Apple Vision Pro Now Available for Pre-Order

[Macaholic868]

Remember there's a 14-day return window. Plan to use the hell out of mine in that time to find out if it's really worth it. The issue is that the App Library may not be substantial until later. Remember when the "fun," new app for the iPhone was the app where you could "fill up" the phone with beer and it would slosh around and then you could "drink" it? How far we've come.

Thanks for the reminder! Since I’m not getting mine until the week of the 12th I think I’ll head down to the nearest Apple Store for a demo to familiarize myself with it plus read all the reviews, etc ahead of the time it arrives then use it like crazy to be able to determine if I want to hang onto or return it. I wonder if that is 14 days from the day you get it until you have to let them know you’re shipping it back to them or 14 days to actually have started the return process and have already dropped it off to a shipping facility so it’s on the way back to them by day 14?

 

[dannynjoni]

Apple’s Newest Flop LOL

That comment is just cringe worthy (the LOL makes it seem as though you might enjoy seeing this offering from Apple fail? Why?). But if you don't see the potential of this tech then perhaps it's just not for you. Plenty of people are going to feel that way I'd guess. But the mass appeal of this experiential device is the future whether we like it or not. Glad Apple joined the fray and hope they lead in this field, and keeps inspiring others to do better like they've done really well historically.

 

[sphark]

Thanks for the reminder! Since I’m not getting mine until the week of the 12th I think I’ll head down to the nearest Apple Store for a demo to familiarize myself with it plus read all the reviews, etc ahead of the time it arrives then use it like crazy to be able to determine if I want to hang onto or return it. I wonder if that is 14 days from the day you get it until you have to let them know you’re shipping it back to them or 14 days to actually have started the return process and have already dropped it off to a shipping facility so it’s on the way back to them by day 14?

I'm pretty sure it's 14 days from delivery... I'd just take it in to an Apple Store to return it.

 

[3224932]

Can someone explain to me what the point of it is?

I see productivity potential when using it with a Mac. I've wanted this for a while with my Quest 2, but I haven't been impressed with what's out there to date. That and Apple has put a better focus on people that wear glasses (like me). Yeah, I know you can get third-party lens inserts for the Quest line, but it seems like an afterthought.

TLDR; I want more polish, and Apple has traditionally brought that to their product line. From the videos/reviews I've seen, it seems they're going to deliver.

 

[miniyou64]

Unfortunately, aren't allowing discounts for teachers, students, government, military...

I don’t know why any of those groups deserve a special discount

 

[kangyula]

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It will look really stupid if they make it 50% taller and 65% heavier too.

 

[wander2024]

I got 21W as well. I after I ordered I went to the light seal and did the scan again twice. Got 23W and 21W again. I’m guessing there will be a lot of light seal exchanges.

When I ordered early this morning, the measurement for the bands and light seal were M-M-25W. Now I use the app pretending to order again, the light seal scan gives me S-S-21W, twice. Were the bigger measurements earlier due to my morning hair? So, is there any way to change the measurements in the existing order? Or will I have to go to the store for exchanges if the M-M-25W does not fit?

 

[sphark]

When I ordered early this morning, the measurement for the bands and light seal were M-M-25W. Now I use the app pretending to order again, the light seal scan gives me S-S-21W, twice. Were the bigger measurements earlier due to my morning hair? So, is there any way to change the measurements in the existing order? Or will I have to go to the store for exchanges if the M-M-25W does not fit?

I talked to Apple Store support via chat and they were basically like, if it doesn't fit, just bring it to the store and they'll exchange the light seal, obviously for free. I'd hope the scanning functionality improves. Mine were MOSTLY 21W, but I also got 23W once or twice, and inexplicably... 33W once

 

[Pmperry]

Unfortunately, aren't allowing discounts for teachers, students, government, military...

They don’t offer that on every product and if you can’t get it on an Apple TV, then I don’t think you need it on this.

 

[mackinmike]

I've got one coming and I still don't really know.

Watching movies, I guess.

Pretty much this and surfing the web. For the price of a AVP, you can get a 8k 75" TV and a macbook to do exactly the same! lol

 

[Carac]

When I ordered early this morning, the measurement for the bands and light seal were M-M-25W. Now I use the app pretending to order again, the light seal scan gives me S-S-21W, twice. Were the bigger measurements earlier due to my morning hair? So, is there any way to change the measurements in the existing order? Or will I have to go to the store for exchanges if the M-M-25W does not fit?

Bigger numbers are smaller. I got a measurement of 21W and my wife 33W. My head is way bigger.

 

[bumblebritches5]

Still not sold out even tho they cut production to 1/3?

 

[bumblebritches5]

If it is a flop, why is the delivery date now 5 to 6 weeks?

Cuz Apple cut production by 2/3 to ensure it would be out of stock for headlines, and still only the base model is sold out.

Sales are even softer than their corrected projections…

That’s the definition of a flop dude.

 

[WilliamG]

Cuz Apple cut production by 2/3 to ensure it would be out of stock for headlines, and still only the base model is sold out.

Sales are even softer than their corrected projections…

That’s the definition of a flop dude.

Where you getting the insider info from?

 

[mackinmike]

They price themselves out. It's pretty much 4k for a headset many that people don't know what the purpose of it is.

 

[FireFish]

I had a dream about pre-ordering LOL.

I’ll sit this one out though. let’s see how quickly it sells out!

Glad to see that there’s a smart guy here in just the second post.
Good move.

I’m very curious about the pre-order sales data, and to see how it compares to the projected preorders.

I’m inclined to believe it underperformed based on market speculation and here say.

Product demo on pre-order page seems very oooh and aaaah. Wonder if they did it in house or via TBWA.
Nonetheless the product is priced out of the market and I have been ‘that guy’ who didn’t care about price before. Not this time.
Waiting for a next generation model, a much more affordable model.
Dropping almost $4g for the first ones is not a clever purchase in my opinion, especially with where the market is headed from where I sit.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Pretty much this and surfing the web. For the price of a AVP, you can get a 8k 75" TV and a macbook to do exactly the same! lol

It's really, REALLY hard to successfully carry that 75-incher on the plane, balance it on the tray table and power it. It's at great risk of getting broken at every step of each journey: home to plane to cab to hotel and back again. Etc.

Different products for different needs. Odds are good that that guy ALREADY owns a TV and probably the MB too and doesn't need another. But maybe he wants a giant "TV" while away from the one anchored to a spot at home? Or maybe a mobile Mac screen bigger than his 16" MB screen? Etc.

"Think different!"

 

[bumblebritches5]

Glad to see that there’s a smart guy here in just the second post.
Good move.

I’m very curious about the pre-order sales data, and to see how it compares to the projected preorders.

I’m inclined to believe it underperformed based on market speculation and here say.

Product demo on pre-order page seems very oooh and aaaah. Wonder if they did it in house or via TBWA.
Nonetheless the product is priced out of the market and I have been ‘that guy’ who didn’t care about price before. Not this time.
Waiting for a next generation model, a much more affordable model.
Dropping almost $4g for the first ones is not a clever purchase in my opinion, especially with where the market is headed from where I sit.

I’m not into VR at all but it’s literally 10 times more expensive than the competition.

Apple has lost their damn minds.

 

[danwells]

It's crazy expensive (it's the same processing hardware, memory and storage as a $799 Mac mini), BUT it's not the same kind of machine as a Quest. It's in a weird in-between spot between consumer gaming VR (Quest and friends) and professional vertical-market VR used by scientists to visualize data, aircraft mechanics to superimpose the service manual on the helicopter, etc.

The question is whether there IS an in-between market. It's not rugged enough for many of the uses of vertical-market VR (would you want to fix an airplane with a big piece of glass on your face - the plane doesn't care that you're scowling at it)... It's rugged enough for most scientific uses and some engineering uses (where the real item doesn't exist yet). I'm guessing it's far too expensive for most gamers.

Apple may be counting on an office-based professional market (video conferencing) and a home communications market (fancy FaceTime, immersive movies) existing in between the two known VR markets. Neither has ever been shown to actually exist, despite bajillions of dollars of spending, largely by Meta... I suspect they don't actually exist, and
I'm not at all sure that this Zoom-fatigued world wants them to... Maybe if it had come out BEFORE Governor Gavin Newsom's son begged him "Please, Daddy, no more Zoom School"...

 

[windowsblowsass]

I’m not into VR at all but it’s literally 10 times more expensive than the competition.

Apple has lost their damn minds.

Those other headsets are all hardcore gamer focused and require being tethered to a gaming PC to function for their intended purpose. While I do think that is a use case I dont think AR/VR becomes a mainstream product if that is its primary use.

 

[8KYUP]

I’m not into VR at all but it’s literally 10 times more expensive than the competition.

Apple has lost their damn minds.

Those of us who have been enjoying "VR" for a while now have been waiting for it to be done at a higher level. Using these other cosumer devices is great but it leaves you with an "if only" list. Each item on the list requires expense. Better lenses, better resolution, better image proceesing, better cameras, better passthrough, better OS. I was stoked to see Apple really go at it. Facial Computing® , wait, spatial computing, is here.

 

[cardfan]

Those of us who have been enjoying "VR" for a while now have been waiting for it to be done at a higher level. Using these other cosumer devices is great but it leaves you with an "if only" list. Each item on the list requires expense. Better lenses, better resolution, better image proceesing, better cameras, better passthrough, better OS. I was stoked to see Apple really go at it. Facial Computing , wait, spatial computing, is here.

I agree but it needed to be macOS based. iPads are useless for me. This is iPad vr with clumsy airplay and ability to display one Mac monitor while of course requiring you to have a Mac.

So I guess …if only. MacVR isn’t a thing. Could be an ultimate iPad for entertainment except there’s little to nothing made for it so it’s a bad time to buy.

Hopefully Microsoft can step in later with a surface Vr headset.

 

[tothemoonsands]

It's really, REALLY hard to successfully carry that 75-incher on the plane, balance it on the tray table and power it. It's at great risk of getting broken at every step of each journey: home to plane to cab to hotel and back again. Etc.

Different products for different needs. Odds are good that that guy ALREADY owns a TV and probably the MB too and doesn't need another. But maybe he wants a giant "TV" while away from the one anchored to a spot at home? Or maybe a mobile Mac screen bigger than his 16" MB screen? Etc.

"Think different!"

I was briefly considering the Vision Pro for air travel, but the more I thought about it, the more it didn't make sense. It's a pretty big device dimensionally for a carry on travel bag when cased. It only has 2 hours of battery life so it can't make it through 1 whole movie unless you have in-flight power or more batteries. No one has yet to test the experience in flight, it may be nauseating or not ideal since there's very little room for AR projection. The list goes on and on.

I think an iPad is a much smarter device to travel with.

 

[8KYUP]

I agree but it needed to be macOS based. iPads are useless for me. This is iPad vr with clumsy airplay and ability to display one Mac monitor while of course requiring you to have a Mac.

So I guess …if only. MacVR isn’t a thing. Could be an ultimate iPad for entertainment except there’s little to nothing made for it so it’s a bad time to buy.

Hopefully Microsoft can step in later with a surface Vr headset.

MacOS was never going to happen. It is great that we have access to macOS in a scalable "monitor". Reports are saying zero perceptible latency for Mac apps inluding video edting. Alongside terrific VOS apps, this is a powerful work combination for many workflows. Here we go!

 

[danwells]

Those of us who have been enjoying "VR" for a while now have been waiting for it to be done at a higher level. Using these other cosumer devices is great but it leaves you with an "if only" list. Each item on the list requires expense. Better lenses, better resolution, better image proceesing, better cameras, better passthrough, better OS. I was stoked to see Apple really go at it. Facial Computing® , wait, spatial computing, is here.

Is your "if only" list worth $3499? Is it worth $3499 to a mass market (the only kind Apple's interested in)? I agree that there's a significant if only list with all existing consumer VR hardware (I don't know how good the professional visualization stuff might be). The question is how many people are going to pay upper-end MacBook Pro prices for something that's running iPad derived apps in VR, no matter how good it is.

If it supports real pro visualization, it'll be a huge hit in those vertical markets, at least the ones that don't require ruggedness - but that's not big enough for Apple to be interested.

To succeed in a mass market, it needs people willing to pay its price, then it needs content (some of which is communication, some is gaming, some is movies and such). Communication beyond FaceTime on a regular old iPad needs Vision Pros at both ends, which means that it becomes exponentially more valuable as Vision Pros become more common. Entertainment, whether gaming or movies/TV, requires someone to put the money into producing the content.

It'll be a wonderful way to watch a ballgame, IF somebody's shooting the game in spatial. First of all, that requires Apple to open up the spatial video format to gear other than iPhones. NESN's camera crew isn't going to say "you win, Apple, we're going to give up our $100,000 cameras and 1200mm lenses and shoot Red Sox games on our wide-angle iPhones". Second, it will require there to be enough Vision Pros out there to make it worth doubling the number of cameras at Fenway to shoot the game in stereo. Third, it will require someone to figure out how to adjust the alignment of stereo cameras on the fly as the action moves. I'm not as worried about THAT problem. Fenway Park is located 1.6 miles from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology - surely, some baseball fan at the famed MIT Media Lab is already working on the tracking mount...

Similarly, nature documentaries would work very well - BUT Sir David Attenborough would reply "do you WANT me to get eaten by a tiger?" if asked to use an iPhone for his principal camera.