anyone interested in just HOW much better it can be. Others have mentioned examples of basic external DACs within this thread.
 
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Will we get lossless quality with a pair of high end wired headphones plugged into the lightening to 3.5mm audio jack?
CD quality AKA Lossless will work "wired" with any headphones. Higher quality will require a DAC. As iOS devices does not appear to have one built in that will support that higher 24bit 192khz digital audio. And the headphones don't have DAC's either. At least many of them don't. If you want the higher res audio via headphones. you will need a dongle DAC from say THX or AudioQuest Dragon fly. There are many others, some with bigger amps and nice size batteries to travel with. They can get bulky though.
 
Can people with Sony XM4’s get lossless audio when using the adapter + wired connection?
 
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For real - just try this: test

I guarantee you won't be able to hear a difference.
I bet Apple could say it works and nobody would even bat an eyelid.
I did really well on The Killers, which is a band that I listen to more often, but for the others it was fairly middling on whether I could tell or not. Though honestly the Killers one was really really hard to tell, I had to be paying very close attention. Since that song has a lot of layered instruments it can get a little busy on the high end and there was just a tiny bit more separation on lossless. Nothing worth worrying about IMO. This is a gimmick for 99% of people and the 1% who care or have really nice equipment will appreciate it.
 
Well let's see. HomePod: discontinued. New lossless music: introduced. So naturally, coming soon: HomePod Pro! $499 and supports lossless.
I think you're right tbh. They will use lossless to sell something, thats for sure.
 
I have a much better car stereo than you, I guess. I most certainly am noticing, and have been using it for the last five years in my car.

With all due respect, listening:
  • inside an iron box
  • slightly upholstered
  • surrounded with windows
  • vibrating
  • with noisy windshield
  • and with left/right speakers asymmetrically positioned
isn't exactly the ideal place, regardless the audio system installed.
 
Listen, as a mix engineer who mixes the records you're listening to, I can confidently say I am not getting them mixed up and I confidently wager £50,000 that you couldn't tell the difference between a FLAC file and a 320kbit MP3 of the same source - so far no one has been able to do - as said, there's an entire blind test on the most detail speakers they could find in a fully audio treated room.

In the greatest respect I drive a Tesla with the premium audio system which has been further enhanced and it's still a million miles away from anything remotely capable of being able to recreate the audio frequencies you can't even hear anyway! As I said, you and neither do I have the best car audio system in the world and even if we did it'd be at the **** end of hi-fi speakers which are at the **** end of studio monitors.

I've got a pair of £1400 Sennheiser HD800s, with a £800 super flat amp to drive them and a £1000 DAC - that combo alone still can't let you hear the difference in compression between a 320kbit MP3 and it's lossless brother, so your car certainly can't - that's why I am able to be bold about my assumptions.
We aren't talking about 320k MP3. We're talking about 256k AAC, which is what Apple Music currently uses.
 
The only Apple product supporting Lossless Audio!
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Seems to me -- with the recent release of the Airpods Pro in particular -- Apple should have done a better job of coordinating product release schedules here...
 
If not being able to listen to lossless music is preventing you from enjoying music, you are listening to music the wrong way. No human can tell the difference in a blind test.
 
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