The Intel 13xxx and 14xxx mess seems to be currently dogging Intel. I just watched Hardware Unboxed and they can't recommend these processors now. Gamer's Nexus has done a series on these processors and Intel hasn't really come clean on the problem, resolution or recall. HU said that some server farms are replacing their Intel servers with AMD servers.
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Apple seems to have dodged a bullet in going with their own Silicon
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It might partly be because of it. Intel was happy making subpar products till AMD and Apple turned up the heat. Trying to catch up they messed up.
Intel lost most online PC guys that all seem to go all AMD!
But they also just posted a YouTube video titled "AMD Ryzen 7 9700X Review - Zen 5 Sucks". So either there are issues with both Intel and AMD, or they're overstating things for clicks.
AMD does have some issues with their latest chips too but you can buy the previous gen chips. You have to go back to Alder Lake with Intel.
My gut says there is more bad news for Intel. Aside from “some production issues” there is not a whole lot of discussion on Meteor Lake. First commercial chip-let based processor. Lot of predictions on performance and power consumption, going to challenge Qualcomm but retain x86 Architecture, etc.. Then it is quietly released and all the news about it is “below the fold”.
Looks like Intel is changing course with Arrow Lake, this time producing a processor that consumes less, rather than more, power than the previous generation:
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Intel Arrow Lake CPUs Are 100W Less Power-Hungry, Strong Performance Uplifts & No Instability Issues, Raptor Lake Microcode Fix Doesn't Affect OC or Performance
Intel's Arrow Lake CPUs will feature strong performance uplifts over Raptor Lake while being less power-hungry & without instability issues.
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If they are this is very bad news for USA and very good news for China (maybe even better for EU if they allocate more funds in silicon as ASML is the king of the hardware)
Taiwan =\= China, but yes. US needs to wake up and smell the reality. The rest of the world doesn’t give two ***** about “Made in USA”. It’s not a quality badge overhere (EU).
The common thread I've seen in the 9700x and 9600x reviews is that the performance gains are small compared to the cost, and they still lag behind comparable Intel parts in some tests. With that being said, we still haven't seen any 9900/9950/x3D parts (let alone reviews), so I think anyone claiming Zen 5 sucks based off one of two SKUs is disingenuous at best. Part of that difference is due to the Intel parts having more cores (even if half of them are e-cores), so those parts pull ahead in multithreaded tests. But in single core tests the AMD parts tend to pull ahead.
I would still rather roll the dice on a 7000 or 9000 series AMD build over anything from 13th or 14th gen Intel, especially since Intel has apparently known about issues with 13th gen since 2022 and 14th gen since last year and decided to remain silent about it until the issues became publicly known.
It probably wouldn’t have affected Macs anyway since they would still be rocking 11th and 12th gen CPUs at this point. 😝
I mean China is building big semiconductor state sponsored company (SMIC) I know that TSMC is in Taiwan
Huhn?? How did we get from discussing specific issues with Intel and AMD to the "US needs to wake up and smell the reality." Seems like you used specific issues with one or two specific companies as an excuse for broadly slamming the US.
And it's not as if the US is unaware of general problems with its quality control in certain manufacturing sectors. For many years the US carmakers got pummeled by Japan because their QC was much better than the US's. And that goes back to the 1970's! The EU carmakers didn't do so well by comparison either, as I recall.
So you're speaking as if you're revealing some big secret unknown to the Americans, which is ridiculous.
If anyone needs to wake up to the reality of things, it's not the US, it's you.
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All AMD? For both CPUs and dedicated GPUs?
I’m not a PC guy but, if the AMD CPU + AMG GPU combo offers advantages over an AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU, then, I could understand it. But I don’t know if that’s the case.
Depends on use case. I have AMD+Nvidia 4090, I don’t use it for gaming. But I know gaming folks are happy with all AMD for what they do. That said I am glad Apple moved to unified RAM with AS.
I am still using 3970 thread ripper. Does what ever I throw at it. Power consumption is much better in 59X.
Will be when Data centers move to ARM. Intel is still the king of DC, at least for now.
Every time I have tried an AMD graphics card, I have gotten burned. Either faulty drivers, or just did not perform as well as NVIDIA expectations.
However, I am planning on picking up an AMD CPU in the next month, probably the 7800 X3D and using my 4080 Super for my gaming system.
TBH I went through fair share of Nvidia GPUs. Both 3090 and 4090 have power spike issues. I have clocked spikes of 650 Watt usage on my 4090. I just cap it at 70% and I don’t see many spikes. I heard 6800XTwas pretty reliable and was closer to 3090.
I'm from Sweden and usually think of "Made in Japan" and "Made in Germany" as high quality when it comes to engineered products. I also like the occasional "Made in Italy/France/Spain" for certain items...
What countries are 'green flags' vs 'red flags' for you?
It's the latter. Early unrealistic hype also contributed. The chips are fine, a notable step up from previous. Mostly it's just gamers sad because AMD didn't focus on their needs. Z5 looks strong, though in somewhat surprising ways.
Much as Louis was king of france while his head was on the block and the guillotine blade was on its way.
Intel is taking a pounding right now in DC, where they haven't been competitive for most workloads in quite a while. Z5 promises to extend that losing streak. Latest estimates are that Intel outsells AMD by a bit under 3 to 1, but it's not clear how accurate that is due to low visibility into some hyperscalers. Expect that margin to drop further this year.
This doesn't mean that Intel really is the new Nokia. There are possible signs of life. It will get a lot clearer when 20A and 18A ship (or don't, I suppose, though that's not likely given latest announcements).
Lol. It's been a long time since Intel chips were "excellent". Power draw alone should disqualify them from using that word.