Are any of you beginning to hate Apple, for whatever reason?

[Tech198]

Are any of you beginning to really hate Apple, for whatever reason? I have my reasons, but what about you?

Absolutely,,, we all have our reasons...

But i hate them more remember

I constantly get all up tight with the preach to that Apple donates themselves as "the most secure OS ever" when in fact its only secure because of UNIX (foundation they built it on).

While Apple may have increased the only "security" to the point of hiding system/core folders and files from the GUI, to me that is hardly "secure from the users stand point", simply because Apple controls it, unless u use the Terminal, and sudo commands (as exceptions)

Similarly, unless you also Jailbreak on iOS, you can't really muck it up,, no freedom.

So, why is Apple saying their so secure ?? Because users don't have a choice.

Of curse if a company locks it down, they can say whatever they like...

To me though, "security" starts and ends with the end user only, taking accountable measure to protect themselves, not with a company taking control of the whole thing and calling it "secure" because that's a one way path. Users don't really have a choice, only command line.


It's like Apple's implemented the flow system all wrong..

 

[lowendlinux]

Absolutely,,, we all have our reasons...

But i hate them more remember

I constantly get all up tight with the preach to that Apple donates themselves as "the most secure OS ever" when in fact its only secure because of UNIX (foundation they built it on).

While Apple may have increased the only "security" to the point of hiding system/core folders and files from the GUI, to me that is hardly "secure from the users stand point", simply because Apple controls it, unless u use the Terminal, and sudo commands (as exceptions)

Similarly, unless you also Jailbreak on iOS, you can't really muck it up,, no freedom.

So, why is Apple saying their so secure ?? Because users don't have a choice.

Of curse if a company locks it down, they can say whatever they like...

To me though, "security" starts and end with the end user only, not with a company taking control and saying it's "secure" because that's a one way path


It's like Apple's implemented the flow system all wrong..

kext signing and an app store do as much or more for the security than Unix does. Apple has some weird way that are not Unix though like putting certain browser plugins in S/L/E when they should solely live in userland but really it's academic as most users won't have problems

 

[Rogifan]

There's an undercurrent brewing with developers. Cook needs to nip this in the bud fast.

http://oleb.net/blog/2014/12/apple-out-of-touch/

 

[Choctaw]

This.

It's foolish to "hate" a company. A company Is a non-living entity.

I have been displeased with them lately on e software side.

Maybe it would be better stated "some of us dislike their changes or actions." I for one dislike the new performance and look of the OS Yosemite. Adding functions is fine, but why change looks when most of us liked it.

 

[Zxxv]

The lack of antiglare options for their laptops really annoys me, as does their regime of soldering on RAM.

OP - FWIW the 'Save As' option is now just 'Duplicate' which does the exact same thing really, as is a more meaningful name than 'Save As'.



The RAM is soldered on the 2014 model.

didn't know that. Damn could have saved me a headache the other week. Seems so obvious now looking at it but isn't unless pointed out.

Apple has changed italics to oblique. Thats just crazy to me.

 

[Tech198]

FWIW the 'Save As' option is now just 'Duplicate' which does the exact same thing really, as is a more meaningful name than 'Save As'.

I hate to be a negative Nelly, but "Duplicate" option is not the same. Even though it does have Shift, Command, "S" shortcut

When u go to "File", "Duplicate",it does create a copy, but does not save it, as its no where on the system... This is why when u try you try to close the window, your prompted to either "Save", or "Delete copy"

Its only in RAM temporary..

There's an undercurrent brewing with developers. Cook needs to nip this in the bud fast.

http://oleb.net/blog/2014/12/apple-out-of-touch/

I agree here.... However, just like the real world, i think its just common practice now.. "

"The rules Apple puts in place are there to be followed by all, but Apple themselves who make them, do not apply"

This cheeses me off too... but it's Apple.... Constant tip notifications on the in Notification center or when you plug in to charge in iOS8.x is just an annoyance.

That what u get for buying Apple Products.. I'm sure it's the same with MS by the way.

 

[IHelpId10t5]

Nope! Im an IT professional of three decades and have seen nothing but continued improvement with Apple's products year after year. Sounds to me like your own inability to adapt to change is the problem instead of Apple's willingness to drive advancement.

I appreciate greatly that Apple is one of the few large companies that IS taking security and privacy seriously. I value greatly that my Macs and iOS devices are still amazingly secure from realistically exploitable vulnerabilities even in 2014 (if you think that Mac OS or iOS is exploitable without the user being fooled into installing a trojan then you are reading too many crappy web media websites).

In addition, I value greatly that Apple now encrypts more and more of our communications and storage by default, and is also willing to tell users that they are out of luck recovering their data when they can't keep track of their iOS passcodes or 2-factor recovery codes (this is exactly how security should work).

Lastly, I'm happy to have a "walled garden" to purchase apps from, I'm glad that Gatekeeper gets in the way if I were to be fooled by a download source, and I'm happy that Apple removed Java without asking users. And, despite these restrictions (and the unfounded fears of Mac OS becoming Mac OS) I am still able to develop and compile any type of coding project that I wish on my Mac, fully control it's BSD underpinnings, and modify things as I wish.

What's to hate?

 

[grahamperrin]

OT: misunderstanding of an Apple technology

… "File", "Duplicate" … Its only in RAM temporary. …

That's wrong. You'll find explanations elsewhere (normally I'd provide a link, but I'm running late for work) and in any case it's entirely off-topic from the question of hatred of Apple, so (sorry) I'll not explain here.

Postscript

Please see https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=20473402#post20473402

 

[Tech198]

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[Choctaw]

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Of course it's in ram, until you rename it, and save it to disc.

 

[Xiroteus]

Hate? Not at all. However they do continue to move away from what I may require. And in some ways a lot of their products feels like the same three devices in different sizes and unlikely to see anything really useful or different in the future based of their current actions.

I have more freedom under different platforms at the moment.

I would love to see a mac surface pro yet we will likely never see it because it's not a device that will sell fifty million devices. Personally I find that limits any company and we just end up with the same thing over and over.

I'll likely try some devices again as I can own more then one type of device.

 

[JackieInCo]

I would love to see a mac surface pro yet we will likely never see it because it's not a device that will sell fifty million devices. Personally I find that limits any company and we just end up with the same thing over and over.

But you can run the latest OSX version on a Microsoft Surface Pro 3. I don't have the link with instructions here but you can find it on Google easy enough, I did. Any of the Surface Pros can run OSX.

 

[iFitzgerald]

Remember US prices don't have sales tax added where here (the continent) they do. That doesn't cover all of the difference but some of it, the rest probably come down to the difference in consumer protection laws we enjoy here. Macs have gotten cheaper through the years believe it or not.

They might have gotten cheaper in the US, but at least here in Portugal, prices went up!
When I bought my first Mac, a 2008 20" iMac, I remember that the cheapest iMac was 1000€ and one just above it (the one I have) was 1200€. Now, the "equivalent" models in the lineup are 1350€ and 1550€, that's 350€ more on each model (I'm not counting with the cheapest one, that one is a joke), which is a lot considering the average wage in Portugal is 950€ and minimum wage is 505€.

 

[lowendlinux]

They might have gotten cheaper in the US, but at least here in Portugal, prices went up!
When I bought my first Mac, a 2008 20" iMac, I remember that the cheapest iMac was 1000€ and one just above it (the one I have) was 1200€. Now, the "equivalent" models in the lineup are 1350€ and 1550€, that's 350€ more on each model (I'm not counting with the cheapest one, that one is a joke), which is a lot considering the average wage in Portugal is 950€ and minimum wage is 505€.

I speaking more about the pre-Intel time frame.

 

[iFitzgerald]

I wouldn't say I'm starting to hate Apple, but I am displeased with the direction they're going when it comes to Macs.

I upgraded the RAM on both AFTER purchase on my two machines (08 iMac and 09 MBP) and I can open both to get a bigger HDD or an SSD if I decide to. I can replace them if they fail too.

These days, Macs have gotten more expensive (at least in Portugal), I'm forced to pay Apple's price at the time of purchase to upgrade the RAM and SSD (in Portugal it's quite cheaper AFTER) and if any of those components fail, I can't replace them myself since they're soldered. And if they fail after the warranty...well, new logic board or new Mac...

My iMac is showing it's age and I'm starting to consider a new desktop. The Mac Pro is an overkill, I don't like the newer iMacs and was hoping for a decent 2014 Mac Mi...oh...wait...soldered RAM, no Quad Core, not even an Iris Pro...oh well, never mind!

I've "built" a rig (online) with a 4.0GHz Quad i7-4790K, 16GB RAM, 250GB SSD, 1TB HDD, 2GB GTX 760 and a 1080p 24" screen for under 1500€, less than the high end 21.5" iMac that has half the RAM, no SSD, a 2.7GHz Dual Core i5 and a 1GB GT 750M...

I'm considering going back to Windows (been testing Windows 10, I like it so far), which is going to be hard because I really like OS X, but I can get a much more powerful machine, with user replaceable and upgradeable parts for a much better "bang for my buck". And if I ever feel adventurous, I'm choosing high compatibility parts for Hackintosh.

I feel sad that Apple's current obsession with thinner and smaller and soldering is actually driving me off OS X...

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I speaking more about the pre-Intel time frame.

Ohh, I didn't know you were talking about that time frame, never mind my comment then. Cheers

 

[reese2147]

Are any of you beginning to really hate Apple, for whatever reason? I have my reasons, but what about you?

Hate?.... no.

Disappointed?... absolutely


For the premium consumers pay for Apple products and services, the recent "hiccups" of iOS8, Yosemite, iCloud drive and iCloud photo library are 100% inexcusable.

Apple cares about selling very well built, very expensive machines. They care about the App-store and iTunes ecosystem. Anything else...... they blatantly do not put nearly enough time, thought or effort into. The fact that this company continues to release "beta" software to the mass public and **continues** to run the beta releases for years (iWork on iCloud.com anyone?) is laughable.

Maybe not today, maybe not this year..... but there is a storm brewing against Apple and their stagnant approach to true progress. Microsoft has really taken the innovative strides to make up the miles of ground they have lost to Apple over the years. With the release of Windows 10 next year and Microsoft continuing to develop their own hardware.... look out.

 

[Tech198]

I guess, it would have to mainly, above, all else Apple's Live chat which sux big time.

6th times i try, and u get disconnected... and they say its not them...

You know it is because, you see "they have a temporary issue" in chat window and, after doing a traceroute to ccwebchatapi.apple.com u see sometimes u get * at one of the upstream providers from Apple. (after level 3 route)

If it was my connection, why does it only happen with Apple ?

Posting on foums is greatly better

 

[Tsuchiya]

I think the Apple of today exists to appease their shareholders and nothing more.

Everything they do is just enough to keep the majority satisfied and to maintain their image.

For a company with such resources and influence, it's a disappointing thing to see.

 

[skaertus]

I think the Apple of today exists to appease their shareholders and nothing more.



Everything they do is just enough to keep the majority satisfied and to maintain their image.



For a company with such resources and influence, it's a disappointing thing to see.

Apple has a huge amount of resources, but spends much less in research and development than companies such as IBM, Microsoft, Google and Samsung.

 

[Choctaw]

Some info about using Yosemite !

With all the bad things I read on using the new OS Yosemite I have been looking on the web for some informative tutorials just to get a view of how it is working. I found this site which had some instructions. Maybe it will be helpful to some who are baffled and lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUSGEgZlaHg

 

[satcomer]

With all the bad things I read on using the new OS Yosemite I have been looking on the web for some informative tutorials just to get a view of how it is working. I found this site which had some instructions. Maybe it will be helpful to some who are baffled and lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUSGEgZlaHg

I wouldn't trust that guy because he doesn't really understand the BSD part of OS X. He is a covert PC tech that thinks he know OS X now since a lot of home users (his customers) are using Macs now and he knows that U.S. where the real money is coming from now.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

Nope! Im an IT professional of three decades and have seen nothing but continued improvement with Apple's products year after year. Sounds to me like your own inability to adapt to change is the problem instead of Apple's willingness to drive advancement.

I appreciate greatly that Apple is one of the few large companies that IS taking security and privacy seriously. I value greatly that my Macs and iOS devices are still amazingly secure from realistically exploitable vulnerabilities even in 2014 (if you think that Mac OS or iOS is exploitable without the user being fooled into installing a trojan then you are reading too many crappy web media websites).

In addition, I value greatly that Apple now encrypts more and more of our communications and storage by default, and is also willing to tell users that they are out of luck recovering their data when they can't keep track of their iOS passcodes or 2-factor recovery codes (this is exactly how security should work).

Lastly, I'm happy to have a "walled garden" to purchase apps from, I'm glad that Gatekeeper gets in the way if I were to be fooled by a download source, and I'm happy that Apple removed Java without asking users. And, despite these restrictions (and the unfounded fears of Mac OS becoming Mac OS) I am still able to develop and compile any type of coding project that I wish on my Mac, fully control it's BSD underpinnings, and modify things as I wish.

What's to hate?

The people on the assembly line don't feel as positive about Apple.

 

[Tech198]

i don't mind Apple, i just wish they would owe up to the fact that "They don't make the best software"

- Software that works best does not have constant issues every time they introduce new features that break previous features.... I can accept 1 or 2, but not every single OS release it seems to break wi-fi connectivity...

This is indeed Apple, since no other company has the same problem out of the box, (with all other things being equal, the user doesn't stuff it up)

- No company would release software (iPhoto), realize it doesn't open, then quickly patch it within 24 hours..

On both account, they leave all this to developers and feedback page.. (which is is how much they can do.

If Apple actually tested the common every day features even after introducing new ones (particularly with ATV 3), and stick by that, only then i would say "it's perfect" (and quite frankly, why wouldn't Apple test their own software to make sure it still opens)


Even Microsoft that does not do software and hardware, has do support hundreds of drivers/manufactures does not even have wifi issues...

So if MS can do it, why can't Apple ??

 

[glutenenvy]

What's to hate?

Um, did you miss the parts of the conversation that mention severe Yosemite upgrade problems and removal of the option to cost effectively upgrade system ram and hard disks by sourcing your own parts?

If you have been in the business as long as you say, you already know each one of these unnecessarily increases costs dramatically. If you cannot upgrade effectively, the next option is to replace. I've seen a lot of frivolous misc. class action lawsuits that I've ignored, but I certainly would be on board for this one.

 

[thewap]

The Apple is Cooked..

Over 30 years with apple, I could identify with the anti *big brother*, *be different* , *here's to the great ones*, and Steve's passion for excellence and innovation despite the bottom liners throwing him out at their own peril.

Sure Steve was difficult to work with, as I am sure Scott was, it is difficult to stand fast for independence and innovation when faced with corp minded bottom liners that have no vision of their own. That was the appeal Steve had and his crew had - when Apple had passion and an identity.

Now that Steve's crew was rid of, except of course his highness Lord Ive, the cat came out of the closet (pardon pun) with the parade of smug billionaires boring the hell out of me with design elitist babbling of chinese soldered and glued wares and diminishing the stability of the world's best OS ever created, while pushing elitist gold watches and God knows whats next.

I suppose I fear change....for the worst IMO, where bottom line is everything, independence is frowned on, creative client base is ignored, just to be like Microsoft, google, Android, and the mass market - in other words no identity or passion, let alone innovation..

Yeah, the Apple is Cooked IMO, and I fear the demise of the personal computer as well. I can't help the feeling that the masses are being weened of the personal computer and OS to dependence of the ipad and receiver like devices..why?

The future as I am beginning to imagine - you will not be able to upgrade personal computers - let alone have one at a decent price- (we will make them all obsolete) you will rent apps from the cloud, you will only own ipad receivers, (unless you are corp sponsored or a 1% who can afford a computer) while big brother in the sky will provide all the apps you need at different levels of need...for a price of course, and you will like it (because Ive says so) or not be part of the hive.

Now imagine if someone *different* again appeared in the market, pushing excellence and independence in personal computing.. That would be something to look forward to..

Hate?, I do not hate Apple. I just do not identify with them anymore, or any other company existing today for that matter.