And, that depends on Microsoft, not Apple...in the desktop, laptop market. There are hundreds of manufacturers making Windows computers.
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Apple seems to have dodged a bullet in going with their own Silicon
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Some might choose to go for the Windows 10 subscription so they can have 3 years of Extended service. Last time I check that was the case. I would not bother about Windows 11 at all myself tbh, even if I run an out of support OS.
Luckily I am not in that position. I feel sad for those who are. Windows 11 is a horrible system To use.
I'll find out next year. Fortunately I can run it on macOS but I think that they are only supporting two releases behind current at this time. The problem is that it crashes multiple times per day on macOS while it doesn't on Windows.
We Apple users make for great guinea pigs.
This is an excellent point, of which most people seem to be unaware. We saw the small version of that issue when N3B was delayed.
I don't agree with a lot of the other things you wrote. But I also don't care to argue them.
I hear this “maintaining x86 backwards compatibility back to 1980” and I have doubts that’s true. I had some executables for software I wrote under DOS3.2 and I had a very difficult time finding a machine that would let me run it. Finally got it to run using an 80286 emulator. It was just a nostalgia Exercise but enough for me to doubt this “backwards compatibility to 1980” x86 mantra.
You might have control hardware that's wired into another machine or devices or sensors where you can just swap in a software solution.
Anecdotal thought : when I finally replace my Intel Mac mini for the upcoming M4 or M4 Pro Mac mini this fall, all my computing devices will be ARM and RISC based.
I wonder if someone saw this coming back in the 90s or even during the 2000s when Power PCs were niche and x86 seemed the future.
Side thought: if the industry moves towards ARM and RISC-V (I don’t know if both are compatible), thanks to Apple Silicon, Qualcomm Snapdragon X, and Nuvia… Do you think Intel and AMD will transition to RISK architectures?
I wonder if someone saw this coming back in the 90s or even during the 2000s when Power PCs were niche and x86 seemed the future.
Side thought: if the industry moves towards ARM and RISC-V (I don’t know if both are compatible), thanks to Apple Silicon, Qualcomm Snapdragon X, and Nuvia… Do you think Intel and AMD will transition to RISK architectures?
I think that Apple's generous with Sequoia support for the 2018 mini. I wanted to do some testing and my only spare system is a 2018 mini and I just only looked up whether or not it's supported.
We could see the effects of x86 back in the 1980s as we did maintenance on minicomputer hardware and the maintenance prices we in the thousands to tens of thousands of dollars. Per month.
Intel is a big operation with many parts. They are working on their 18A process with ASML’s latest machines and may well end up retaking the foundry lead with that.
But the problems with the recent series of chips are a very bad look in terms of reliability when they were already known for ”hot and power hungry” processors. They can’t afford many more fubars of that magnitude before the whole industry starts shifting under their feet.
I think Apple is happy to be well clear of that, they are well positioned with the M4 and their pursuit of performance-per-watt, which has really turned the chip industry upside down. The M1 would even today be a good processor, and the idea of low-power-but-fast has many advantages especially in laptops; it is just a better paradigm in a computing world where the majority of consumers don’t need more speed.
Apple had good timing with the transition to Apple Silicon, that is for sure.
But the problems with the recent series of chips are a very bad look in terms of reliability when they were already known for ”hot and power hungry” processors. They can’t afford many more fubars of that magnitude before the whole industry starts shifting under their feet.
I think Apple is happy to be well clear of that, they are well positioned with the M4 and their pursuit of performance-per-watt, which has really turned the chip industry upside down. The M1 would even today be a good processor, and the idea of low-power-but-fast has many advantages especially in laptops; it is just a better paradigm in a computing world where the majority of consumers don’t need more speed.
Apple had good timing with the transition to Apple Silicon, that is for sure.
Micro code came out to fix this issue for MSI motherboards. More to follow
Minimum performance hit.
I still have a 13900K in the box. I held off on building my system.
All will be fixed and OK after BIOS updates.
Not so for chips already damaged and crashing.
Minimum performance hit.
I still have a 13900K in the box. I held off on building my system.
All will be fixed and OK after BIOS updates.
Not so for chips already damaged and crashing.
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Dodged a bullet? Apple Silicon rules the roost as they say. Hardware and Software made together is a match made in heaven. I had a 2019 Intel MBP and now a M1 MBP. Night and Day difference in terms of efficiency and performance. I don't think the fans ever came on with the M1. The 2019 was a small space heater.
It would have been easy to believe in the 90s. Intel had only recently become dominant in personal computers, while servers, workstations, supercomputers, and other serious computers were using something far more expensive. It was a huge revolution in the late 90s and early 2000s when it became possible to do everything on cheap commodity hardware running Windows or Linux.
My 2019 MBP 16 inch was the worst mac I ever owned. Too loud and too hot. I upgraded to M1 Max, and there is no comparison.
Far more important than whatever Intel et al. are up to IMO is the fact that Apple can now very long term design/build specific to Apple's own very long term needs. That is huge.
Intel et al. by definition build to a huge clustermess of vendors with varying needs and with the fugly Win elephant always looming. The achievement that Apple successfully transitioned to its own chip design/engineering truly is huge and cannot be overstated.
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so wrong that "Apple seems to have dodged a bullet in going with their own Silicon"
since we knew in 2017 this was a project and this is just a processor a chip.
there was no risk involved since released a usable and reliable chip this decade,
as Cuppertino would have egg on their face if things failed with the silicon chip.
since we knew in 2017 this was a project and this is just a processor a chip.
there was no risk involved since released a usable and reliable chip this decade,
as Cuppertino would have egg on their face if things failed with the silicon chip.
my 2012 Macbook pro early intel i7 performs as fast as as my macbook air m1 2020 with more freedom
just to let everyone know computers are just computers
Yup.
They can literally instrument their own software and operating system and create their own instructions to speed up things that are done a lot.
Intel added instructions with most releases and I always looked at what they were adding to see if it would be useful for some things and they were always useful to some people but not necessarily to others. I don't know what their decision-making process was to add instructions or even speed up or slow down instructions.
I need to see some quantifiable numbers. I have 2014 MBP, m2 MBA base model smokes it easily. Not even close. I would love to see some thing to back it up.
BESIDE MY ooops cap lock....my experience and just executing simple tasks
HEY
what OSx is this 2014 MBP running?
mine is mountain lion which kick a$$!
case in point my useless mcbook air 2020 Monterey -sonoma
cannot play 4 songs from an album simultaneous.
so that sits in a box while im enjoying computing with the 2012!
Steve knew what he was doing!
Mountain lion was terrible. I skipped it all together on my old Macs when it was released. iTunes on that version was a disaster, had WiFi issues. My 2014 MBP is locked down, doesn’t connect to internet and only connects to one device in network. I still kept it around for old thunderbolt drives, I need to move and retire. I hate running older unpatched OS.