Apple Vs. The Media, This is why I don't put any weight behind most reviews.

[The-Real-Deal82]

That's a good point. So do you have examples of what you said? Because there are examples of Apple doing it. Some posted here on this thread......

Its a very good point. Is it my turn to ask you a question instead of answering yours now then? I'll ask you the same question again:

Do you have a list of reviewers that Samsung invite to their launches that write negatively about their products?

Geoffrey Fowler of the Wall Street Journal was present at the launch of the iPhone 6 and had a hands on demo. He was mostly positive but had a few criticisms including the battery life, ease of use one handed with the 6 Plus, and the usefulness of sending voice messages in iMessage. He hasn't been banned as far as I know however for bringing up negative opinions. I doubt they would invite people who openly heckle the speaker or go in there with the intention or writing a scathing review. All companies of this calibre choose their audience, but then again your point is Apple do this and my question is still there for you to answer.

 

[jamezr]

Its a very good point. Is it my turn to ask you a question instead of answering yours now then? I'll ask you the same question again:

Do you have a list of reviewers that Samsung invite to their launches that write negatively about their products?

Geoffrey Fowler of the Wall Street Journal was present at the launch of the iPhone 6 and had a hands on demo. He was mostly positive but had a few criticisms including the battery life, ease of use one handed with the 6 Plus, and the usefulness of sending voice messages in iMessage. He hasn't been banned as far as I know however for bringing up negative opinions. I doubt they would invite people who openly heckle the speaker or go in there with the intention or writing a scathing review. All companies of this calibre choose their audience, but then again your point is Apple do this and my question is still there for you to answer.

Nice try at deflection.....the thread/topic was not about Samsung. We are not talking about a heckler. So the topic was Apple....not any other company.
Apple is the one in the very unique position as one of the most powerful most profitable companies in the world.
So you can try to change the topic back to another company. But the thread and topic is still Apple and their manipulation of the media. But nice try though.

Here are some articles to back up my claims. Do you have any?

Yes, Apple maintains a press “blacklist,” a list of people in the media who are shunned and ignored — “punished,” as it were, for “disloyalty.”

“Blacklisted” reporters, editorialists and media personalities are denied access to information, products and events.

http://www.cultofmac.com/255618/how-apples-blacklist-manipulates-the-press/

Apple’s “tell them what to believe” PR strategy has worked incredibly well for years. But it has also created tensions between the company and the people who cover it, as well as within Apple itself. The company’s long-time head of PR, Katie Cotton, left the company earlier this year as CEO Tim Cook openly sought to make a major change in the way Apple interacted with the press and its customers. As the hunt for Cotton’s replacement is still in progress, and the depth of Apple’s commitment to change remains unclear, we look today at the techniques Apple has used to quietly manipulate its coverage over the years.

http://9to5mac.com/2014/08/29/seeing-through-the-illusion-understanding-apples-mastery-of-the-media/

When Apple realized that The New York Times was gunning to win the Pulitzer Prize for its controversial iEconomy series on the Apple supply chain, Apple’s PR team sent articles criticizing The New York Times to other journalists, according to a person familiar with the strategy. Other people say that Apple used a similar approach to dispute some background information in Steve Jobs’ authorized biography by author Walter Isaacson, going after details that had not been directly provided by Jobs or Apple. Similarly, a journalist who covered Apple noted that the company will pitch a story in a specific way, and would “get annoyed” if the journalist wants to expand on the topic, or not use the angle that Apple was pitching.

http://9to5mac.com/2014/08/29/part-3-strategies-the-art-of-deep-background-and-controlling-the-press/



Other articles covering the same topic.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-apple-pr-manipulates-the-media-2014-9

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-apple-pr-manipulates-the-media-2014-9

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Nice try at deflection.....the thread/topic was not about Samsung. We are not talking about a heckler. So the topic was Apple....not any other company.
Apple is the one in the very unique position as one of the most powerful most profitable companies in the world.
So you can try to change the topic back to another company. But the thread and topic is still Apple and their manipulation of the media. But nice try though.

I had to laugh at your opening line considering you deflected my question by asking me one instead lol. I asked about Samsung for 'perspective', to which you agreed it was a good point, but failed to answer it.

This thread is about Apple's manipulation of the media and my point has always been that they along with all their competitors are guilty of it. Discussing the wider problem is very relevant because it forces the thread away from bias and accesses the market as a whole. The only 'trying' thing here is people like you deflecting questions put to you and then having the audacity to accuse others of deflection. Thank you though, I am glad its written down.

 

[jamezr]

I had to laugh at your opening line considering you deflected my question by asking me one instead lol. I asked about Samsung for 'perspective', to which you agreed it was a good point, but failed to answer it.

This thread is about Apple's manipulation of the media and my point has always been that they along with all their competitors are guilty of it. Discussing the wider problem is very relevant because it forces the thread away from bias and accesses the market as a whole. The only 'trying' thing here is people like you deflecting questions put to you and then having the audacity to accuse others of deflection. Thank you though, I am glad its written down.

Thread title says it all....I didn't answer your question because you are trying to deflect attention away from Apple and the thread topic. I am trying to stay on topic and not let you hijack the thread and attention to Samsung. But it was a nice try though. Oh and BTW....when I said this "good point" to your opinion.......I was trying to be polite.

 

[g0df4th3r]

Check these articles from BGR and PhoneArena yesterday:

BGR
Here’s why the iPhone 6 Plus is a better phablet than the Galaxy Note 4

On Tuesday, PhoneArena published a list of six features that can be found on the iPhone 6 Plus, but not on the Galaxy Note 4. That’s not to say one is better than the other, but for many smartphone shoppers this holiday season, these features could play a part in the decision to purchase one or the other

Phone Arena
Six iPhone 6 Plus features that are missing in the Galaxy Note 4

These articles are examples of bias towards Apple.

 

[mercuryjones]

Check these articles from BGR and PhoneArena yesterday:

BGR
Here’s why the iPhone 6 Plus is a better phablet than the Galaxy Note 4




Phone Arena
Six iPhone 6 Plus features that are missing in the Galaxy Note 4

These articles are examples of bias towards Apple.

Really? Then explain this:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/10-G...that-are-missing-in-the-iPhone-6-Plus_id63027

 

[g0df4th3r]

Really? Then explain this:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/10-G...that-are-missing-in-the-iPhone-6-Plus_id63027

Go check the features they listed for the 6+. When is build quality a feature? Metal design and thin chassis are considered features, really? Reachability and landscape mode, are you ********** kidding me? The only thing they listed that is missing from the Note 4 is the 240fps slow-motion feature.

 

[mercuryjones]

Go check the features they listed for the 6+. When is build quality a feature? Metal design and thin chassis are considered features, really? Reachability and landscape mode, are you ********** kidding me? The only thing they listed is that is missing from the Note 4 is the 240fps slow-motion feature.

So, because you disagree with the article, they are instantly Apple biased? Even though they ran another article with MORE missing features from Note 4 to iPhone 6?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Thread title says it all....I didn't answer your question because you are trying to deflect attention away from Apple and the thread topic. I am trying to stay on topic and not let you hijack the thread and attention to Samsung. But it was a nice try though. Oh and BTW....when I said this "good point" to your opinion.......I was trying to be polite.

You didn't answer my question but in post #150 you did ask me to provide examples from what I had said, so you were willing to drift slightly away from Apple when the point suited your point of view.

I am not trying to hijack the thread or push it off topic. My point was valid to the topic and has been a large part of the discussion since the first page. It is possible to analyse Apple and their approach to the media by referencing other companies with a similar philosophy. If the thread is solely for the discussion or demonisation of Apple (in the alternatives section), then it simply displays the same bias it set out to criticise in the OP. It looks like this thread has been a complete waste of time because the agenda was not a discussion after all.

 

[mib1800]

You didn't answer my question but in post #150 you did ask me to provide examples from what I had said, so you were willing to drift slightly away from Apple when the point suited your point of view.

I am not trying to hijack the thread or push it off topic. My point was valid to the topic and has been a large part of the discussion since the first page. It is possible to analyse Apple and their approach to the media by referencing other companies with a similar philosophy. If the thread is solely for the discussion or demonisation of Apple (in the alternatives section), then it simply displays the same bias it set out to criticise in the OP. It looks like this thread has been a complete waste of time because the agenda was not a discussion after all.

I think you should be the one to give proof that Samsung also manipulated the press since you are the one who brought Samsung in. You don't expect us to do your work for you, or do you?

The articles on how apple manipulated the press have been given a few times already. I have not seen any proof that apple is fair to the press or Samsung is also manipulating the press at the extent apple is doing.

 

[g0df4th3r]

So, because you disagree with the article, they are instantly Apple biased? Even though they ran another article with MORE missing features from Note 4 to iPhone 6?

Agree or disagree the article is bias. It doesn't take that much thought to see what they are trying to do. Look at the title of the BGR article and read the context. If you can't see the bias then you are either blind or a sheep.

 

[mercuryjones]

Agree or disagree the article is bias. It doesn't take that much thought to see what they are trying to do. Look at the title of the BGR article and read the context. If you can't see the bias then you are either blind or a sheep.

I would suggest that you just go to different websites then. If you want something with a more Android biased slant, there are plenty out there that will slag on Apple products all day.

 

[mib1800]

I would suggest that you just go to different websites then. If you want something with a more Android biased slant, there are plenty out there that will slag on Apple products all day.

As ridiculous as using landscape mode as an advantage of iphone, please do show us some examples or links.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I think you should be the one to give proof that Samsung also manipulated the press since you are the one who brought Samsung in. You don't expect us to do your work for you, or do you?

The articles on how apple manipulated the press have been given a few times already. I have not seen any proof that apple is fair to the press or Samsung is also manipulating the press at the extent apple is doing.

Have a look at how Samsung handled the press around the film 'Another Promise' 2014 and the accidental text messages they sent to journalists instead of company executives. They had to issue apologies for attempting to influence media stories. It just goes to show the likes of Apple, Samsung, Google, and Microsoft partake in dirty tricks to have their companies shown in a better light. Samsung were also found to be paying reviewers to write negative comments about competitors, something that has been discussed on MR in the past.

We all know they all do it. Sorry if it doesn't suit the agenda of this thread but without context, the discussion here is baseless and one sided. I didn't expect anybody to do any work for me. I knew the answer but asked a question that was dodged and then aimed back at me as a deflection, only then to be told it was off topic. Politics at its best.

 

[Liquorpuki]

We all know they all do it. Sorry if it doesn't suit the agenda of this thread but without context, the discussion here is baseless and one sided. I didn't expect anybody to do any work for me. I knew the answer but asked a question that was dodged and then aimed back at me as a deflection, only then to be told it was off topic. Politics at its best.

"In technology, I would rank Apple the worst exploiter of a blacklist mentality and Google the best.

If you criticize Apple harshly, the company will never so much as return your e-mails for the rest of your career. But if you criticize Google harshly, and the next day request a Nexus 5 review unit, they’ll cheerfully overnight it to you like you never said anything."

http://www.cultofmac.com/255618/how-apples-blacklist-manipulates-the-press/#RqLB6Mw58bPPoGGh.99

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

"In technology, I would rank Apple the worst exploiter of a blacklist mentality and Google the best.



If you criticize Apple harshly, the company will never so much as return your e-mails for the rest of your career. But if you criticize Google harshly, and the next day request a Nexus 5 review unit, they’ll cheerfully overnight it to you like you never said anything."



http://www.cultofmac.com/255618/how-apples-blacklist-manipulates-the-press/#RqLB6Mw58bPPoGGh.99

So what is this actually saying in response to me?

 

[I7guy]

So what is this actually saying in response to me?

Nothing. Quite frankly an amusing thread and certainly will not stop me from buying future iphones.

All Companies engage in this behavior; not only Apple.

 

[mib1800]

Nothing. Quite frankly an amusing thread and certainly will not stop me from buying future iphones.

All Companies engage in this behavior; not only Apple.

But Apple makes the biggest influence since it is bigger and badder. Easier to get your countrymen who have widespread control the media to beat up the other guy.

 

[I7guy]

But Apple makes the biggest influence since it is bigger and badder. Easier to get your countrymen who have widespread control the media to beat up the other guy.

Fully agree but I don't really care how any company manipulates the media for better reviews. Unfortunately it is the new way of the world.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Nothing. Quite frankly an amusing thread and certainly will not stop me from buying future iphones.



All Companies engage in this behavior; not only Apple.

Indeed whether one company is slightly worse than a range of companies that all do the same thing is irrelevant for me. It's doesn't affect my buying choices because I do enough personal research before I invest in a product. If it's rubbish, no amount of media coverage or company puff pieces through advertising is going to change my opinion. It seems to be a bone of contention for some, but that is their prerogative I suppose. The problem some have on this thread is they feel Apple make inferior products to what they buy and feel their popularity is unwarranted. Sadly subjective opinions don't always reflect the wider reality and we go around in circles.

 

[mib1800]

Indeed whether one company is slightly worse than a range of companies that all do the same thing is irrelevant for me. It's doesn't affect my buying choices because I do enough personal research before I invest in a product. If it's rubbish, no amount of media coverage or company puff pieces through advertising is going to change my opinion. It seems to be a bone of contention for some, but that is their prerogative I suppose. The problem some have on this thread is they feel Apple make inferior products to what they buy and feel their popularity is unwarranted. Sadly subjective opinions don't always reflect the wider reality and we go around in circles.

You and I (and many others in here) are the savvy ones but we form the minority. Unfortunately, the vast majority are enticed/swayed by the marketing/ads/media. Otherwise, the advertising industry would have died out long ago.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You and I (and many others in here) are the savvy ones but we form the minority. Unfortunately, the vast majority are enticed/swayed by the marketing/ads/media. Otherwise, the advertising industry would have died out long ago.

Are none tech savvy people going to be wanting anything other than simplicity though? Apple may sway some of these people but to honest I would recommend an iPhone to anybody. Cost is often the deciding factor before the smaller details are considered. Apple are the best in the industry for advertising and marketing and I still don't understand why you consider this a negative? The end product lives up to it and satisfies a large chunk of consumers at the higher spending end along with the other flagships, so what is the issue?

 

[mib1800]

Are none tech savvy people going to be wanting anything other than simplicity though? Apple may sway some of these people but to honest I would recommend an iPhone to anybody. Cost is often the deciding factor before the smaller details are considered. Apple are the best in the industry for advertising and marketing and I still don't understand why you consider this a negative? The end product lives up to it and satisfies a large chunk of consumers at the higher spending end along with the other flagships, so what is the issue?

Why do you say simplicity? Iphone is never simple beyond calling/sms/contact (which is the same for most any phone btw). In fact it is much more complex than any other phones. Try explaining to people why they need itunes before they can extract photos/videos out from the phone (instead of plugin the cables). Or explain the mind-boggling sync which wipe your phone if you set up a new PC with Itunes. Or why the heck you need to create an Itunes account before you can use the phone. Or try to teach them how to use the abomination that is Itunes.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Apple Vs. The Media, This is why I don't put any weight behind most reviews.

I've never had any serious issues with iTunes but agree it needs an overhaul. It's not anywhere near as bad as the HTC sense software I was using a few years ago I know that. This is straying though.

 

[I7guy]

Why do you say simplicity? Iphone is never simple beyond calling/sms/contact (which is the same for most any phone btw). In fact it is much more complex than any other phones. Try explaining to people why they need itunes before they can extract photos/videos out from the phone (instead of plugin the cables). Or explain the mind-boggling sync which wipe your phone if you set up a new PC with Itunes. Or why the heck you need to create an Itunes account before you can use the phone. Or try to teach them how to use the abomination that is Itunes.

Not true about extracting photos and video. Plug in iphone, trust the computer and off you go. The iphone is a drive on the computer. If my 91 year old aunty can do this, anybody can.