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Apple teams up with Adobe for iPhone Flash

inkswamp said:
That's interesting. I was also thinking of an f-word, but it wasn't that one.

Let me be clear: I hate Flash. Hate it with a vengeance. Hate it with a passion. Hate it with a passionate vengeance. Hate it with a vengeful passion. I want to see it shuffle off this digital coil. I want it to die a fast, painless, non-interactive, non-multimedia death. I want its life to flash before its very eyes if only because I love how apropos that statement is. I want every last bit in its wretched code base to be sucked away into that special kind of digital oblivion that beckons technology that goes from being a simple and incremental improvement to being the favorite crutch of every developer who lacks the creativity and intellectual curiosity to explore ideas other than the most popular or the one that earns them the most points with their company's management. In other words, bring me the head of Adobe Flash. I want to drink wine from its skull at the party where we celebrate its demise.

So yeah, the first word through my head when I saw this news definitely wasn't "finally."

I was thinking how wonderful it would be if Apple managed to launch a major new platform for browsing the Web without that cruft called Flash, and lead the way where our browsers aren't bogged down with proprietary, non-compliant technology that gets in the way and causes more problems than it solves. I was thinking how great it would be if everyone in the tech world realized that success could be achieved without the annoyance of Flash. I was thinking we might be seeing the beginning of the end for this pile of crap technology and that we might just see it fade away.

Finally.
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are you joking me? apple is THE most proprietary, closed, and non-compliant pusher of technology out there.
 
I'm actually hoping that this will be the major selling point of the new iPhone come July. That way I won't feel so left out when I choose not to buy it.

Honestly I'm not in the loop as to how or why flash would by useful on my phone. I have absolutely no qualms with the way the browser works now. I don't think I'm missing anything.

I DO hope they implement it because there's a lot of people around here who are really starving for it. And that tells me there's a lot of people who aren't here that have the same desires. But as I said, it offers nothing to me. So go ahead, Apple, and promote iPhone 3 as the "iPhone Flash" and lose a potential buyer. I'm sure when you come out with iPhone 4, you'll have figured out how to make this feature a bit less CPU and battery hungry and my contract will be coming to an end so it'll all work out.

Edit: Give us the option to turn it on/off and there will be no violence.
 
Yes! Yes! Yes!

Please can we make this happen this time!

Its about time really - so pretty please make it real! :)

EDIT:

For all Flash haters out there - errrmmmm... Don't know really what to say... Perhaps if you do not wish to use it simply do NOT install the plug-in once it becomes available!?!?!

How hard is that!?!?!

And please show some consideration for the rest of us who are "starving" for it...
 
deadsouls said:
are you joking me? apple is THE most proprietary, closed, and non-compliant pusher of technology out there.
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Hyperbole!

Sure, Apple have some closed systems, but so does MS. But, Apple is far more likely to use an industry standard than MS.

Apple use H.264 and AAC. MS designed and use WM.
Apple use CalDAV. MS use Exchange.
Apple provide open-source WebKit and OpenDarwin. MS? Not so much.
Objective-C? Not designed by Apple. C#? Designed by MS.

Not sure what you mean by "proprietary, closed, and non-compliant".
 
deadsouls said:
are you joking me? apple is THE most proprietary, closed, and non-compliant pusher of technology out there.
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They typically take open techniques and models (the good bits from open source!) and then package it up in a closed package. So they are a big fan and user of open source models and techniques, but certainly not the "freedom" aspect of it!

Either way, this is big news. Whether people love or hate Flash, the iPhone needs SOMETHING with it, even if its just on the specs sheet and isn't usable. With other lesser phones having some sort of Flash, its used as a point of attack, like copy and paste, that the Be All And End All Phone Of All Phones cannot do like other lesser models.

Ofcourse, as we know, Apple don't like to shove something into a device if they don't feel comfortable with how it works (despite obvious bugs etc certain of their software or hardware have, this isn't a mark for flaming). Apple choose to not even try certain items out until they know they're right (1st Gen iPhone not having 3G for example, theres many more). Rightly or wrongly, whether we like it or not, its one of those little things that make Apple who they are.

Sometimes after a while public pressure succeeds however, I just hope that this Flash implementation is really quite good and usable and not just something to shut the people up who moan about the lack of Flash, despite them not realistically needing it in the iPhone. I hope it isn't half-baked just so they can tick the Flash box and to stop the iPhone being compared to a failure next to other phones JUST BECAUSE of things like this.

Personally I've only came across one instance in my heavy iPhone usage and browsing where not having Flash stopped me viewing a site or doing something, but I found an alternative and my desktop wasn't 10 minutes away so I survived, though if its there I guess I''ll use it, but its far from hindered me not having it.

iPlayer and YouTube being in Quicktime format has obviously aided this greatly. This format, for me personally, works. If the Flash implementation works as well, then superb!! If it doesn't, well, was it worth it?!
 
Coming to the next generation iPhone but not yours because its too slow :).

Seriously, I hope they do this for the current 3G models at least but I could see them releasing it for the next hardware version to showcase the added performance.
 
One thing that really confuses hell out of me from local Flash haters...

They are all talking about: ticking disable boxes, switching it off and similar...

If Flash player ever gets released (as I truly hope it will) it will be downloadable app / browser plugin...

Meaning, if you do NOT need it or want it - simply do NOT get it!!!

And please stop freaking out and shooting down this awesome news!
 
-=XX=-Nephilim said:
Yes! Yes! Yes!

Please can we make this happen this time!

Its about time really - so pretty please make it real! :)

EDIT:

For all Flash haters out there - errrmmmm... Don't know really what to say... Perhaps if you do not wish to use it simply do NOT install the plug-in once it becomes available!?!?!

How hard is that!?!?!

And please show some consideration for the rest of us who are "starving" for it...
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Pretty sure I did show consideration. You obviously read my post. How was that confusing?
 
lostprophet894 said:
Pretty sure I did show consideration. You obviously read my post. How was that confusing?
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Sorry but I never posted my comments as direct reply to your posts...

Must be some misunderstanding :)

My last post was directed generally at Flash haters on this forums who obviously don't have much clue...

One post (not yours!) even said something like, paraphrase: "If Flash gets onto i device I won't buy it"... Hahahahaha! I mean wtf!

He, and many others, obviously don't know that they don't even need to install it if they don't want it...

People...

Flash Player is an APPLICATION and BROWSER PLUGIN and you have full right, just like on a desktop computer, to get it if you want it or simply ignore it...

Now, how hard is to understand this and what exactly is your problem!?!?!
 
In that case, I completely agree with you.

There are quite a few people on here that react the same way to all sorts of possible upgrades for the iPhone. If they don't feel they would need it or use it they don't think it should be implemented. I'll pick on the MMS haters. They all say it's pointless and shouldn't be used because email is the next big thing :)rolleyes:) and MMS is on it's way out. So what!? There are still a ****-ton of people that still use it! I can't fathom how being given an option is a bad thing. But I really don't expect the complainers to explain themselves.
 
beg_ne said:
Why? What's so great about Flash, and especially Flash Lite?

What we have with the iPhone SDK is miles beyond what Flash is capable of, and it can do it without bringing a system down to its knees.

The only "advantage" is all of the Flash hacks could just their existing skills without having to learn anything new to make iPhone "apps".
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You probably don't even know that you're comparing oranges with apples. Flash is a browser and platform-independent standard for rich internet applications, while the iPhone SDK and its almost 30 years old programming language Objective-C can only be used to write client apps for the iPhone - and nothing else.

Nobody except for Apple champions Objective-C. When you're a small shop and not married to Apple's OS X platform, investing time into Objective-C is a waste of your limited resources.

Besides, writing Flash-apps frees you from having to deal with Apple's arbitrary AppStore policy.
 
hobbbz said:
No one is talking about replacing the SDK with Flash, they're talking about being able to see flash players in the browser.

Also check this:
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/01/27/clicktoflash-rentzsch

ClickToFlash was/is a plugin for WebKit that disabled all flash until you click on the area it's supposed to be in to selectively enable that flash piece.

The project was open source but the author disappeared and the someone else runs it now.

What if Adobe or Apple bought that guy out and use this technology to make a compromise on flash in Safari. This could be why he stopped working on the public project.
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An awesome Safari plugin, hope they implement something like it in Mobile Safari
 
lostprophet894 said:
In that case, I completely agree with you.

There are quite a few people on here that react the same way to all sorts of possible upgrades for the iPhone. If they don't feel they would need it or use it they don't think it should be implemented. I'll pick on the MMS haters. They all say it's pointless and shouldn't be used because email is the next big thing :)rolleyes:) and MMS is on it's way out. So what!? There are still a ****-ton of people that still use it! I can't fathom how being given an option is a bad thing. But I really don't expect the complainers to explain themselves.
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Exactly...

We perfectly understand each other and I fully agree with you too :)
 
The Phazer said:
Woohoo! This is excellent news! Here's hoping there'll be some form of AIR runtime too, so ad-funded rental video is possible outside the unlicencable hell of Fairplay!



After the problems the BBC have had with doing this - i.e. people stealing the content left, right and centre, I think you can safely assume no other major broadcaster will ever do this. Flash 9 provides a reasonable level of content security.

Phazer
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The UK TV Licence pays for the BBC, the content is ours, why not allow anyone, anywhere to download the content DRM free which we paid for. Other PUBLIC broadcasters do so for example in Canada and Australia.
 
pizzacake said:
The UK TV Licence pays for the BBC, the content is ours, why not allow anyone, anywhere to download the content DRM free which we paid for. Other PUBLIC broadcasters do so for example in Canada and Australia.
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+1


I am personally tired of seeing all the licence money being squandered on witch hunts, reality shows and other poor programming. We should at least get something for our money.
 
-=XX=-Nephilim said:
Flash Player is an APPLICATION and BROWSER PLUGIN and you have full right, just like on a desktop computer, to get it if you want it or simply ignore it...
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For a pc/mac web browsers it is a plugin. Most likely a version for iphone would be bundled with a firmware update.

Personally i don't see the need to have flash on an iphone other than .flv support. As someone who runs a social media site i could set up a dual system to use both flv and mov but that requires a large amount of additional resources. I do have such a system partially available but it would be nice to see native flv support on iphone.

videos and games aside, anybody who uses flash for thier site without an alternative system in place (especially with the power of jquery these days) is a bad web designer.
The app system used on the iphone is also more powerfull than flash is, leaving only flv support.
 
I hope while they're working together they'll fix Flash Player for OS X - it's constantly freezing and then Safari freezes
 
ThomasJL said:
"Adobe and Apple Working on Flash for iPhone"

Why don't Adobe and Apple work on Flash for Macintosh? I mean, can they work on releasing a version that actually works properly, without causing the fans on laptops to start spinning like crazy?
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I bet that if this rumor is true, this is exactly what's happening. A brand new OS X flash. Steve says fine, here's a list of criteria you have to meet, you meet it, you're in. That will include a rewrite of flash for OS X altogether, scaleable for the iphone.
 
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