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Apple is one of only two major players (part of a duopoly) in the app store market and generates more app store revenue than any other company. Apple is one of only two major players (part of a duopoly) in the mobile OS market. Apple has the largest share of the device vendor market for tablet and mobile. Etc. Yes, Apple is a dominant company.

Exactly. I'm not saying I agree with this coalition's aims or am acting like it's anything other than an attempt by Google to get one over on Apple, but let's not pretend that Apple is some mom-and-pop underdog being targeted for no reason. Apple is absolutely a major player as much as its rivals are.
 
It's common knowledge that Apple users actually spend more on Apps than Android users do.

There are over 3 billion active users of Android. Do you really want to try and sit here and act like that even 1 percent of 3 billion users (which is 30 million) is not a lot of illegal downloads from up and coming developers.

Considering the world literally is always looking for a way to get movies for free, music for free, games for free...why on earth would you think it is difficult to do a simple google search and find out how to get an app for free?

It's 2023. It's not that hard to find out how to get pirated items.
THere's more free apps on Android in my experience. Also there's no evidence that most users pirate apps.

to answer your earlier question, why are you so antio easy communication between ecosystems? Are you an apple employee?

"COnsumers should have the power to choose. Not government regulation" Quote from your earlier post, the goverment are forcing companies to give us the power to choose. We need the goverments to force the power to choose.

I shall laugh at you and then move on with life in the mostly iMessage free UK.
 
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I gave a small number. It's definitely more than one percent. I even did a quick google search about it.

Kudos to your wife not pirating. But considering the different avenues for Android users to get apps, yes piracy is a problem/

Several users on MR even bragged about pirating games to 'screw the companies'

Android users pirate. I said what i said.
Of all the laughable comments you have made, this is the funniest. Most android users I know wouldn;t know how to pirate apps. Just bear in mind most people aren't tech fans lurking on this site, and they just want stuff to work, without having to jump through hoops because Apple wasn;ts your user data kept to themselves under the false pretence of privacy.
 
That's not why Apple users spend more on apps than Android users. Apple users spend more on apps than Android users because they have more money, evidenced by the fact that they own an iPhone...
That is 100% completely false. I know several college kids that have iPhones yet live paycheck to paycheck for food and other necessities. You do know you don’t pay $1,000+ up front when you buy from a carrier right?
 
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Again with the "this will not have any effect" but "this is vital for the future of mankind!"
Which isn't what I said at all, but misconstruing what the other person is saying is perhaps the hallmark of an argument not made in good faith.
 
That's not why Apple users spend more on apps than Android users. Apple users spend more on apps than Android users because they have more money, evidenced by the fact that they own an iPhone...

I can buy a new SE 2022 from Walmart for $150. Owning an iPhone isn't a high barrier to entry.

I'm fairly high income and I haven't bought an app from the App Store, or app subscription, in almost two years.
 
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Yeah, some people (Epic and Spotify for example) will probably publish IPAs for installation from their own websites, along with documentation for how to enable installing such IPAs.

What they won't do is stop publishing their apps on the App Store, because only a tiny minority of users will ever actually install any apps from third party app stores.

I suspect Apple will change their fee structure to account for revenue lost if companies want to use teh App Store but not get payed via a third party payment system. Apple idoes not have to let people free ride on their infrastructure.

I will, but I'm a software engineer.

So you should the technical knowledge to know how Apple's ecosystem operated, chose it, and now complain about how it works after the fact?

I get you don't like it, but then change to one more suited to your desires.

Regular people won't.

I suspect many will discover tehy can now more easily run up the Jolly Roger.

It was really really stupid of Apple not to provide a sensible mechanism for all this on their own terms, because now it won't be under their own terms, which is a shame, but they brought that on themselves.

I suspect when Apple does implement side loading it will be on their own terms and result in smaller developers being hurt by piracy and increased upfront costs.

The FAA's 50-year old law has now prevented the development of new supersonic planes though that do not disturb the ground.

While it certainly hinders it, the economics of supersonic flight play a large role in preventing its widespread adoption. If airlines and a/c manufacturers really thought it could work in today's passenger market they'd have lobbied for changes.

Even so, the FAA has moved towards allowing supersonic flight over land.

This.

I'll admit the Panama Canal comes close.

While impressive, I'd argue the Hoover Dam, or even the atomic bomb was its equal; or even some of teh mountain tunnels in the US and Europe.

To me, the Chunnel was more of a political feat given the UK's historic view of the Channel as a natural barrier preventing entry of barbarous Continental Europeans.
In reality, the EU and the US have had some pretty impressive projects over time.

If you disagree with that, then I would like to hear clear arguments as to why you believe some corporation has the right to sell you a device and then tell you what you can and can't do with it.

For me, the reason is Apple tells you upfront how iOS and the iPhone works, it's not some bait and switch. You knew the deal upfront, took it and then complain about what you agreed to.

I'll guarantee you that this has been a discussion at Apple. The question is not only whether they'd lose $100 billion/year, the question is whether they'd lose control of their company over the long-term.

I'd wage any discussion would revolve around how to protect their profits and marketshare while complying, even if minimally, with EU regs.

My purchase of an Apple device was not tantamount to an endorsement of all their business practices, and for you to suggest otherwise is a completely absurd take on how consumers operate.

No, but it is an acceptance of them.
 
This is like forcing Amazon to put an AliExpress store on their website... Customers who trust Amazon would go on there thinking it's safe, then end up buying a fake watch. 😁
If Amazon built a city and denied all its citizens access to AliExpress then this would be a fair comparison.

What we're actually talking about is more like forcing Amazon to co-exist with AliExpress, which they already do...
 
It's common knowledge that Apple users actually spend more on Apps than Android users do.

There are over 3 billion active users of Android. Do you really want to try and sit here and act like that even 1 percent of 3 billion users (which is 30 million) is not a lot of illegal downloads from up and coming developers.

Considering the world literally is always looking for a way to get movies for free, music for free, games for free...why on earth would you think it is difficult to do a simple google search and find out how to get an app for free?

It's 2023. It's not that hard to find out how to get pirated items.

Streaming services would like to have a word with your claim. You are very wrong in this claim. Also comparing Android and iOS users is nonsensical. The demography of the ecosystems are different both as their income but also the amount of apps available. You can get practically all paid free apps in some free (alternative) version on Android. The Android App market is incredible competitive.
 
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Oh wow, I guess Apple should then force the EU to make Activision port Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 to the Mac since everyone wants everything to be on every platform?
 
This is an interesting way to competing. "Regulate" the hell out of your competitor for your own gain.
 
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I never said it was an endorsement of all their business practices. But you did buy it understanding their business practices. And you had other choices. Still do. But you made a choice because on the whole, you liked the device, as is, better than the alternatives. That's how consumers operate.
And now I'm free to cheer on the development of regulation that allows me to do more, and more interesting, things with the device that I paid for and own. That doesn't make me in any way a hypocrite simply because I understood that Apple has unfair, restrictive business practices when I bought the device to begin with.
 
I disagree that it is unfair, or restrictive. So now we're talking about you forcing a view on me that I disagree with.

But, I'm comfortable letting the market, consumers, users, decide how this works while you prefer using political force to negate what I choose.

I'm more comfortable with Apple and the government stepping back and let consumers do what they want with equipment they bought, without any permission, approval or restrictions from the Apple, Google, Facebook, etc. or the government.

That's letting consumers decide.
 
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1. It's hard to say at this point. Depending on how it's implemented, it might be akin to letting "a million flowers bloom" by opening up new categories of apps and removing the gatekeeping component. On the other hand, as we saw with the recent Google trial, most app transactions still happen through the Play Store on that platform despite the moderate proliferation of rival options. My guess is that 90+% of apps are still delivered through the App Store a decade after "sideloading" (a.k.a. open and free installation of apps like you can do on a computer) is brought to iOS, with a vibrant open-source ecosystem existing on the side for those users who, like me, want to take advantage of it.

2. It is to me. I use the mother-in-law example: she has an iPad and I don't think it's important for her Settings menu to get the option to install APKs downloaded from the internet. She won't discover it, won't be affected by it, and won't know about it, which is fine. It's only important for the people who would seek out the option and use it, were they to be interested.
 
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Of all the laughable comments you have made, this is the funniest. Most android users I know wouldn;t know how to pirate apps. Just bear in mind most people aren't tech fans lurking on this site, and they just want stuff to work, without having to jump through hoops because Apple wasn;ts your user data kept to themselves under the false pretence of privacy.

yall really try to act as if most android OR IOS users are dumb lmao i literally worked in telecom for years
and i can tell you people arent as dumb as you guys try to make them out to be
 
THere's more free apps on Android in my experience. Also there's no evidence that most users pirate apps.

to answer your earlier question, why are you so antio easy communication between ecosystems? Are you an apple employee?

"COnsumers should have the power to choose. Not government regulation" Quote from your earlier post, the goverment are forcing companies to give us the power to choose. We need the goverments to force the power to choose.

I shall laugh at you and then move on with life in the mostly iMessage free UK
you see how ridiculous YOU sound? I am not anti communication. I have dozens of cross platform apps that were made cross platorm to do so with android and windows and linux users. Stop being melodramatic and saying apple hinders that when they dont. You said it yourself. you are mostly imessage free aka using other alternatives that people would have here.
 
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