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This feels like a joke. Hypocrite ship with Google at the helm. The same Google, that just lost to Epic in court for sweetening Play Store deals for preferred devs. Oh, and throw in some puny smartphone producing companies for effect. Don't get me started on Meta being in the bunch.
 
They wouldn't lose anything, though, because the EU would back down. That's what I'm talking about. Apple has all the leverage, not the EU. The EU is just bluffing. The people who vote these crooks into office would be on Apple's side faster than you could type a sentence. It would be a massive protest. The EU would lose.
Not likely. Do you really think a majority of the voters care whether you can buy Apple products or not? I'm willing to bet there are more people that hate Apple simply because they have a lot of money, than there are people that hate EU restricting corporations.

Just look at the comments on this forum. This is an Apple forum. This is where all the fanboys are. Yet, a majority of posters here seems to want Apple to open up their platform, although perhaps not through political decisions. I think a LOT of people would use it as an excuse to hate Apple even more. Even I, a self-declared Apple fanboy and not a big supporter of EU, would blame noone but Apple, if they pulled out. They have 3 trillion dollars, they can afford to run their business the way each market requires them to. If they can manage China, they can manage EU.
 
I get that I guess, but enabling access to 3rd party app installation will not detract from simplicity, it's gonna be a well-hidden slider in settings which will be about as annoying to enable as they are allowed to make it.
This conversation is repeated across every sideloading conversation. :)

A: If you don't sideload, it won't affect you.
B: It will affect me as soon as the first app that I need or want leaves the App Store for a third-party source.
 
A company puts out a product. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.

Why is this so complicated?

Apple was one of the later companies to enter the smartphone market and Apple decimated the competition by putting out a superior product. If people aren’t happy with Apple, don’t buy Apple.

If Apple started charging 90% to developers, that would still be legal. If developers don’t want to pay the fee, then don’t create apps for iOS. Apple is charging 15% or 30% to host, manage, support and provide payment services for developers. You know who else charges 15% - 30%? Uncle Sam!
Again, putting all the trust in the consumer is about the worst thing you can do. If there was slave labor involved in making the product, but the product is widely available, plenty of consumers will still buy the product. The number of people who do their research and decide not to will be small because most people aren't thinking in those terms with every product they buy – they're just trying to live their lives in a way that's convenient for them.

In order to abolish the slave labor, government regulation will be absolutely necessary.
 
It’s forced in the sense that they are not giving iOS app developers or users a CHOICE to sideload or use alternative app stores on iOS.

Just because there may be another choice (or choices) in a market doesn't give a company a right to violate antitrust laws.
Please show a recent finding where apple violated antitrust laws anywhere in the world in line with this conversation.
Coke is an alternative to Pepsi and vice versa yet both have dealt with antitrust matters over the years. There were desktop OS alternatives to Windows in the 1990s (e.g., Mac OS, OS/2, Linux, BeOS, etc.) yet Microsoft/Windows dealt with years of antitrust related activities.
Citing other example of antitrust doesn’t prove a point.
 
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This conversation is repeated across every sideloading conversation. :)

A: If you don't sideload, it won't affect you.
B: It will affect me as soon as the first app that I need or want leaves the App Store for a third-party source.
Which won't happen, so don't worry!
 
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When you are behind sick the government on the other company to add additional work and in turn slow their momentum.
 
My iPhone works great with people who have Android phones, so what are you talking about? Does having a green bubble make it difficult to communicate? LOL. Hate to say it, but google is FOS on this one. If you have an iPhone you are free to choose iMessage, or any number of other messaging apps as you prefer. The fact that most people choose iMessage, says a lot. Finally, why does RCS have such a crappy encryption standard. Listening to Google, you would think they would have a much better one, not a not better one. Again, up the game google. If it is truly better, then people will use it.

Google could even adopt a completely new, platform independent, service that met all their requirements. If it was better, then even iPhone users would adopt it, if it wasn't, then iPhone users would stay on iMessage.

Can't go without mention that some companies, like Facebook, have been caught purposely draining batteries. shouldn't everyone impacted get a big financial settlement from Zuck? from the sounds of complaints, I suspect that one issue caught by a whistleblower is only the tip of the iceberg, There seems like a whole lot of other crap out there that has not yet been exposed. A financial responsibility law and criminal penalties, and finders fees to those finding it and exposing it, would be great.

You really need to understand the issue before you post.

1. It isn’t about green, blue, purple, or whatever color. It is the ability to have secure comms between OS’s using the default apps.

2. Standard RCS has no encryption standard so when Apple puts RCS into iMessage there won’t be any encryption. No security but Android will get better quality comms sent from iMessage. Apple refuses to use the Google added encryption.

3. Apple will never adopt something else as they rely on iMessage to retain users. They have confirmed that a number of years ago when the “iMessage for Android” first came up.

4. SMS/MMS should have been replaced long ago.
 
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Apple needs to form a coalition to push for increased user privacy. No way Google or Meta would be pushing for this if they couldn’t profit from harvesting personal information.
Apple can't do this because they're just as much in cahoots with Facebook, Google etc with their business deals. They don't care about privacy any more than they can promote it to their benefit. There's no actual backbone to it. They need those corporations on their platforms to make money and we all know if there's one thing that modern day Apple (read Tim Crook) loves more than anything else, it's money.
 
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Yes, it just isn't very widely utilised, which will be the case on iOS as well.
@downpour

It is more widely used than most realize when you stop and think about it.
Samsung Store
OnePlus Store
Moto Store
Amazon Store,
etc….

Then add in the third party non-OEM stores and dev sites.

I could be wrong but Google doesn’t get a cut of the OEM stores.
 
Is it just me or does the EU have nothing better to do than go after American companies for money and regulation? Maybe it’s time to leave the EU.

Surely a point will come when the US government responds with their own regulatory laws to counter these type of moves by the EU.

Shareholders might not like the reduced market share if Apple pulled out of the EU but maybe there is a way for Apple to stick to its principles of privacy and security of their products.
 
If by everyone you mean a few zealots, yes we remember.
Yeah, common sense-ridden zealots who understand the convenience of using the same cable that came with their iPad or MBP over 5 years ago to also charge their iPhone and most every mobile device they own.
 
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Why would it be like Android? OS aside they are very similar and apps that exist for one are likely to exist for the other. If not the exact app it is a close equivalent.
Forcing it to be like an OS it never was designed to be like and most of chose becuase it was nothing like Android.

I almost feel bad saying that I look forward to sideloading and the inevitable issues it brings to people thinking they are installing apps from a secure thing only for it to blow up in their faces.
 
I'm not trying to make them out as dumb... I just stated that people want things to work, and be easily compatible. Please stop twisting words.
you literally are implying that a majority of people are not capable of knowing how to sideload (as if it is that difficult) thus impyling them as dumb but okay then.
 
Again, putting all the trust in the consumer is about the worst thing you can do. If there was slave labor involved in making the product, but the product is widely available, plenty of consumers will still buy the product. The number of people who do their research and decide not to will be small because most people aren't thinking in those terms with every product they buy – they're just trying to live their lives in a way that's convenient for them.

In order to abolish the slave labor, government regulation will be absolutely necessary.

You’re equating product features and App Store requirements to slave labor? Really?
 
Except, if Apple opens up like people want them to, things like payments and especially subscriptions is going to be fragmented all over the place, and I can no longer choose to do all of my purchasing through one store.

I may be a minority, but I have services that I subscribe to through the app store even though it sometimes costs extra, simply because I find it easier, especially when you want to unsubscribe. And, it's easier to get an overview on what I am currently subscribed to.

It will NOT be possible to simply ignore third party app stores and carry on like nothing happened. It will change iPhone into the same sorry mess that is Android and Windows. This is the last thing I want.

Here is why I disagree with your premise.

1. We don’t know what Apple’s solution will look like.
2. If fragmentation and subscriptions were going to be all over the place we would have seen this on Android. Apple is heavier on “pushing” subscriptions than Android is.
3. You are assuming that any change in this arena will cause Apple to become Android and/or Windows.

Personally I prefer to cut out the middle man and buy direct.

Tinfoil Hats for sale. Inquire within.
 


I don’t want my phone to be the same ******** that every other OS is, I want it to be simple, fast, convenient, secure, and reliable with 100% uptime. Windows and Android aren’t, neither is macOS. iOS is as close to that as is possible these days.

Oh I wish that were true.
iOS is not the safest nor the most private. They do a better than average Marketing roll.
 
Just look at the comments on this forum. This is an Apple forum. This is where all the fanboys are. Yet, a majority of posters here seems to want Apple to open up their platform, although perhaps not through political decisions. I think a LOT of people would use it as an excuse to hate Apple even more. Even I, a self-declared Apple fanboy and not a big supporter of EU, would blame noone but Apple, if they pulled out. They have 3 trillion dollars, they can afford to run their business the way each market requires them to. If they can manage China, they can manage EU.
Even if this is Apple centric forums, most of us have evolved from being labeled mere fanboys because we are lot more open minded (aware or use multiple platforms) and not pessimistic about most things except when it comes to having any governmental organization dictate standards that financially benefit solely their governments. Obviously this topic related to that. ;)

BTW China is very different then EU, EU is like a big family that loves to argue between themselves. Comparably China can relate to specific one sides of an argument that helps their business goals.

I wish we could cease to think of market perceived value based on stock portfolio values, instead of how much the real assets vs debits is worth. Borrowing money from stocks is just acquired debt isn't? Look at other days Space X marketplace valuation, its grossly overvalued from a speculative point of view.
 
Either retract your statement or provide some semblance of proof.
I am not doing your leg work for you mate.
Google (since you love Android, it seems it should be easy for you to use) is your friend.
Piracy is a huge problem on Android to the fact that the US justice department is actively going after pirates.

A simple google search also brought a subreddit with nearly 2 million active users dedicated to specifically Android piracy. But okay, piracy is not an issue /s

It's no different than Windows. I dont know why you act offended that I said Androdi users pirate apps. Because they do. It's easy to do and not that difficult.
 
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Let's see here.
Google - Privacy thief
Meta - same as above
Qualcomm - Huge chipset maker
Nothing - CCP company
Lenovo - Same as above
Opera - Same as above

What am I looking at? 🧐
 
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