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Are Android tablets dead??

  • Yes!

    Votes: 36 50.0%
  • No!

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admob71

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I didn't say there was. I just said that the idea of forever needing a mouse and file manager is an antiquated idea. Technology evolves and we need to evolve with it as newer ways of using it take over.
Evolves lol, you mean because apple don't provide it because control freak jobs didn't want you to have it, then it's no good!!! Why have a file manager on an imac? Is that antiquated as well? Face it, the iPhone is a shiny toy, end of..
 

Michael Goff

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I was avoiding getting involved but the statement "Technology evolves and we need to evolve with it" is just wrong on so many levels. Technology should never be the driver or you end up with people using tablets to do things that are 10 times faster with a pen and paper. Truly ludicrous.

Examples of things that are 10x faster with pen and paper, please.

Evolves lol, you mean because apple don't provide it because control freak jobs didn't want you to have it, then it's no good!!! Why have a file manager on an imac? Is that antiquated as well? Face it, the iPhone is a shiny toy, end of..

I was using the Surface Pro 3 before I moved to the MBP (and then later the iPad). I've been using Windows computers primarily for most of my life. And the way I use them, and the way a lot of people use them, is to go to the program that you need to use and open the file from there. I didn't say the file system is no good, a comman line is still good for some niche cases. Neither a command line nor a file manager are things that make or break a device for 95% of people, though.

Also, we have a file manager on OS X because it's a legacy system that's been around for a long time.
 

martint235

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Examples of things that are 10x faster with pen and paper, please..

Noting down a phone number from an unexpected caller. Writing something down when your tablet is charging in another room. Writing a shopping list so you don't look stupid trying to push a shopping trolley and balance a tablet at the same time.
 

Michael Goff

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Noting down a phone number from an unexpected caller. Writing something down when your tablet is charging in another room. Writing a shopping list so you don't look stupid trying to push a shopping trolley and balance a tablet at the same time.

A) Sure, makes sense.
B) Seemd like a stretch. But why not take a quick note on your smartphone? Or is that somehow dead in this scenario as well?
C) Smartphone
 

martint235

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A) Sure, makes sense.
B) Seemd like a stretch But why not take a quick note on your smartphone? Or is that somehow dead in this scenario as well?
C) Smartphone
I could possibly use a smartphone but my point is still valid that technology should make things easier for us not that we should change our behaviour to make technology valuable to us.
 
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Michael Goff

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I could possibly use a smartphone but my point is still valid that technology should make things easier for us not that we should change our behaviour to make technology valuable to us.

The point of evolving with technology wasn't forcing it into situations it's bad for. The point, and one you seem to have missed, is to not hold back on the idea of using something because it isn't how things used to be. There was a time when people didn't use mice, and then we did.
 

martint235

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Your post didn't come across as being against those that say "but we've always done it this way" rather that we should change to make technology valuable. Both ideals are wrong to me and the question shouldn't be "how do we use technology to make this easier", it should be "by doing this what am I trying to achieve and is it possible to utilise technology to achieve the goal in a quicker or more efficient way"
 
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jamesrick80

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I didn't say there was. I just said that the idea of forever needing a mouse and file manager is an antiquated idea. Technology evolves and we need to evolve with it as newer ways of using it take over.
I never said anything about forever needing a mouse or file manager. OF course technology evolves, but if something is made simpler by using a file manager or mouse...then trust me I will prefer the simpler and faster process. The newer ways especially in iOS are much slower and take more steps....
 

Michael Goff

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I never said anything about forever needing a mouse or file manager. OF course technology evolves, but if something is made simpler by using a file manager or mouse...then trust me I will prefer the simpler and faster process. The newer ways especially in iOS are much slower and take more steps....

Except I'd argue that things are faster by using the apps to manage their own data.
 

admob71

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Examples of things that are 10x faster with pen and paper, please.



I was using the Surface Pro 3 before I moved to the MBP (and then later the iPad). I've been using Windows computers primarily for most of my life. And the way I use them, and the way a lot of people use them, is to go to the program that you need to use and open the file from there. I didn't say the file system is no good, a comman line is still good for some niche cases. Neither a command line nor a file manager are things that make or break a device for 95% of people, though.

Also, we have a file manager on OS X because it's a legacy system that's been around for a long time.
I've used OSX and the previous runners daily for 20 years, trust me, without a file accessible system, it would be dead!!
 
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mi7chy

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Why limit yourself to Safari if you don't like it?

Download Chrome, Dolphin or Firefox from the App Store. The iPad is not limited to one browser as you suggest.

Doesn't matter if you switch to a different browser on iOS since Apple forces the same broken Safari rendering engine. There's also the issue of not being able to change the default browser app so instead of clicking on a link you have to jump through hoops to copy/paste into non-default browser. Trying to browse on iOS Safari feels a little too much like this...

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When it comes to browser I only have four main requirements that it renders sites correctly, stability, fast smooth scrolling and ad blocking for both 32 and 64-bit ARM. Only Chrome delivers. Firefox is a close second. iOS Safari is broken in all four categories. Seems like every other iOS update reintroduces the spinning wheel "problem occurred with this web page so it was reloaded", javascript engine bug that freezes the iPad, MR forum intermittently not rendering properly, etc. Problem is Apple won't fix any of this because of apologists claiming everything is perfect when it's not.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Doesn't matter if you switch to a different browser on iOS since Apple forces the same broken Safari rendering engine. There's also the issue of not being able to change the default browser app so instead of clicking on a link you have to jump through hoops to copy/paste into non-default browser. Trying to browse on iOS Safari feels a little too much like this...

j4.jpg


When it comes to browser I only have four main requirements that it renders sites correctly, stability, fast smooth scrolling and ad blocking for both 32 and 64-bit ARM. Only Chrome delivers. Firefox is a close second. iOS Safari is broken in all four categories. Seems like every other iOS update reintroduces the spinning wheel "problem occurred with this web page so it was reloaded", javascript engine bug that freezes the iPad, MR forum intermittently not rendering properly, etc. Problem is Apple won't fix any of this because of apologists claiming everything is perfect when it's not.
I use both Chrome and Safari and haven't noticed rendering problems or issues with scrolling. I use Tapatalk for viewing Mac Rumors because to be frank it's prettier and easier to use than the website itself. I can't remember the last time I viewed MR on a PC, maybe 2014?

If Apple don't fix the problems you have because of apologists, then I can only laugh at such a far fetched statement. That sounds more like a parting swipe to end your post in your usual biased way to me. lol ;)
 
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spinedoc77

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I never understood why some argue that iOS is actually a step forwards. Losing the mouse support in an OS is supposed to be the way forward why? Same with the file manager. I would rather have the option, than not have a choice. If I need to sit down and do some heavy word processing you can bet I'm going to want that mouse. If I have to do something file centric I'd rather have the option to use a file manager. It's always struck me as odd that anyone would defend taking away choices and functionality. Anytime I'm stuck with iOS I feel deeply hamstrung in my abilities to use a computer.

But back to topic, personally I think all 8" and below tablets will disappear when foldable screens become affordable and available. The category of smartphone and tablet will be combined and there will be no need for separate devices. Eventually I see that happening with all tablets, but I don't think we'll be able to fold screens into quarters anytime soon.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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I never understood why some argue that iOS is actually a step forwards. Losing the mouse support in an OS is supposed to be the way forward why? Same with the file manager. I would rather have the option, than not have a choice. If I need to sit down and do some heavy word processing you can bet I'm going to want that mouse. If I have to do something file centric I'd rather have the option to use a file manager. It's always struck me as odd that anyone would defend taking away choices and functionality. Anytime I'm stuck with iOS I feel deeply hamstrung in my abilities to use a computer.

But back to topic, personally I think all 8" and below tablets will disappear when foldable screens become affordable and available. The category of smartphone and tablet will be combined and there will be no need for separate devices. Eventually I see that happening with all tablets, but I don't think we'll be able to fold screens into quarters anytime soon.
Why not use iCloud Drive for your file system? I don't have much of a use for it myself but if allows you to quickly access folders and organise your data. I agree, tablets are not good for word processing and if you want to use a mouse then the laptop is ideal for that. My tablet and my laptop could never replace each other as they serve very different purposes.

It's also worth noting that big screened phones are not popular with everybody and my iPad is considerably bigger than my iPhone 6 therefore trumps it for certain tasks without the inconvenience of having to carry it around. I could never consider a 6 Plus as I simply couldn't carry it around day to day. iPads are also a lot cheaper and bridge the gap for many.
 

spinedoc77

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Why not use iCloud Drive for your file system? I don't have much of a use for it myself but if allows you to quickly access folders and organise your data. I agree, tablets are not good for word processing and if you want to use a mouse then the laptop is ideal for that. My tablet and my laptop could never replace each other as they serve very different purposes.

It's also worth noting that big screened phones are not popular with everybody and my iPad is considerably bigger than my iPhone 6 therefore trumps it for certain tasks without the inconvenience of having to carry it around. I could never consider a 6 Plus as I simply couldn't carry it around day to day. iPads are also a lot cheaper and bridge the gap for many.

How would iCloud work when I'm not connected to the internet, or when the price of data makes it prohibitive? Besides iCloud is just a repository, not really a file manager. Luckily my tablet DOES replace my laptop quite handily, but that's off topic so I won't go there. A bit more on topic is that mouse support in Android would allow one more readily to replace a laptop. Note I'm NOT saying it's a great option, but it IS an option.

I'm not talking about big screen phones though.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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How would iCloud work when I'm not connected to the internet, or when the price of data makes it prohibitive? Besides iCloud is just a repository, not really a file manager. Luckily my tablet DOES replace my laptop quite handily, but that's off topic so I won't go there. A bit more on topic is that mouse support in Android would allow one more readily to replace a laptop. Note I'm NOT saying it's a great option, but it IS an option.

I'm not talking about big screen phones though.
I don't know, as I said I don't use it as I don't have a need for it myself.

Technology has a long way to come before a tablet can replace a laptop for me.
 

spinedoc77

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I don't know, as I said I don't use it as I don't have a need for it myself.

Technology has a long way to come before a tablet can replace a laptop for me.

I'm sure that makes sense for you, I don't know how you use your laptop and it's probably not the same as I would use mine. For me, technology has allowed me to fully replace my laptop with NO caveats whatsoever. If anything now I have more freedom than I had with a laptop.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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I'm sure that makes sense for you, I don't know how you use your laptop and it's probably not the same as I would use mine. For me, technology has allowed me to fully replace my laptop with NO caveats whatsoever. If anything now I have more freedom than I had with a laptop.
I'm a Design Engineer so the types of software I use would not be available on tablets nor would they have the graphics and rendering power to handle assemblies with a few thousand components. My laptop even struggles sometimes but it's portable in comparison to a desktop.

My tablet needs are probably like most of the market. Social media, web browsing, and watching Netflix are about as demanding as I need it. This is the reason a lot of people don't replace their tablets every 2 or 3 years.
 

spinedoc77

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I'm a Design Engineer so the types of software I use would not be available on tablets nor would they have the graphics and rendering power to handle assemblies with a few thousand components. My laptop even struggles sometimes but it's portable in comparison to a desktop.

My tablet needs are probably like most of the market. Social media, web browsing, and watching Netflix are about as demanding as I need it. This is the reason a lot of people don't replace their tablets every 2 or 3 years.

You would be surprised what runs on a surface pro tablet. Although I'm not arguing with you, laptops are available with an incredible amount of power, graphics cards, etc so no doubt for your particular use a tablet is not yet able to replace your laptop. Your needs are specialized and not typical of the consumer market. It seems that since you already have a laptop you use the tablet as more of a true tablet, consuming media and such.
 
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Techsar

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I think tablet as whole is in slow but surely death. As our phone gets bigger and laptop become thinner, there is less need for tablet.

The declining in tablet sale really tells you that people aren't using tablet that much.

I would say that tablet like iPad Air or iPad Mino has no future, but hybrid tablet like Surface or iPad Pro would be the future of tablet. And tablet will start adopting desktop OS or adopting certain aspects of desktop OS... Pure tablet with mobile OS wold be very niche.

agree, tablets, phablets and so on are getting controversial and misleading, so the most convenient & functional devices will survive
 

spinedoc77

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agree, tablets, phablets and so on are getting controversial and misleading, so the most convenient & functional devices will survive

I think part of it is also semantics. Maybe something isn't going to die, but it will merge. As some say laptops get thinner aren't they just approximating tablets? I see laptops get thinner, get touchscreens and the ability to rotate the display so it lays flat (well except for Apple). Conversely tablets are getting more powerful and gaining keyboards. Somewhere down the line the 2 will meet and that will be the market except for special use cases and specialized industries. Certainly we can even add phones into the mix which will soon become foldable. So to a large degree it's just that everything is slowly and functionally moving towards this ideal of a converged device.
 

Frisco

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I think part of it is also semantics. Maybe something isn't going to die, but it will merge. As some say laptops get thinner aren't they just approximating tablets? I see laptops get thinner, get touchscreens and the ability to rotate the display so it lays flat (well except for Apple). Conversely tablets are getting more powerful and gaining keyboards. Somewhere down the line the 2 will meet and that will be the market except for special use cases and specialized industries. Certainly we can even add phones into the mix which will soon become foldable. So to a large degree it's just that everything is slowly and functionally moving towards this ideal of a converged device.

And that is a great answer that would be a perfect ending to this thread.
 

spesifikbrush

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I think yes, Android tablets are dying for sure. Since no company cares about their tablets, developers are finding it hard to justify the effort for making an Android app optimized for a tablet. Google made great Nexus tablets and the latest Pixel C is a beast. But because the lack of tablet apps, nobody gets it. And because nobody gets one, developers don't want to invest their sources. Kind of a vicious cycle. I really want Android tablets to be able to compete with iPad like phones do, but I think it won't be happening unless someone makes a big move.

Like Remix OS. It is a really good concept, and I really want a big company like Samsung to adopt it. They have a Surface-like tablet but the specs are not great. It's far from competing with iPad.

Unless a big company fully embraces the tablets like Apple does and encourages developers to write tablet optimized apps, Android tablets won't advance and will be stuck on the title of kid tablets.
 
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