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I'm not sure if your mind hasn't been turned to mush by Greenpeace but there is more than one type of "plastic" in this world. Many of them have nothing to do with PVC. In the industry the base material is often called resin generically of which their are thousands of formulations and brands. Some are pretty amazing products that can out perform metals.

As to the environment I don't think anybody has reallly studied the impact that a plastic laptop enclosure has vs an Aluminum. If such a study was done I think many people would be surprised.


I'm actually hoping that the Aluminum Mac Book sales are marginal and that Apple is getting the feedback indicating that Firewire is very important on these machines. Being a recent returnee to the Mac fold I'm very please with the performance and behaviour of Firewire. Honestly I hope that Apple continues to support and update it well into the future. Even in the face of USB 3 I would like to see Apple move forward with Firewire. It is a very sound implementation of a serial bus.

Dave

I'm a music student, my school is just in front of an apple reseller and since the introduction of the uMB I've only seen one in the school, while the white ones still are being bought by the students, not only for the price, but because they don't need the new graphic card, or backlit keyboard (sure it's nice to have it), but what we need is fw400...i know that the trend is the fw800, but the fact is that the majority of the gear I see music majors using is fw400 based (sound interfaces, cards, etc). Something tells me that in the film dpt will happen a similar situation, sure the new uMB has better graphics, processor, etc but all of that is basically useless in those situations without fw, and what boggles me is that the casual user (the audience that apple seems to be targeting now), does not need any of that power,(they just want a big screen for youtube, party/facebook pics and p0rn). Even in the pro i feel that at least we should get 2 fw ports as soon as you daisy chain any device with fw400 the whole fw speed goes to 400, neglecting so in my point the faster speed argument to strip the 2nd port. I'm very happy with my old SR 2.2 MBP as I can have renders going on on the FW800 port and the rest (ext hd's, interfaces, etc) on the fw400 port without buying hubs, express ports, or just rebuying your peripherals but on the fw800 standard. Heck!, I've seen a lot of my mates literally chasing down the last mbp classic that were around just for these little "details".

The fact is also that the teachers (the professionals i one word), are not buying unibodys, but the white ones...I really hope they reintroduce fw, surely then more music/arts student will pay the aluminiun extra as it seems to be much robust than the plastic, but i guess that we are really small segment of the market.
well that was my rant folks...
 
Just don't get me started on the firewire-less unibody :rolleyes:

Wish I hadn't forgotten to grab the extra 2 years Applecare before it was too late though :mad:

Yeah, I think there's a large chorus of people out there who'd like a unibody Mac but feel the Firewire option has gone a bit prematurely.

It might not be of any consolation to you but, FWIW, I never had AC for my 12" iBook. Used it most days for over 3 & 1/2 years now & it's still going strong. :)
 
Not to pull this thread way off track here but your attitude is what has turned WikiPedia into the mess it is these days. It is verified information when you have a spec sheet, Cupid information or other data at hand. What you have right now is speculation...

I agree, however P7450 is more correct than P7350 which was posted earlier today (probably a simple copy/paste from the previous model). Apple usually doesn't release this information in their spec sheets but since 3MB L2 Cache, 2.13GHz, and 1066MHz FSB only match the P7450 I'd say it's almost a guarantee that it is it.
 
Eh, longevity of hardware? The plastic MacBook? And the intuitiveness of the OS is a personal matter, not an absolute.

Well, not really. OSX has virtual desktops, windows doesn't. OSX has a decent app switcher in exposee, Windows doesn't. OSX has quicklook, windows doesn't. OSX has core dictionary, core animation windows doesn't. OSX comes bundled with iLife, windows comes bundled with crap (generally). OSX doesn't need an antivirus, Windows does.

I could go on, but even with Win 7 the gulf between the OSes is mindblowing (coming from someone who used Windows for 10 odd years before OSX, and beta tested Vista for MS). OSX is elegant, well thought through, beautiful and powerful.

As for longevity of hardware, my MacBook runs flawlessly and is over two years old whereas my best friend's 1 year old PC now chugs. Windows rot is a wonderful thing.
 
Don't drink the Alu MacBook Kool-Aid too quickly....

I for one am glad that the plastic MacBook is sticking around, and is still receiving updates! It is the only laptop offering from apple in such a low price bracket that still gives the user FireWire, and a non HDCP protected display port. These may sound trivial to some, but believe me, others look for these features... Hence why I never want to part with my last gen 17"MBP that still has a true DVI output, which does not limit me to what type of displays/projectors I can talk to, and has a very sexy 1920x1200 internal display.

Having just wiped a friends new ALU macbook..... NOT having the ability to do target disk mode, since it has no firewire port, made the whole process a huge pain! It took much longer than it does on any machine with firewire. I wish more people cared about these two features, I would love if apple at the very least always kept them as an option.
 
i hope then make a USB target mode option on the new MB/MBP.

No way. USB does not allow it, being a far inferior technology. Firewire does all things done by USB and better; USB cannot do all the things done by Firewire. That simple!

i hope then make a USB target mode option on the new MB/MBP.

The white MacBook still has FireWire. :confused:

I cannot find any specifications about Firewire for any MacBook at the Apple web site. Firewire is simply gone from the complete MacBook line as far as the Apple site is concerned.

While TDM is useful, removing the MBs hd and placing it in an external case isn't too big a task although its not nearly as convenient and does require you to have a USB enclosure hanging around.

What???!!! Not here by any means! Firewire Target Disk mode has saved our bacon far too many times at our University. The absence of it is plainly a deal breaker for us.
 
I dunno, the worst thing about the black Macbook was it got terribly greasy. The black keys on the current line of Apple's notebooks are bad enough but to have the whole computer including the trackpad get shiny and greasy just takes away the polished look. I saw a guy's black Macbook at the coffee shop last week and it looked like crap.

Anyways the whitebook's update was decent but I think Apple needs to stop being cheap and put in 4GB ram since it's using the cheaper DDR2.

Do you people never clean your computers? My black MacBook looks exactly like it did the day it came out of the box. I've had it for over a year. All it takes is cleaning once a week with Mr Clean Magic Eraser and it looks fine.

And wash your hands once in a while too! :)
 
I'm not sure if your mind hasn't been turned to mush by Greenpeace but there is more than one type of "plastic" in this world. Many of them have nothing to do with PVC. In the industry the base material is often called resin generically of which their are thousands of formulations and brands. Some are pretty amazing products that can out perform metals.

What I think about Greenpeace is irrelevant. I just posted a pointer to what Apple said. So are you saying that the plastic Macbook case does not contain PVC? I admit that I do not know.

As to the environment I don't think anybody has reallly studied the impact that a plastic laptop enclosure has vs an Aluminum. If such a study was done I think many people would be surprised.

I also think that might be true, and that the environmental impact of different models is more complicated than what first glance would indicate. But I don't have any basis for an actual conclusion. Do you have any evidence?
 
Well, not really. OSX has virtual desktops, windows doesn't. OSX has a decent app switcher in exposee, Windows doesn't. OSX has quicklook, windows doesn't. OSX has core dictionary, core animation windows doesn't. OSX comes bundled with iLife, windows comes bundled with crap (generally). OSX doesn't need an antivirus, Windows does.

I could go on, but even with Win 7 the gulf between the OSes is mindblowing (coming from someone who used Windows for 10 odd years before OSX, and beta tested Vista for MS). OSX is elegant, well thought through, beautiful and powerful.

As for longevity of hardware, my MacBook runs flawlessly and is over two years old whereas my best friend's 1 year old PC now chugs. Windows rot is a wonderful thing.

Hahaha, excellent post there manic mouse. Thanks for that!
 
I think they should rebrand the alu MB as a MBP, and reintroduce the black MacBook at the same price as the white.

I highly doubt they will reintroduce the BlackBook at the same price point, if at all.

I can see two potential paths if Apple merges the 13" UMB into the MBPs and increases its specs to include dedicated graphics.
(1) Apple cuts into its margins by lowering prices on all models in order to increase sales and leaves only one model in the poly-carb MB as a low-price option aimed at students.
(2) Apple increases slightly the price of the soon-to-be 13" MBP and clears room for a second poly-carb MB in its pricing range. Thus if Apple were to reintroduce the Black MB, it would be positioned between the current poly-carb MB and the UMB (soon to become a 13" MBP), but only after the UMB has been rebranded as a 13" MBP. However, I am guessing that if Apple does off another poly-carb MB, it will remain white for the sake of manufacturing simplicity.
 
at first I thought the whitebooks were still over drive until they swapped the super drive in. But that is still a plausible assumption they could just be using the cases that are left. Right?
 
Do you people never clean your computers? My black MacBook looks exactly like it did the day it came out of the box. I've had it for over a year. All it takes is cleaning once a week with Mr Clean Magic Eraser and it looks fine.

And wash your hands once in a while too! :)
My iBook looked really good for a few months until I started playing Marble Blast regularly, then my sweaty hands made their marks on the iBook. :rolleyes: :D
 
The White MacBook is just getting better and better while the unibody MB's are getting less and less attractive. $999 + better specs or $1299 + metal (but super bendable) and lower specs? I would take the white MB
 
I don't understand this rebranding people are talking about. Someone want to fill me in?

I have some questions. Are all unibody Mac laptops going to be re-labled as MBPs? So, are they going to kill-off the current unibody MacBooks? So, the only MacBook that will be available is the white? Wouldn't this be like going backwards?
 
I have a early 2009 white Macbook (with NVdia gpu) that I replaced the 667 mhz ram with 4 gigs of 800 mhz ram. It runs at 800 mhz.

That upgrade is really hardly an upgrade, they just ran out of 667 ram. I replaced the 5000rpm 120 gig HD with a 320GIG 7200 HD too.. It really runs fast.

The ram upgrade and the HD upgrade took all of three minutes after watching the demo video at OWC.
 
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