Apple Rivals Unite to Promote Open Ecosystems Using EU Law

[scorpio vega]

I

Oh I wish that were true.
iOS is not the safest nor the most private. They do a better than average Marketing roll.

It has nothing to do with marketing. Compared to Android, IOS is ,

Even if this is Apple centric forums, most of us have evolved from being labeled mere fanboys because we are lot more open minded (aware or use multiple platforms) and not pessimistic about most things except when it comes to having any governmental organization dictate standards that financially benefit solely their governments. Obviously this topic related to that.

you can be multi platform (I am) and still realize when a product like Android is infeior (it is).

Macrumors definitely is skewing towards android fanboy playground these days and thats unfortunate.

 

[scorpio vega]

Let's see here.
Google - Privacy thief
Meta - same as above
Qualcomm - Huge chipset maker
Nothing - CCP company
Lenovo - Same as above
Opera - Same as above

What am I looking at? 🧐

Hypocrisy basically

 

[MacDaddyPanda]

Apple should just quote Elon Musk.

 

[dk001]

Forcing it to be like an OS it never was designed to be like and most of chose becuase it was nothing like Android.

I almost feel bad saying that I look forward to sideloading and the inevitable issues it brings to people thinking they are installing apps from a secure thing only for it to blow up in their faces.

What?

I can have a black box with two screens of apps with the OS hidden and unless it was an Apple specific only app, most users would have trouble identifying the OEM.

Issues? Personally I will wait till it actually happens and then take a look at the issues. Once again, you are assuming you know the design Apple’s solution will take.

 

[scorpio vega]

Apple should just quote Elon Musk.

Actually, can't stand the man, but i almost wished they would go a Musk route lol. Unfortunately this is not the Apple ehtos.

 

[Technerd108]

Apple should be able to keep it's ecosystem primarily proprietary. BUT when it comes to iMessage they screwed up.

You can't give Android users a insecure and poor quality experience just because you want to push people to buy an iPhone. Texting is a primary function on any phone like calling is. Therefore a company shouldn't have the ability to force a bad experience on a competitive platform just because they are trying to leverage their user base against others.

If Apple had simply adopted RCS with a secure e2e encrypted with full resolution videos and pictures and nothing else they would not even have any of this scrutiny by all these companies and by consumers themselves who are sick of these incompatibilities forced on them by Apple.

Beeper mini incredible success in a matter of hours shows how much people want this interconnectivity.

If it takes regulators in Europe to force Apple to do the right thing then I have no problem with it. Apple has been getting away Monopolistic tactics with iMessage in the US for years. Apple has every right to keep FaceTime and all the other Apple proprietary software exclusive but they should have opened up iMessage years ago.

If it Apple eventually makes iMessage fully compatible with RCS and Google messages I don't think it will hurt Apple. For people like myself that have been dealing with a pain in our behinds over having an Android phone but using a Mac as a primary laptop, it would make life easier. If Apple even took the extra step of allowing me to receive texts from my Android phone on my Mac then I would be really happy.

By trying to force my hand with making my life difficult if I choose an Android phone just pisses me off. If you have a superior product it will sell itself. No need for lock in. The convenience is great but it can be opened up and might open up a new market for Apple products??

 

[scorpio vega]

Issues? Personally I will wait till it actually happens and then take a look at the issues. Once again, you are assuming you know the design Apple’s solution will take.

If it is anything remotely similar to android, i think I have a good enough idea. But go off.

 

[dk001]

I am not doing your leg work for you mate.
Google (since you love Android, it seems it should be easy for you to use) is your friend.
Piracy is a huge problem on Android to the fact that the US justice department is actively going after pirates.

A simple google search also brought a subreddit with nearly 2 million active users dedicated to specifically Android piracy. But okay, piracy is not an issue /s

It's no different than Windows. I dont know why you act offended that I said Androdi users pirate apps. Because they do. It's easy to do and not that difficult.

From what years? I did take a fast look. ”Piracy” seems to be for the most part situational. ”Piracy” also has a number of definitions. Just because a user joins a “piracy” subreddit doesn’t mean they “pirate”. I belong to r/Piracy. It’s not what you think.

I own and use MacOS, iOS, iPadOS, Windows (10/11), Linus, Android - a number of OEM versions plus Google), ChromeOS, etc … I am not married to any one system or OS. I use what works best for me.
Why do some people “assume” my use case?

 

[scorpio vega]

You can't give Android users a insecure and poor quality experience just because you want to push people to buy an iPhone.

WHy does Apple need to give androdi anything lmao? It's not their customerbase
That's like saying Google needed to give Windows phone it's Google Apps.

It would be nice YES but they are not obligated to give you anything other than the bare minimum because you chose to buy an Android.

That's like me expecting a restaraunt to give me free refills because I chose to buy a drink elsewhere.

Beeper mini incredible success in a matter of hours shows how much people want this interconnectivity.

100,000 out of 3 billion downloads is not an incredible success. Ironically it is what the Android fanboys accuse Apple of doing, great marketing.

No need for lock in. The convenience is great but it can be opened up and might open up a new market for Apple products??

You aren't locked in when you have literally cross platform apps that do whatever you can with iMessage.
you acknowledge you dont use an iPhone therefore you are far more likely to use and have friends who use a cross platform app.

One would argue if you are an Android guy (for whatever mundane reason, your choice) and a Mac os guy you'd WANT to use a crossplatform app.

 

[scorpio vega]

Why do some people “assume” my use case?

I personally dont care your use case. You feel a need to defend it and that's great, I guess? Kudos?

From what i saw (i am sure we can't link here) the sub literally was linking people where to download this or that app.

 

[dk001]

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It has nothing to do with marketing. Compared to Android, IOS is ,

you can be multi platform (I am) and still realize when a product like Android is infeior (it is).

Macrumors definitely is skewing towards android fanboy playground these days and thats unfortunate.

Take another look. IOS is no safer in many cases than Android. Matter of fact I’ll put my setup on my S23U against anything Apple can offer.

 

[Ctrlos]

Almost all of human history has been spent in poverty. Capitalism pretty much took care of that in about 150 years. In 50 more there will be no absolute poverty anywhere on earth. That's 100% because of capitalism and far more important that your little tech gizmos.

Don't capitulate to the propaganda of socialist governments.

Given the USA is simultaneously the most capitalist country on earth and has the highest levels of poverty in the west, there is some disconnect going on there.

My 'socialist' government gives me healthcare free at the point of use, a generous safety net if I lose my job helping me back into the workforce and preventing me from spiralling into poverty.

 

[Ctrlos]

Apple Watch is largely an iPhone accessory. If you own a Mac or an iPad and not an iPhone, that makes you an Android phone user. It's much more valuable to Apple to use the Apple Watch as a tool to get you to switch to iPhone, than to support you from the Mac or iPad. As big of a business that the watch is, it's main purpose is to get people to use iPhone.

The Apple Watch is so very close to being the future communications paradigm: all of the benefits and none of the addiction. It just need a better Siri and better battery life. We can already use them as 'phones' for kids or the elderly independent of an iPhone.

I'm not alone in wishing I could run an Apple Watch and iPad and remove the iPhone from the equation.

 

[Ctrlos]

Forcing it to be like an OS it never was designed to be like and most of chose becuase it was nothing like Android.

I almost feel bad saying that I look forward to sideloading and the inevitable issues it brings to people thinking they are installing apps from a secure thing only for it to blow up in their faces.

Your Mac has had sideloading since the 1970's. That marketplace seems ok.

 

[scorpio vega]

Your Mac has had sideloading since the 1970's. That marketplace seems ok.

And again Mac is not iOs. iOs was not designed to be as such

 

[Abazigal]

Ip Man in that scene was motivated by vengeance for his murdered friend.

This is more like the assassination of Julius Caesar. Bunch of bureaucrats and former allies ganging up.

I was torn between that and the Darth Vader hallway fight scene at the end of Rogue One.

 

[k1121j]

Cross platform messaging apps say hi.

If Apple joined this, i'd say the same thing. COnsumers should have the power to choose. Not government regulation

Problem is you can’t have capitalism with out regulation.

 

[Technerd108]

WHy does Apple need to give androdi anything lmao? It's not their customerbase
That's like saying Google needed to give Windows phone it's Google Apps.

It would be nice YES but they are not obligated to give you anything other than the bare minimum because you chose to buy an Android.

That's like me expecting a restaraunt to give me free refills because I chose to buy a drink elsewhere.

100,000 out of 3 billion downloads is not an incredible success. Ironically it is what the Android fanboys accuse Apple of doing, great marketing.

You aren't locked in when you have literally cross platform apps that do whatever you can with iMessage.
you acknowledge you dont use an iPhone therefore you are far more likely to use and have friends who use a cross platform app.

One would argue if you are an Android guy (for whatever mundane reason, your choice) and a Mac os guy you'd WANT to use a crossplatform app.

The point is for texting you shouldn't need a third party app to text with security and decent quality regardless of the platform because texting is a basic function of all phones like calling is.

For anything else I agree Apple can do what they want. It would be nice if they changed tact but I know it will be a cold day in hell when that happens.

Of course when I say lock in it is figurative. There is a lot of nuance to the Apple ecosystem and I am not sure if you understood what I meant.

Of course I can use whatever I want for (whatever mundane reason) I could give you a long list here but I don't think you really care what I say as your point of view seems rather solidified in favor of whatever Apple does.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should. But history continues to repeat and people never seem to learn this lesson.

 

[CarAnalogy]

Your Mac has had sideloading since the 1970's. That marketplace seems ok.

80s and it wasn't compatible with anything else so it didn't really need to be particularly locked down any more than it inherently was. Remember this was the first machine specifically designed to prevent the end user from opening it.

And yeah it's ok but it's kind of like making a one time purchase game vs in app purchase games these days. You can still make a one time purchase game and be ok, but compared to the in app purchase games it's insignificant. The amount of money made by iOS has dwarfed macOS for years. Sad but true, it's all about the money. It used to be about control for the sake of quality, but that has taken a back seat in recent years.

 

[Shirasaki]

That is what people who don’t want to take the time to think about internet privacy say.

“There is no privacy! It is a lost cause!” Now you don’t have to put in the work to care right? Hey, whatever helps you sleep better at night I guess.

It’s exactly because privacy is gone since the inception of internet that people value it fight tooth to nail to restore it. It’s just that privacy has also been weaponised by Apple to promote their product.

 

[scorpio vega]

Take another look. IOS is no safer in many cases than Android. Matter of fact I’ll put my setup on my S23U against anything Apple can offer.

I know you android fans really want to make your point but it's unnecessary

1. iPhones are supported OS and Security updates far longer than 98 percent of Androids (Pixels do not count nor do high end Galaxies because pixels and high end galaxies dont even make up a 10th of the Android phone 3,000,000,ooo activations).

2. Malware is far less common on IOS App Store (not impossible) than Play Store. It's actually quite easy to click a link or potentially install something by accident without realizing it on Android (I know i have) by going to what looks like a reputable site.

Which leads me to

3. Apple is far stricter about what is allowed in the app store therefore the App quality is usually better than the Play store(see #2)

4. I own a Galaxy S22 Ultra(terrible phone by the way) and if i have an issue with an app either not working as it should or is falsely advertise or simply spam, it is a hurdle to get support from Google. I had a similar situation on my 15 PM and within 12 hours, I was refunded.

5.Apple literally can check a registry to see if a phone has been marked as lost/stolen to deter repairs by thieves thus refusing to repair the device (Granted you can go to some shady 3rd party dealer but the fact they can do this is still great nonetheless). Pixels/Galaxy and others as far as I am aware (feel free to correct me if i was wrong) do not do this.

6. Apple also makes it extremely difficult to try and sell parts of a stolen iPhone once it has been marked as stolen(DRM)

Google has FRP which is very similar to icloud reset protection. But the thing with Android it's actually easier to break it's FRP than IOS, simply because Android is open source and Google themselves has not yet patched a hole (I actually have done this before to get out of my old Nexus i was locked out) and given that Many androids are on outdated version, it's actually not hard to find a hole to exploit.

 

[scorpio vega]

The point is for texting you shouldn't need a third party app to text with security and decent quality regardless of the platform because texting is a basic function of all phones like calling is.

Except I don't have any issues sending text messages to anyone. I am at my mom's house and I just sent a bunch of pics from my 15 pro max. No compression.

Recorded a video just now and again, no compression.

I can argue that apple DOES enable basic functions like phone calls and texting via SMS, so that makes your argument incorrect. Apple is adopting RCS.

iMessage does not nor should not be cross platform if Apple is meeting the basic requirements for communication.

your point of view seems rather solidified in favor of whatever Apple does.

I am not blindly defending Apple. I am just stating facts.

 

[sleeptodream]

It's so weird hearing people make this argument, you actually seriously want fewer options? Can't you just not utilise those options?

The sandbox will still be there protecting you from apps that try to access your location, apps installed from 3rd party app stores can't bypass it without entitlements they won't be able to get.

And I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but iOS has had quite a few zero-click-to-RCE chains in recent years. These changes will actually be a benefit to security on iOS as more researchers will have easier access to play with the OS.

The companies and devs will utilize the option for sideloading, it won’t be up to us. They’ll create their own app stores and have sideloading for many apps/games to get around paying Apple. Also as another user mentioned, being able to keep tabs on all our subscriptions through our Apple ID is amazing. When they allow third party payments that will be over, and companies won’t be passing the 30% savings on to the consumer, I can tell you that.

Also, big picture: currently Apple makes money mostly by selling hardware, then ~25% from services including the App Store. Google, Meta etc make money through user data and ads. Currently Apple has little need for ads or to sell user data, however, take away their App Store revenue, and disincentivize hardware sales (through things like making iMessage for Android), and Apple will need to look for other avenues to replace that revenue.

I can tell you we aren’t going to like it when they do. We already complain about the little bit of advertising we get now…

 

[sleeptodream]

It’s forced in the sense that they are not giving iOS app developers or users a CHOICE to sideload or use alternative app stores on iOS.

Just because there may be another choice (or choices) in a market doesn't give a company a right to violate antitrust laws. Coke is an alternative to Pepsi and vice versa yet both have dealt with antitrust matters over the years. There were desktop OS alternatives to Windows in the 1990s (e.g., Mac OS, OS/2, Linux, BeOS, etc.) yet Microsoft/Windows dealt with years of antitrust related activities.

Windows had 90% of the PC marketshare in the 90s. This is not that.

iPhone and Android are essentially neck and neck (though I do wish there were more alternatives, like in the Windows Phone and Palm Pre days, but this isn’t going to fix that)

 

[Realityck]

iPhone and Android are essentially neck and neck (though I do wish there were more alternatives, like in the Windows Phone and Palm Pre days, but this isn’t going to fix that)

Not even close (neck and neck). Below is a statical stats for 2009 Q1 to 2023 Q3. EU can't be saying that Apple has any strength except in USA and UK compared to the rest of the world. But you can readily assume that this so called effort led by Google and others should be suspect to get their own way from the EU.