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Arctic Fox web browser for 10.6 (32 & 64-bit)
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Shouldn't. 10.6 is still 32-bit at heart. It wasn't until 10.7 that OS X became true 64-bit if my memory serves me right. I'm fairly certain most of your installed software is 32-bit. ;-)
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Good. Day's getting late, so the expected 27.10 excitement will be for the morrow, after a good night's sleep.
I've been using Arctic Fox on my spare computer, an old iMac5,1, for over a year now. I use an iMac14,3 for daily use, but thanks to Arctic Fox, I use my old iMac much more regularly than before. The browser really works great and has never let me down before.
The new version 27.10.1 causes me problems for the first time. The new release can be downloaded and installed without problems, but unfortunately it does not start. And unfortunately I have no idea where the problem could be. Have any of you made similar experiences?
Since 27.10.1 doesn't start for me, I switched back to the previous version 27.9.19, which still works fine. By the way, I have always used the 64bit versions of Arctic Fox, but since the new release is only available as a 32bit version, I have now installed 27.9.19 in the 32bit version as well.
The new version 27.10.1 causes me problems for the first time. The new release can be downloaded and installed without problems, but unfortunately it does not start. And unfortunately I have no idea where the problem could be. Have any of you made similar experiences?
Since 27.10.1 doesn't start for me, I switched back to the previous version 27.9.19, which still works fine. By the way, I have always used the 64bit versions of Arctic Fox, but since the new release is only available as a 32bit version, I have now installed 27.9.19 in the 32bit version as well.
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This 27.10 seems to be working fine, so far no CPU overload and no crashes 
The layout of YouTube channels also looks different, and their warning about “soon not supporting this browser” is gone.
Apologies for the belated feedback and tokens of gratitude, wicknix, but I ran into something curious. Certainly a coincidence… shortly before you uploaded 27.10 for us, the Profile's sessionstore.js file had grown to over 2Mb in the course of 3-4 hours of hardly any activity at all. Furthermore, no amount of quitting and re-lauching AF made it resize itself to its “normal” size (130-180Kb, judging from weeks of backups.)
After overwriting the file with that morning's smaller backup and installing 27.10, things went fine for a while (sessionstore.js getting slightly larger and resizing itself upon re-launch with a few Pin Tabs and a Home Tab left open). Until today that is: within a very short time it grew once again up to over 1Mb, and once again it wouldn't get back to normal. Taking a look at it in a text editor, what appears in the midst of an ocean of inscrutable stuff is the word “Amazon,” repeatedly.
I usually keep a couple of Amazon tabs open by default, but nothing like this had ever happened previously. So I suspect that last Saturday Amazon might have modified something in what their servers are serving to us. After this, following some indications found on the net, I fuddled a bit with the various browser.sessionstore commands in about:config. So far the effect had been to make sessionstore.js even smaller, 65-80Kb or so.
Any explanation or suggestion, for example as to how to force-resize it or flush it if needed?
The layout of YouTube channels also looks different, and their warning about “soon not supporting this browser” is gone.Apologies for the belated feedback and tokens of gratitude, wicknix, but I ran into something curious. Certainly a coincidence… shortly before you uploaded 27.10 for us, the Profile's sessionstore.js file had grown to over 2Mb in the course of 3-4 hours of hardly any activity at all. Furthermore, no amount of quitting and re-lauching AF made it resize itself to its “normal” size (130-180Kb, judging from weeks of backups.)
After overwriting the file with that morning's smaller backup and installing 27.10, things went fine for a while (sessionstore.js getting slightly larger and resizing itself upon re-launch with a few Pin Tabs and a Home Tab left open). Until today that is: within a very short time it grew once again up to over 1Mb, and once again it wouldn't get back to normal. Taking a look at it in a text editor, what appears in the midst of an ocean of inscrutable stuff is the word “Amazon,” repeatedly.
I usually keep a couple of Amazon tabs open by default, but nothing like this had ever happened previously. So I suspect that last Saturday Amazon might have modified something in what their servers are serving to us. After this, following some indications found on the net, I fuddled a bit with the various browser.sessionstore commands in about:config. So far the effect had been to make sessionstore.js even smaller, 65-80Kb or so.
Any explanation or suggestion, for example as to how to force-resize it or flush it if needed?
@Piscatorius : Darn. I thought we figured out the crash on startup issue. Oddly 27.10.1 is working for those who couldnt run 27.9.19 because it crashed on launch. Guess i need to dig further in to that again. I think you'll end up liking the 32-bit builds better. They will support all those nifty legacy 32-bit browser plugins like evernote, quicktime, silverlight, etc. (unlike the 64-bit version which ignores them), smaller bundled file size, etc.
@RobJos : I'm afraid google is your friend here. I know nothing about how sessionstore works, other than it keeps track of your open tabs in case of a crash or a relaunch to bring you back to where you were. I wonder if there is an old legacy FF extension that does what you ask. As for youtube we ditched the old youtube useragent.override that forced the old layout, which google is killing off soon, in favor of the new layout they are pushing. We all hate the new layout, but we felt the need to switch now before youtube stopped working on AF.
Cheers
@RobJos : I'm afraid google is your friend here. I know nothing about how sessionstore works, other than it keeps track of your open tabs in case of a crash or a relaunch to bring you back to where you were. I wonder if there is an old legacy FF extension that does what you ask. As for youtube we ditched the old youtube useragent.override that forced the old layout, which google is killing off soon, in favor of the new layout they are pushing. We all hate the new layout, but we felt the need to switch now before youtube stopped working on AF.
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That heavily depends on their definition of "stop working".
We tend to be a clever bunch of folk, after all...
@wicknix: no, Google is not my friend ;-), but friends like this one or this one don't yield much of anything enlightening: a glitch, which I'm now almost certain is related to actually doing searches on Amazon, combined with our very special browser is unlikely to make the headlines. It may very well get figured out and fixed by Am. themselves before anyone else becomes aware of it (as, btw., seems to have been the case with that mail service I mentioned in our PM).
But your reply did trigger a few thoughts, boiling down to: 1. if Pin Tabs are protected, or locked, or both; 2. if opened tabs are routinely saved in Save-to-Read and closed before quitting AF; 3. if AF crashes as seldom in the course of a session as it always has (the recent plague of crashes have always happened when quitting AF); 4. if my current Profile gets backed-up frequently; 5. if my browsing history is not set to be cleared; and probably a couple more ifs'es, well then… I can pretty well live without the Session Restore function.
Accordingly, the easiest way I have found to stop sessionstore.js from changing size has been to lock it (the minimal version of it) in the Finder — much simpler and faster than experimenting with twenty different browser.sessionstore commands in about:config. So far, no trouble at all, no issues quitting and re-launching AF. Next step will be to try and replace it with an 0 Kb file.
Btw., if this can be of any use to other no-tracking freaks, I also have the Profile's storage/default folder locked, after finding (ages ago, already in Firefox) that plenty of undesirables were leaving their tracks permanently in there.
But your reply did trigger a few thoughts, boiling down to: 1. if Pin Tabs are protected, or locked, or both; 2. if opened tabs are routinely saved in Save-to-Read and closed before quitting AF; 3. if AF crashes as seldom in the course of a session as it always has (the recent plague of crashes have always happened when quitting AF); 4. if my current Profile gets backed-up frequently; 5. if my browsing history is not set to be cleared; and probably a couple more ifs'es, well then… I can pretty well live without the Session Restore function.
Accordingly, the easiest way I have found to stop sessionstore.js from changing size has been to lock it (the minimal version of it) in the Finder — much simpler and faster than experimenting with twenty different browser.sessionstore commands in about:config. So far, no trouble at all, no issues quitting and re-launching AF. Next step will be to try and replace it with an 0 Kb file.
Btw., if this can be of any use to other no-tracking freaks, I also have the Profile's storage/default folder locked, after finding (ages ago, already in Firefox) that plenty of undesirables were leaving their tracks permanently in there.
This app grows well but not is better of version 48.0.2.
When we'll use more add-ons, works on sites as https://app.neilpatel.com/, https://www.mediasetplay.mediaset.it/diretta/italia2_cI2 and lot more sites, this browser will be wonderful.
When we'll use more add-ons, works on sites as https://app.neilpatel.com/, https://www.mediasetplay.mediaset.it/diretta/italia2_cI2 and lot more sites, this browser will be wonderful.
Hi All,
I compiled Arctic Fox 27.10.1 for older 32-bit distributions like Ubuntu 10.04 today.
Download: arcticfox-27.10.1-ubuntu10.04-powerpc.tar.bz2
Further information: forum.hyperion-entertainment.com
Please test it.
Thanks,
Christian
I compiled Arctic Fox 27.10.1 for older 32-bit distributions like Ubuntu 10.04 today.
Download: arcticfox-27.10.1-ubuntu10.04-powerpc.tar.bz2
Further information: forum.hyperion-entertainment.com
Please test it.
Thanks,
Christian
Hi All,
I compiled a 64-bit Linux PowerPC version of Arctic Fox 27.10.1.
Download: arcticfox-27.10.1.linux-powerpc64.tar.bz2
Please test it.
Thanks,
Christian
I compiled a 64-bit Linux PowerPC version of Arctic Fox 27.10.1.
Download: arcticfox-27.10.1.linux-powerpc64.tar.bz2
Please test it.
Thanks,
Christian
You can try the 64-bit Linux PowerPC version of Arctic Fox 27.10.1 if you like. ;-)
Download: arcticfox-27.10.1.linux-powerpc64.tar.bz2
@All
Please also test it on Debian PPC64.
I can't save in developer tools logs and hars.
I've need to save things on Console and Network.
I've need to save things on Console and Network.
I have good news. Since I just couldn't believe that Arctic Fox 27.10.1 didn't want to run on my old iMac, I just tried again tonight. After all, every update had worked so far. And what can I say, suddenly the new version starts! Arctic Fox 27.10.1 runs fast, flawlessly and extremely stable. Just fantastic!
However, I have no idea why the browser only wanted to start the second time. Download and installation went exactly the same this evening as last time. The only difference is that I had the 64bit version of Arctic Fox 27.9.19 on my computer during the first update attempt, and after the failed update I switched back to the 32bit version of 27.9.19. So the fact that the update worked tonight might be simply because I updated from one 32bit version to the next 32bit version today. Of course, I don't know if that's true. I'm just happy that I can tell you that 27.10.1 is running, and in my opinion it's a very successful update.
However, I have no idea why the browser only wanted to start the second time. Download and installation went exactly the same this evening as last time. The only difference is that I had the 64bit version of Arctic Fox 27.9.19 on my computer during the first update attempt, and after the failed update I switched back to the 32bit version of 27.9.19. So the fact that the update worked tonight might be simply because I updated from one 32bit version to the next 32bit version today. Of course, I don't know if that's true. I'm just happy that I can tell you that 27.10.1 is running, and in my opinion it's a very successful update.
Update — 27.10.1 on Mac OSX 10.6.8
1. Quite a few sites turn up with a much nicer layout than they used to.
2. YouTube: things are not quite as rosy as they seemed at first. Loading single pages (channels or videos) is still rather sluggish (bouts of pizza wheel), so that I'm having to revise my habit of loading 8-10 of them in one shot (—> 1x AF-crash). So far, 2 or 3 pages at a time seem to be a tolerable limit to avoid a crash. Once they're done loading, it's OK to open another 2-3 of them.
3. Similar problem with Amazon's heavy pages (—> 2x AF-crashes), as having to open ten or more tabs at a time is sometimes necessary for price comparison. So right now, as in the case of YouTube, I'm being careful. It's possible that deleting AF's cache each time it quits has an effect here. Also: Amazon has been going through a fit of changes lately, and there's been a glitch on one of the platforms for a few days that kept its main page from finishing loading.
4. These crashes taught me the hard way that things are not as simple as they sounded wrt. the procedure described in post 734 — locking the file sessionstore.js in the current profile to keep it from expanding out of control. At this point I'd suggest launching AF only with Pin Tabs and Home Tab open (if any), letting it "breathe" a bit (that is, not doing anything) so that sessionstore.js has enough time to refresh, then quitting AF, and repeating this sequence a few times before locking the file for good. Another option could be making a clean start with the default sessionstore.js that gets created by AF when it creates a new profile:
(time stamps would be different, of course)
5. A question for other users of uBlock Origin. Its database ublock0.sqlite (in the [current profile]/extension-data folder) got suddenly resized to 34.6Mb from the 47.9Mb it used to fill — without my editing the filter lists. Because it happened in the midst of other adventures, like upgrading AF, cleaning up certificates in KeyChain Access, new version of uB0 that dispenses of the uB0 Updater extension etc. etc., I can't figure out what could have happened (apparently there's no discussion forum dedicated to uB0?)
1. Quite a few sites turn up with a much nicer layout than they used to.
2. YouTube: things are not quite as rosy as they seemed at first. Loading single pages (channels or videos) is still rather sluggish (bouts of pizza wheel), so that I'm having to revise my habit of loading 8-10 of them in one shot (—> 1x AF-crash). So far, 2 or 3 pages at a time seem to be a tolerable limit to avoid a crash. Once they're done loading, it's OK to open another 2-3 of them.
3. Similar problem with Amazon's heavy pages (—> 2x AF-crashes), as having to open ten or more tabs at a time is sometimes necessary for price comparison. So right now, as in the case of YouTube, I'm being careful. It's possible that deleting AF's cache each time it quits has an effect here. Also: Amazon has been going through a fit of changes lately, and there's been a glitch on one of the platforms for a few days that kept its main page from finishing loading.
4. These crashes taught me the hard way that things are not as simple as they sounded wrt. the procedure described in post 734 — locking the file sessionstore.js in the current profile to keep it from expanding out of control. At this point I'd suggest launching AF only with Pin Tabs and Home Tab open (if any), letting it "breathe" a bit (that is, not doing anything) so that sessionstore.js has enough time to refresh, then quitting AF, and repeating this sequence a few times before locking the file for good. Another option could be making a clean start with the default sessionstore.js that gets created by AF when it creates a new profile:
{"windows":[],"selectedWindow":0,"_closedWindows":[],"session":{"state":"stopped","lastUpdate":1553715043452,"startTime":1553715018141,"recentCrashes":0},"scratchpads":[],"browserConsole":false}(time stamps would be different, of course)
5. A question for other users of uBlock Origin. Its database ublock0.sqlite (in the [current profile]/extension-data folder) got suddenly resized to 34.6Mb from the 47.9Mb it used to fill — without my editing the filter lists. Because it happened in the midst of other adventures, like upgrading AF, cleaning up certificates in KeyChain Access, new version of uB0 that dispenses of the uB0 Updater extension etc. etc., I can't figure out what could have happened (apparently there's no discussion forum dedicated to uB0?)
@wicknix: New crash today, after opening 5-6 tabs simultaneously on Amazon Germany, which is precisely the Amazon platform that had been giving some trouble a couple of days ago. It's not the Am. platform I use the most, and after this I have been browsing hassle-free on other ones, with multiple tabs open.
Then, here's a mistery for you. I believe I had mentioned that the places.sqlite file (which, if I'm not mistaken, stores the browsing history and bookmarks) had grown from 31.5Mb to 41.9Mb a month ago, around the time I was testing the α-version of 27.10 (then going back to 27.9.18, and experiencing some difficulties in the process.) Well, now the exact contrary has happened — it shrunk back to 31.5Mb — during a lapse of time of an hour or so while I was away from the computer and the browser was inactive (as evidenced by the absence of entries in the browsing history.) How in the world is this possible??
Then, here's a mistery for you. I believe I had mentioned that the places.sqlite file (which, if I'm not mistaken, stores the browsing history and bookmarks) had grown from 31.5Mb to 41.9Mb a month ago, around the time I was testing the α-version of 27.10 (then going back to 27.9.18, and experiencing some difficulties in the process.) Well, now the exact contrary has happened — it shrunk back to 31.5Mb — during a lapse of time of an hour or so while I was away from the computer and the browser was inactive (as evidenced by the absence of entries in the browsing history.) How in the world is this possible??
Heh. Good question. It may have something to do with the multitude of extensions you use, or maybe it's doing what it's supposed to do, or maybe something is quirky. You'd have to ask the old mozilla/pm devs about that one. We didn't create the browser. We just picked up where others left off after it had been abandoned and gave it a new name/look while patching it up enough to still be semi relevant on the web.
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Always more sites stop to develop for Snow Leopard. We have to need a browser because our Macs are not really so bads, to be honest.
https://www.canva.com/it_it/ is loaded, and load strangely also file Webp. But, I can't press on buttons.
I give some links to developing, maybe you'll do finally a very good browser. I use still a few Arctic Fox, but I've trusted in your work.
https://tests.caniuse.com/
https://html5test.com/
https://www.canva.com/it_it/ is loaded, and load strangely also file Webp. But, I can't press on buttons.
I give some links to developing, maybe you'll do finally a very good browser. I use still a few Arctic Fox, but I've trusted in your work.
https://tests.caniuse.com/
https://html5test.com/
Yes, if you mean that stuff belonging to extensions is also stashed in that file (I still don't know how to open a .sqlite in my OS), I might see how it relates to the sudden drastic shrinkage of uB0's database mentioned in my earlier post… but then, why the delay?
At least now I get the idea that there are many more layers of devs'es than I was aware of, even if I still have not a clue of who does/did what. Accordingly, I have no way of knowing what you don't know, so you'll pardon me for keeping on asking things now and again — fully accepting a reply telling me that you don't know.
Ask the old devs? Right. Besides you wicknix being this ultimately remarkable dev/geek (and I can't thank you enough for that) who understands that if humans are addressing you, you also have to reply as if they were human, your friendly Mozillers will most likely tell me to upgrade my browser/system/computer/freezer/house/insurance/graveyard plot — and it probably won't work because I won't be able to activate post-mortem the app that should take me to the crematory. </rant>
Here it's only the Iscriviti ["Sign up"] button that's not working, whereas going through the menus the rest of the site appears to be working fine. But the mobile version of their site is more “polite”, in that it tells you right away that our AF is an outdated browser.
FIY (I don't know what you know), here's from another irreductible Snow Leopard user: for sites allergic to AF that I really need but that do not require spending much time on heavy activity, I've got a light Linux installation running in Oracle's VirtualBox (last version running under SnL: 4.3.40) from which I can run all the latest PaleMoon, Firefox, Opera, Brave. My machine is a 2011 2.3 Ghz Intel Core i7, so usually, speed-wise, there are no problems. As a bonus your firewall protection gets at least doubled up. Also: I was able watch some non-downloadable videos from Swiss TV and even from poorly conceived RAI, so I guess it should also be possible with Mediaset.
If you're not familiar with Linux, compared to SnL it's be a bit like going back to stay at “il borgo del nonno” after years at a Caribbean condo, but for short stays I guess one can get used to anything (nothing personal, Linux folks
But what really drives me crazy wrt. accessibility is the increasing number of services, at least in Europe, that demand that you use an S-phone, even only to register and make use of their sites. On the assumption that everyone owns one of those brainkillers. Hate.
Cool site, this last one. Results from a few tests (out of a max. of 555 points):
MacOS Sierra Waterfox: 454
MacOS Sierra Brave: 531
MacOS Sierra: 493
Linux PaleMoon: 412
Linux Firefox: 508
Linux Opera: 527
Linux Brave: 528
Snow Leopard Arctic Fox (depending on UA): 385-390
@wicknix: please don't let these figures drive you into the dark depths of despondency — I'd keep on using AF and SnL any time, against clumsy Brave in clumsy Sierra. It would also be useful to know how much “support of html5” represents out of the total browsing experience.
I can't buy a new pc and must use this Snow Leopard. Everything stays starting to end and sincerely, this mac could give really lot...
I'm happy to have found someone that wants help who has old pc.
I hope to see addons works and I dream to see also chrome addons.
Also, the first CanIuse should be good for developers.
I'm happy to have found someone that wants help who has old pc.
I hope to see addons works and I dream to see also chrome addons.
Also, the first CanIuse should be good for developers.
No worries. The html5 test site means nothing really. Palemoon and arctic fox purposely disabled or removed code for things such as webrtc, which drastically affect the score. We both believe in being more secure rather than get a better score but leak your ip address etc.
@Giuliano C there are already hundreds of add-ons available. Check out addons.palemoon.org . All addons/themes compatible with pm27 will work in arctic fox. You may also use most, but not all add-ons from the classic add-ons archive.
Cheers
@Giuliano C there are already hundreds of add-ons available. Check out addons.palemoon.org . All addons/themes compatible with pm27 will work in arctic fox. You may also use most, but not all add-ons from the classic add-ons archive.
Cheers