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Apple should be arrested for daylight robbery [MERGED]
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Well I certainly agree about the car company comment! But what are your real alternatives? Windows 10?
I disagree with your comment about older Mac OS not being buggy. I worked at a large tech institution through 2011, and the IT guys always said Mac was as buggy as Windows if not more, just in different ways. The spinning ‘beach ball’ was/is legendary. Being a research institution, they dealt with a lot of third-party software (under Windows too), and neither was superior to the other.
More people myself included have had many real problems with their upgrading their Apple computer O.S. when a new one is brought on, i had no problems with my windows computers O.S.upgrading from Win 7 to Win8 and then to Win10 and with each small O.S security fix's no problems.
I’ll say I didnt have too many problems with OSX Jag, Tiger, Panther....not until Lion. But I concede that the software has become more complex in the last 4-5 years. I should also concede that the Apple Watch team is killing it btw. The new watch looks and operates great. I just need that always on display for the time.
Apple products were expensive yet affordable if you really wanted them. Now their prices have just greedily rolled into the unaffordable and frankly taking the proverbial sector. All but the mad 'ecosystem' and wealthy guys are beginning to find the prices unjustifiable when there are so many capable competitors around. Most of us are longterm Appleheads and we are questioning the prices and VFM are we not? I wouldn't have thought that was a good sign at all.
At a time when OnePlus and Huawei to name but two are bringing amazing, affordable products to the market and it was expected that Apple would have to lower their prices....they bizarrely decided to raise the prices and further distance their 'premium' brand from the peasants instead. Only time will tell if this is a good move or not but I for one can easily watch Netflix and browse the web on a device that doesn't cost over a thousand dollars.
You don’t remember NT 3.x to Win95 to Win98 to Win XP do you ... Apple was around then too, both suffered from many of the same upgrade issues like printer drvers, display drivers (yep), mouse drivers (yes) ...
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And if you do do art, buy a cintiq and a decent computer because IOS apps are still limited. IOS lacking a full featured file system is absolutely mind boggling for a "pro" device. IOS is fine for loading a podcast but it's still absolutely horrid when it comes to multitasking or file management. I won't even get into the garbage tier memory management. You can have the best stylus in the world, but when all it's good for is scratching your back and picking your nose, it's pretty irrelevant.
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HP Zbook x2 has up to 32 GB ram ( and costs close to the top end ipad pro with accessories) . I also have wacom mobile studio pro with 16 gb ram. it does the job. Much more powerful tablets for content creators, but they are less mobile. Thats why i keep my ipad, its easy to carry for simple sketching.
The ipad will do just fine for comics creation and poster sized prints. This is low rez. but without more RAM it will be super slow. Curent M.2 SSD swap files are misery for content creation as a RAM replacement. RAM is ideal because it is so much faster. Using a swap file will be lag city. Ill give it a shot, but chances i can open a 10gb photoshop file are slim on the ipad pro. who cares what the advertising says. they have been lying about ipad pro capabilities since 2015.
Dont get me wrong ill be getting a new ipad pro, just not using it for finishing work in photoshop. it can do light work just fine, and can start files possibly. Im really interested to see if astropad can finally do full resolution without lag with the USB-C. This way we can use ipads as cintiq with batteries. But yes for matte painting, animation, high resolution digital painting, videoFX ipad wont cut it. Its still a valid companion device!
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yeah agreed. its a nice device for simple workflows, but its limits show up fast for more involved workflows.
Disagree about the apple pencil being best in the world, we shall see about the new pencil, but if it still feels like drawing on slick glass ill still prefer wacom pro pen 2. If they gave it etched glass and it still performs like apple pencil 1, than they have only matched the best in class wacom pro pen 2. Apple has been behind for a couple years in pen tech. at least they improved the charging system. that was horrible.
I have only anecdotal evidence concerning memory management. I have to make sure work is saved and the App is closed before switching apps and picking back up with a task. If I forget and switch between apps the first app I was in will time out or whatever it's doing and I'll get kicked back to IOS.
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I don't agree with the Apple-talk that it's the best stylus in the world. I was just responding to another comment which made that claim. The price drop on the cintiq pro 13" to 799 really makes it a much more attractive w/ the ridiculous pricing of the pro tablets.
I agree, it's just gotten absurd now. There is making profits, and then there is ripping people off territory. People act like there aren't companies out there turning a profit selling a reasonably priced phone as you mention, Huawei and OnePlus for two names.
The XS/Max are overpriced by a good $100 at least, but the problem was that the X was overpriced so they weren't going to offer a bigger phone at the same price. They are at most $899/999 phones. The Pixel 3 is $899 and Note 9 $999, with few others hovering around that $900ish mark.
A big screen iphone (biggest in the lineup) was $769 (7 Plus), then $999 now $1099. Almost $350 increase between 2016 and 2018! That's almost a 50% increase. The slow creep up is getting really annoying now.
OnePlus 6T is a very appealing phone at the mid-tier 8gb RAM 128gb storage at $580 considering it has a 6.4" 1080p OLED and in-screen fingerprint. Neary half the price of a Max
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Oh and my last concession on Apple’s side is AirPods. That’s a great innovation. The price should be lowered though.
I’m hoping for the future that software becomes more web based, and I won’t need a Mac or iPad specifically. Maybe a decent chrome book will do.
I’m hoping for the future that software becomes more web based, and I won’t need a Mac or iPad specifically. Maybe a decent chrome book will do.
Tell me about it. There is huge sense entitlement amongst some members here that Apple should sell them the lastest top of the range devices at the most affordable price possible.
However Apple still has older devices available for purchase. You don’t need the latest iPad Pro to consume media or draw as much as you don’t need the most expensive Audi to drive from A to B.
As I have mentioned before, iPads and phones should be looked at the same way as we do computers. Incremental improvements are getting very expensive and you don’t need the very latest device unless you are at the very edge of maximising the computing power.
Well, yes and no.
Apple has more expensive products now, it is charging a premium. In the preceding years, the difference between an Wi-Fi iPad and a Cellular iPad was USD 130, and now it is USD 150. That alone illustrates that Apple is charging more, regardless of any differences in products.
Apple is a company and it can charge whatever it wants. Well, more or less. Microsoft, Google and Apple are the three only companies that produce operating systems for computers, tablets and smartphones, a multi-billion worldwide market. The three of them are charging more for their products this year then they were last year.
I may be wrong, but they may be crossing a thin line. There is legislation protecting consumers, competitors and the economy in general against abusive acts of monopolists and oligopolists.
Just wondering, why should the price of AirPods be lower? They seem pretty competitive to me.
So, what if Apple had iPads that at the bottom end started at $2000 or $3000 instead of their current starting price points? Or $10,000? Would you be outraged and saying that someone should re-evaluate their life priorities? Where do you draw the line?
Sure, Apple is in the business to make money. They made a ton last quarter (https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/01/apple-4q-2018-results/) and has over $237 billion in cash (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/01/apple-now-has-237point1-billion-in-cash-on-hand.html) but they like to claim they other motivations, as well.
I disagree with your bolded section.
The first iPad Pro that came out and it merely that had name (https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2015...-Pro-Featuring-Epic-12-9-inch-Retina-Display/) was 12.9" and started at $799.
Then, iPad Pro 9.7 inch came out the following year (https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2016/03/21Apple-Introduces-9-7-inch-iPad-Pro/) for $599.
Then iPad Pro 12.9" 2nd gen and iPad Pro 10.5" were introduced at the same time the following year (https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017...st-advanced-display-breakthrough-performance/) starting at $799 and $649, respectively.
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The technology is nothing short of amazing in the AirPods. The sound quality is average at best. Just my opinion that they should be priced lower. $99 would be a fair price for what you get.
Again, people are still buying all of Apple's products and do not seem to be swayed by the price hikes. I don't know if there is some marketing psychology going on, like you price items really high and the public assumption is that the product is automatically better than a more inexpensive one. Fashion designers do this - pay for the brand.
Apple's decision to not release any numbers of sales is also telling of this possible shift in their strategy. This is my speculation, but they are making more money because of higher prices, but they aren't selling the volume of products that they once were. As more people hold on to their computers, smartphones, tablets, Apple has to get that money from somewhere...
I will say, most of my Apple products last a long time and the new and shiny makes me upgrade more than the fact that it stopped working. I'm sure that's true of a lot of people; however, that's stopped for me these days. Their products prices, and in some cases quality, have outweighed their products functionality for me.
the TrueDepth sensor is $16.70. Not really too costly
And they have saved money from not adding the fingerprint scanner so there is no need for them to increase the price of the iPad for this reason alone.
Wonder how much Touch ID is to include. Deduct that from the Face ID cost and you have the real world cost to them from last year to this year. Also, removing the headphone jack
As a professional illustrator and cartoonist, I whole heartedly disagree.
I own a Cintiq 22HD (and an aging iMac from 2012), and since I picked up the first gen iPad Pro 12.9, all the Cintiq has done is collect dust on my desk.
I work for Mad Magazine, I've done illustrations for record companies and other magazines, I did a Rick and Morty comic book cover last year, countless other illustrations and drawings, all of which were drawn on the iPad Pro and using Procreate. So, if you think you HAVE to use a Cintiq / Computer combo to "do art," then you're not that well adversed in what these iOS apps can do.
Is the Cintiq great? Of course. It's the industry standard...but the iPad Pro is gaining ground, and fast. I posted some of the below in a previous thread, but it bares repeating here--
The most low-cost version of the Cintiq is $800, which is literally just a screen and a pen. You still need a computer to run the damn thing (so add another $1k, minimum) Their biggest Cintiq (32 inch) costs over $3300, and again, you still need a computer to use it.
As a price comparison, the lowest cost version of Wacom’s tablet (the MobileStudio Pro) STARTS at $1500 (and that’s with a current $300 off promotion). The 16-inch model of the MobileStudio Pro, maxed out, is $3,300. Their tablets, no matter the version, only have 512g hard drives.
It also weighs over 4 pounds and has a battery life (of “mixed use,” so less if you’re using battery hungry programs) around 6 hours. The plus side, they have 16g of RAM. BUT, it also has to run a full desktop operating system ON TOP of full desktop apps.
Ultimately, the price point of the iPP is much better than what Wacom has to offer. The gap between desktop apps and iOS apps is closing. What's the advantage of a Wacom these days? Not much, in my opinion.
PERSONALLY, the drawing experience on the iPad Pro is SO MUCH BETTER than on the Cintiq (desktop OR tablet version) - the only thing Apple needs to do to fully kill (or mortally wound) Wacom is allow me to hook up the iPP to the Mac for a Cintiq-like experience (without using a 3rd party app like Astro Pad to do so.) The Apple Pencil is MILES better than any Wacom pen I've ever used.
I still need to run to my iMac or MacBook to do work on Illustrator, but I've become way less attached to Photoshop BECAUSE of great apps like Procreate, which focus solely on the drawing experience for the user.
Long story short: the iPad Pro rules, and I'll never buy another Wacom product again.
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Right, so:-
Apple products are selling really well.
The current price isn’t causing a drop in sales.
They last a long time.
But they should all be cheaper!
Because entitlement??
Apple products are selling really well.
The current price isn’t causing a drop in sales.
They last a long time.
But they should all be cheaper!
Because entitlement??
These companies are in business to make money. Just cause you think the price is too much (dont worry i do too) doesn't mean they're going to drop prices. They have shareholders to appease, and some VERY high salaries to pay for.
I think people don't realize if the prices were cheaper most wouldn't be able to mentally separate WHY they should get an apple product, nor would the availability be better. constant sellouts leading to a resale market.
Not only but that for all the complaining all the IPP configs are basically pushed back at least couple of weeks, which means SOMEBODY is buying them.
Lastly, they do cost more, but think about how some products last longer than cars. you can get an average 3-5 year leife out of an apple product and still sell it. Had my 2012 MBP been in better condition, I would've gotten $357 to trade in a nearly 7 year old product.
I know. I work there. Hopefully one shows up soon.
I think people don't realize if the prices were cheaper most wouldn't be able to mentally separate WHY they should get an apple product, nor would the availability be better. constant sellouts leading to a resale market.
Not only but that for all the complaining all the IPP configs are basically pushed back at least couple of weeks, which means SOMEBODY is buying them.
Lastly, they do cost more, but think about how some products last longer than cars. you can get an average 3-5 year leife out of an apple product and still sell it. Had my 2012 MBP been in better condition, I would've gotten $357 to trade in a nearly 7 year old product.
I know. I work there. Hopefully one shows up soon.