Keep in mind though, games should not be pegging the CPU at full utilization like synthetic benchmarks do. Based off of what I have seen so far, the Air and Pro should perform nearly identical in gaming.
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Apple Silicon M1: benchmarks and review for Mac Mini, MacBook Air and MBP 13 M1 and comparison with other brands
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Just for reasons of a "complete" thread, here is a summary of the reviews
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Apple MacBook Pro 13-inch review: How the new M1 chip stacks up to Intel’s
Apple's new M1-powered MacBook Pro 13-inch is a powerful and capable machine, leaving Intel in the dust.
anandtech has power consumption measurements for the mini . The mini performs just like the pro , its actually a macbook pro 13 in a mac mini case . The m1 takes around 24-26 watts for multithreaded workloads . So both power and performance wise it sits between the amd 4800u at 15 watts and 4800hs at 35watts . The fact that the mini does not perform better than the pro means that the 3.2 single core , 3 ghz multi core frequency is at the ideal point of the efficiency curve . Clocking higher might 1) be impossible no matter the voltage 2) be possible but a 100Mhz more might cost 50% more power consumption . Intel is out of the game for now and the near future .
Keep in mind those numbers are total system power draw and not just the CPU (at least from the article I read).
yes , so that means the macbook pro 13 m1 total consumption will be the same or just a bit higher than the mini because you need to add the consumption of the screen . In line with the zen2 ryzen mobile chips with almost equal performance ( some wins some losses) . Now the battle is between apple with the M1 and its future M1 derivatives and the soon to be released zen3 mobile chips ( already in production , release in january)
Ah the internet!
Half the Apple haters saying these machines suck because they don't yet have 8 large cores.
Half the Apple haters saying Apple is doomed because no-one will care when Apple ship the 8 large core machines.
The justifications change, the conclusion never does -- Apple sucks, Apple is doomed...
If it's true then I'd grab the air.
If mini takes 10w, Macbook pro same score outside throttling, would the mini consummes 10-15w as well?
Regarding TDP of the mini, I was expecting at least 35W.
If it's the same then how does the air matches it's performance?
If mini takes 10w, Macbook pro same score outside throttling, would the mini consummes 10-15w as well?
Regarding TDP of the mini, I was expecting at least 35W.
as far as i know the air does not match the mini or the pro general performance . Single core geekbench is the same because single core stays within 10watts . A few runs with geekbench might score the same , might not . Until the air gets hot enough .
Actually, the 4800U uses way more than 15W, take for example this review from Notebookcheck:
And it stabilizes because it thermal throttles. And when throttled it has 25% less performance, so taking 25% of its 10000 R23 score ends up at roughly 7500, which is the Mac Mini level. So with a lot of baseless assumptions and approximations, we get 31W (according to AnandTech) vs 50W for 7500 points. And yes, the Lenovo does have a screen, but the M1 still uses ~30% less power.
You can see the power draw here: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested
No. 31-watt measured at Wall. The actual max power for M1(with best cooling so far) is within the 20-24 watt range
Air does not match the same performance during sustained workload (~17% slower in Cinebench), but it is still impressive as a fan-less computer.
A Rasperry Pi 4 consummes 3W.
This, is, amazing.
But that also means that the M1's TDP is much lower than what the enclosure + fan is able to sustain.
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4800u uses more than 50 watts at Pl2. 4700u uses 30 watts+ at PL2. check notebookcheck for power draw. Apple is quite a bit ahead. Core for core it competes with Zen 3. In multicore it matches Zen 2 at lower power. The m1 is 20-24 watts according to anandtech.
My Lenovo 4700u laptop scores 1172 and 7000 in cinebench R23. The CPU only power is 32 watt according to HWMONITOR. This Lenovo is going back.
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I think that's the reason why we are hearing reports like "the fan never spins up".
Some power/frequency info grabbed using powermetrics (not mine) during Cinebench R23 on a MBP
The P-cores (The large cores, or Performance cores) use 13.75 watts total at 2988MHz
The E-cores (The small cores or Efficiently cores) uses 1.29 watts total at 2064MHz
So it's about 15w total for all CPUs during Cinebench.
The P-cores (The large cores, or Performance cores) use 13.75 watts total at 2988MHz
The E-cores (The small cores or Efficiently cores) uses 1.29 watts total at 2064MHz
So it's about 15w total for all CPUs during Cinebench.
Yes, the chart shows the M1 greatly exceeding the performance of the mystery chip, while the text only claims to match it. The art department isn't always in tune with the technicalities ...
Reviews are out now, so maybe we can see if the M1 can match the AMD chips!
My personal benchmark for any computer is: how good does it run Civ 6? Any facts, anyone, about Civ 6 on a M1?
lol - I need my paradox games but a good run of XCOM2 would be nice as well.
According to this thread pretty good
Graphic Performance of ARM Mac's - Steam/Cities Skylines
I saw a Youtuber playing World of Warcraft with the M1 MacBook Pro earlier today. They were also streaming to Twitch using OBS on the same device. Note that while Blizzard is providing native support for WoW today, that patch, 9.0.2, was not live at the time of this stream, meaning WoW and OBS...
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Crying ?According to this thread pretty good
Graphic Performance of ARM Mac's - Steam/Cities Skylines
I saw a Youtuber playing World of Warcraft with the M1 MacBook Pro earlier today. They were also streaming to Twitch using OBS on the same device. Note that while Blizzard is providing native support for WoW today, that patch, 9.0.2, was not live at the time of this stream, meaning WoW and OBS...
No, the text is actually even worse: “M1 delivers significantly higher performance at every power level when compared with the very latest PC laptop chip. At just 10 watts (the thermal envelope of a MacBook Air), M1 delivers up to 2x the CPU performance of the PC chip. And M1 can match the peak performance of the PC chip while using just a quarter of the power.” Note, Apple is referring to “multithreaded performance per their footnote.
As for the reviews, it appears Renoir (especially in its 35w-45w variants) remains the highest performing CPU in multithreaded performance, and the M1 has a big edge in single thread. The 25w version of 4800u still seems to be faster in multithreaded performance. Of course Renoir has a higher power draw, but the M1 is on 5nm and on the MacBook Pro/Mac Mini is using seem to use much more than 10w. ?