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Windows 2000 was NT. You're probably thinking of Millennium Edition, which was the last of the 9x line.
Ah, I see how you are using "NT" which naturally, I considered the naming convention rather than the Windows model change. I gather your correction.
Yeah, I'm going by the more nerdlier underlying architecture definition. 2000 was more than a bit confusing, admittedly, since it was the first NT based OS to not have "NT" anywhere in the name,. With the Millennium Edition floating around right alongside it, not only sharing a similar name, but also an almost identical UI theme, it's no wonder people get confused by the two.
You got auto-updated without consenting to do so? Or is it that you'd consented by selecting to auto-check and “Install system data files and security updates.”, for example? I haven't received an OS X auto-update without my consent yet. Does Apple only sometimes respect the update preferences a user makes?
OS X help file :
Fair enough...I stand corrected. Good points, but not being a 'hater' of Windows, they too are no different, just the method.
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Allows you to change "some settings" to make you feel better, but 'calling home' and always being online at Microsoft is another story.
Why do we have to do so much to keep Microsoft from installing things on our computers or taking your private information? WE pay money for this? Just because they give you a long statement before you install the OS or when you install the OS they make it hard to see to select the custom options as if they "trick' you to go with their default option if you are not aware...seems more like 'tricks' and unethical. "Allows you to change" ONLY what they want you to change..but does not change what information they want....in the name of improvement and security.
In all sincerity, it is stealing. Just because you use the OS does not justify taking information of yours if you do not understand how to 'block' it.
It is like saying, "Here is a free OS, but 'really' it is not free...you pay in other ways. We will do things that make you except our free offer. If you except it this is what we will do. If you do not like it, then go somewhere else. If you do not learn how to stop us, then we will 'rape' you of your information that you put on our OS. we Read your emails, every key stroke you make etc. when you do any typing information in the name of improvement, we have the right to do this because we created the OS, it is ours, not yours, even though you may pay money for it. You are just 'using it', so using it anything that you put on it is ours. If you don't want us to 'rape' you you need to work out and become strong to forcefully stop us or buy a gun so you can over-power us and to stop us from raping you (third party solutions) or continually pressure you to weaken and make you stop working out because it will take too much time to keep your muscles (research every update etc.). In this process, we will eventually take away your guns also so you cannot stop us (more updates to block options). If not, take your business elsewhere...yeah right.
Now in 2016 the OS acts like a virus that you have to get third party solutions to stop if you do not want the company to infect your system or take your information...When I was installing Windows 10 on an old computer to try it out, it actually said during the installation that there was an issue and it decided to wiped out everything to finish the installation. Sounds like what a virus does...
Yes, in many ways Apple is no better, but what else do we have as options? The other options are still limited and if you have to do business on a professional level, you have to play in this playground. If you have to work and use your computer or devices to eat, you are limited. Sounds also like slavery to their system. Yes, it is JUST a computer (technology in general), but the world is now dependent on this..
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I've selected nothing, and it ran updates on two other machine too the following day.
But yes, i could unclick in the same way you "could" on a windows machine!
Thanks for the clarification. OS X is similar to pre-Windows 10. If you had deselected auto-update in the UI, you wouldn't have received the updates.
I'm an Apple used since the earliest Macs in the late 1980's, and have lost count of the number of Macs, iPods, iMacs, etc. over the years. And who knows how many hundreds of people I've influenced by my exhortations to try Macs.
No more. I still use Mac, since I like OSX, but I'm not passionate about Apple anymore. That's a 30 year love affair that's now just surviving.
Here are some reasons off the top of my head:
--- Apple just don't care anymore except money.
--- Apple deleted the matte, anti-glare screen. No matter how much glare has been reduced by the current 5K retina screens, THE FACT IS you can still see a reflected image. When I work for hours on a Mac for work, I do not want to fight with a reflected image, particularly in sunny, bright rooms. I realise the colors of glossy screens are nicer, but, for work, I want an anti-glare screen. For a company that has a $200+ billion stash of cash, is it too much to ask for offer an anti-glare option for those professionals that need it?
-- The thing I used to evangelize to people about Apple was how stable OSX was. Honestly, after Mavericks I hardly used any of the new features on each successive OSX. Apple is doing what Bill Gates did with Explorer. Gates baked the Explorer into the OS so he'd force people to use his OS. Apple could have given us all these new features as standalone apps, but instead Apple bakes them into the OS to force us to upgrade. And when our hardware can't take the new OS we have to buy new Apple hardware. You doubt this? The fact is, the features of all these new features are replicated by 3rd party apps, which means most of these could have been offered as apps.
-- I resent this 1 year upgrade cycle. Every 1 year, drivers for printers, scanners etc have to be updated, and many companies stop updating drivers for older hardware. And all this is forced on us because of silly new features that not everyone uses. Why can't Apple at least ensure that older drivers work on each new update. It is more work, and Microsoft did that hard work, generally.
-- Apple's messages don't often sync properly across multiple devices. Simple things like that should be stable since the app has been here for a few years now.
-- I hate it that Apple has removed the upgrade facilities to add extra memory and swap hard disks. I don't need every device to be the thinnest possible, but I do want to upgrade RAM and SSDs as prices fall.
-- I hate it that Apple refuses to offer SSDs standard in iMacs now that prices have fallen so much. I had to decide recently whether to advise my parents to upgrade their 2008 iMac, but with HDDs still in iMacs, the performance jump is not that great compared to their old 2008 iMac. Whereas, if there was an SSD it would be a massive jump, making it worth getting a new computer. Sure, you can add an SSD as an extra, but Apple's SSD option prices are sheer extortion.
I don't have time to go into all my gripes with Apple, and I think you can find details in my previous rants.
And yes, I have considered going to Windows 10, if not for the fact that I desire gorgeous design in my computer that I use for the larger part of every day of my life.
No more. I still use Mac, since I like OSX, but I'm not passionate about Apple anymore. That's a 30 year love affair that's now just surviving.
Here are some reasons off the top of my head:
--- Apple just don't care anymore except money.
--- Apple deleted the matte, anti-glare screen. No matter how much glare has been reduced by the current 5K retina screens, THE FACT IS you can still see a reflected image. When I work for hours on a Mac for work, I do not want to fight with a reflected image, particularly in sunny, bright rooms. I realise the colors of glossy screens are nicer, but, for work, I want an anti-glare screen. For a company that has a $200+ billion stash of cash, is it too much to ask for offer an anti-glare option for those professionals that need it?
-- The thing I used to evangelize to people about Apple was how stable OSX was. Honestly, after Mavericks I hardly used any of the new features on each successive OSX. Apple is doing what Bill Gates did with Explorer. Gates baked the Explorer into the OS so he'd force people to use his OS. Apple could have given us all these new features as standalone apps, but instead Apple bakes them into the OS to force us to upgrade. And when our hardware can't take the new OS we have to buy new Apple hardware. You doubt this? The fact is, the features of all these new features are replicated by 3rd party apps, which means most of these could have been offered as apps.
-- I resent this 1 year upgrade cycle. Every 1 year, drivers for printers, scanners etc have to be updated, and many companies stop updating drivers for older hardware. And all this is forced on us because of silly new features that not everyone uses. Why can't Apple at least ensure that older drivers work on each new update. It is more work, and Microsoft did that hard work, generally.
-- Apple's messages don't often sync properly across multiple devices. Simple things like that should be stable since the app has been here for a few years now.
-- I hate it that Apple has removed the upgrade facilities to add extra memory and swap hard disks. I don't need every device to be the thinnest possible, but I do want to upgrade RAM and SSDs as prices fall.
-- I hate it that Apple refuses to offer SSDs standard in iMacs now that prices have fallen so much. I had to decide recently whether to advise my parents to upgrade their 2008 iMac, but with HDDs still in iMacs, the performance jump is not that great compared to their old 2008 iMac. Whereas, if there was an SSD it would be a massive jump, making it worth getting a new computer. Sure, you can add an SSD as an extra, but Apple's SSD option prices are sheer extortion.
I don't have time to go into all my gripes with Apple, and I think you can find details in my previous rants.
And yes, I have considered going to Windows 10, if not for the fact that I desire gorgeous design in my computer that I use for the larger part of every day of my life.
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katewes, I appreciate your comment and how Apple has changed. Sadly, it was somewhat predictable as Apple became a financial big shot in the industry. My only reason for sticking around with Apple is OSX and nothing more. It is a damn shame that Microsoft still can't make an efficient, stable and easy to use system that is comparable to OSX. If they did, Apple may find itself short quite a number of people who would rather have a similar system but with real choices of hardware.
In the meanwhile, I have over the last few years found myself with less and less Apple products (and for all the right reasons in which you named a few). If/when there comes a time where OSX can be ran as a virtual under say Linux, I'll be going that route and say good bye to Apple's lame hardware options and the Apple pay to play tax as it were.
In the meanwhile, I have over the last few years found myself with less and less Apple products (and for all the right reasons in which you named a few). If/when there comes a time where OSX can be ran as a virtual under say Linux, I'll be going that route and say good bye to Apple's lame hardware options and the Apple pay to play tax as it were.
This was more or less an industry move, driven by the consumers how flocked to the over saturated screens. I didn't like it when it first appeared but now its the industry standard, and I'd probably complain if I had to switch back
I think that's where you (and others) slipped up. Apple is a corporation, and not a religion that you need to proselytize. Being a corporation, they were bound to disappoint you, as they're not beholden to a certain code of conduct or a set of principals that is usually associated with religion.
I agree, but the industry seems to have done that as well, MS is releasing Redstone which is Windows 10 annual major update. Ubuntu is on an even more aggressive schedule. I agree however, we received a better product when it was OS X was not constrained to a 12 month upgrade schedule.
I'd say Win10 is stable, and as efficient as OS X. In fact, there's features in windows 10, that are superior to OS X. I still like what OS X has to offer, don't get me wrong, but Windows has been a stable platform for some time. I never had any crashes in windows 7, while the UI was horrible in win8, I think MS corrected that mistake with windows 10.
I don't find Win10 as efficient when it comes to some features where power users (think control panel and user account management) have to fuss rather than have a clean and precise interface. Win10 still does (for some) require reboots on the order of 1-2 times a month. While they have worked hard to undo the damage that Win 8.x has done with the interface and a few odd items, we still get updates that are a bit cryptic and a fair amount of user comments on updates causing machines to go into infinite loops of reboots as well as hex code errors that to the layman, says nothing. I might as well mention that Win10, unless the poor user is savvy will do everything it can to get users connected into the MS internet world. Using express to install is the first sign we are getting screwed as it connects up the system and that leads to another nasty bit of business -
Read the license agreement and once your system is connected, MS can have full access to EVERYTHING on your system and can USE all data collected for their purposes. Typical users have no idea what is going on. In fact, it makes South Parks stab at Apple pale in comparison.
What I can say is that Win10 appears to be a touch faster than Win7, look and feel is certainly more addressed than in Win8.x and if people are careful with their install, how they handle patch management they stand a chance of an "acceptable" system that still has bloat and can become unstable under certain conditions as related to hard core applications, faulty hotfix/patch installs etc.
I find the control panel to be very efficient and to be honest much more powerful then OSX's preference panes. Unlike OS X, you have more control of the UI, and there's a nice selection of applications that allow you to alter the UI to the degree that you prefer. Basically you can change windows 10 so that it works for you, instead of having to adjust the way you work to accommodate the operating system.
Mine's rock solid, no issues, yet my current implementation of OS X, seems to crash more often thanks to the latest update. that too was solid until that update, now its crashing more then I prfer.
Nonsense, you can easily adjust your privacy settings.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2971...our-privacy-in-windows-10-piece-by-piece.html
There's a lot I like about OS X, its my preferred system, but Windows 10 exceeds OS X, in a number of areas, and while OS X in the past was very stable, the latest update is disappointing.
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Pretty much mirrors my experience.
I've even replaced a mini with W10 machine as its more stable and more powerful.
I really struggle with the 90s view on OSs and how people just like to dismiss things without trying them.
Just because this is an apple site, doesn't mean people cant stay objective.
I've even replaced a mini with W10 machine as its more stable and more powerful.
I really struggle with the 90s view on OSs and how people just like to dismiss things without trying them.
Just because this is an apple site, doesn't mean people cant stay objective.
The typical Windows user (similar to the typical Mac user) just plows through the install of the OS without really understanding the implications. While Win10 might be more robust than some of its former name sharing OS provisioned by MS, it still continues to have both by design and by mishap issues related to security and stability. I'll include in the stability that all offered parts of the system should work properly without odd events occurring from time to time (see WiFi drop outs or slowness due to "silent' installs of upgrade/patches/hotfixes etc.).
I have often commented on some facets of OSX that irk me, that I find not as developed as they might be and more. This doesn't take away from the fact that Win10 forces people to educate themselves to how to navigate around a rather cumbersome set of screens to accomplish some tasks. A person trying to set up a home network for their family and both customize and provide security will find it a daunting task beyond the fluff front MS puts up on how easy it is.
Without effort, I found the following within less than 1 minute. For those curious, enjoy. I'll stand my my comments and have respect for the typical Win10 user as opposed to some of us here who have more extensive experience with Windows, networks, security and such.
http://www.techrepublic.com/article...y-default-heres-how-you-can-protect-yourself/
https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/
http://www.slate.com/articles/techn..._s_how_bad_they_are_and_how_to_plug_them.html
http://www.howtogeek.com/224352/what’s-the-difference-between-windows-10’s-express-or-custom-setup/
I'm not sold on Windows 10 yet, but I am a Windows user. Microsoft has done very well with the install over all versions for the typical user; a good balance of performance and security. Of course you can tweak almost every Windows till the cows come home.
I am not married to either OSX or Window x.x. While I do like the interface of OSX, it is as Maflynn has suggest as in lacking in some areas when compared to Windows 10. However, this doesn't change the fact that for a typical end user, Win 10 comes with (sorry Steve) 'a bag of hurt' when one first installs it and is not technically savvy. Security is more than just virus and adware or DOS attacks as many of the settings are taken on as advanced settings rather than heuristic with notification to potentially take action (system should notify end user of potential harm and offer up those advance settings in a more easy to understand activity). Nope, Win 10 might be great for a tech type but to a simple computer user, they want a Mac experience of ease and no overhead which is why Mac should have incorporated better and more intelligent ways to guide the user into options for security (as should Windows).
In the end, Win10 is Win7 out of Beta. Win 8 was an OS abortion waiting to happen and OSX is an easy to use system with minimal attention paid to more solid security (with its own set of OS issues other than security).
That's one of the things I like about Windows, its very extensible and customizable. I'm running some apps from Stardock that allow me to do things, that OS X would struggle at (or require hacking the system).
Win10 is not perfect, but its definitely something that allows me to work the way I want too. OS X does some things better to be sure, and I hope with Redstone this summer we'll see some nice improvements to windows.
BS!
Just plain Bs!
OS X is much more personalizable than Windows, and withou hacks that break all the time.
For example, I can set OS-wide shortcuts that I want.
For example, I can select a piece of text, any piece of text, and make a pop-up appear with the Google translation for it.
I can write a latex formula anywhere, and right click on it, and convert it to a proper representation, and back to latex again.
All effortlessly .
Its not BS, Apple locked down OS X years ago, right when there was a vibrant growing theming community. There's some theming and some changes you can make but it pails in comparison to what you can easily do in Windows.
Here's some offerings from Stardock:
Themes
animations to windows
I can organize my desktop with "fences" which allows easy organization
