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now i see it

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I purchased my iPhone new 1175 days ago for $580 (refurbished/new unused via Swappa). So far it has cost me $0.49/day to own it. Still running fine on original battery so I haven't had to put any money into it.
I plan on replacing it (if it doesn't tank before then) when my recoup cost gets down to $0.25/day. That'll be a little over 6 years total. So I've got about 2 more years to go.... Curious to see if it'll make it. I think the failing Lightning port will probably be its killer.
Still running the original OS so it's just as fast (or slow) as the day I got it.
 

DevinNj

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I don’t like these type of posts. “Will you be getting this years...” Especially before the product has been officially announced/released. At this point any rumors of features or specs are just speculation so I cannot say one way or another if I’ll be buying this years iPhone. Also, once released I like to see reviews of real world usage and if there’s any issues before I decide on upgrading. I’m on a payment plan so usually I do upgrade yearly and have taken advantage of Black Friday deals the past few years, but it’s not like I need to upgrade. So I’ll wait and see what they have to offer this year.
 

tonybarnaby

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Nah. You just severely misunderstood why I deleted the first part of your post that I quoted, that you didn’t understand the first time. It’s Ok, it happens.



I understand that, but the other relevant factor to the SE wasn’t just a 4” form factor, It was also the price point. If the price point isn’t reflective of being affordable, I don’t think believe it will be as popular as the SE was, simply because $399 was the cheapest iPhone Apple had in their lineup at the time in 2016.
I will stand by my opinion forever that the MAIN reason the SE has been so successful is price. I get it that it fits in your pocket nicely, but I’d guess the majority of people bought it purely because it was the cheapest way in to the Apple segment.
 
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Hoyboy

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It always baffles me when someone says this, how would you know it’s ‘not going be a big upgrade’? I mean, the triple lens camera is slated to be one of the biggest/most significant upgrades for the iPhone camera since the 7+. To me, that seems like that might be a major upgrade depending on how invested someone is with taking photos/video. And yet, we don’t know what else Apple has in store for the iPhone, like reverse charging, which would be another significant consideration for those who want to charge their Apple Watch/AirPods.

In general, we know iPhone prices are relatively high, but I still think it’s up to the consumer what they consider ‘to be a big upgrade’.

It always baffles me when someone like you calls someone out for saying “It’s not going to be a big upgrade” and then go on to say “To me that seems like a major upgrade”.

How do YOU know it might be a major upgrade?!

End of the day they are entitled to their opinion as much as you are entitled to yours. Except you come across as a hypocrite.
 

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I will stand by my opinion forever that the MAIN reason the SE has been so successful is price. I get it that it fits in your pocket nicely, but I’d guess the majority of people bought it purely because it was the cheapest way in to the Apple segment.

Maybe. Keep in mind, the SE was also very much intended to be a global phone for markets in India/China, even though Greg Joswiak (VP of Marketing) stated it was because the SE was requested for a smaller/affordable segment of an iPhone during the March 2016 Keynote. The reality is, I don’t believe the SE was immensely favored due to the popularity of larger displays taking over. If anything, the SE served it’s purpose for a niche demographic that cares more about the size than they did the price point (I mean, who even would finance a $400 iPhone?). In the end, the only reason Apple discontinued the SE was because it wasn’t generating enough revenue. Case in point.
 

Elshad

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I'm still using an SE and definitely holding out till 2020. 5G, USB-C and 5.4 inch form factor sounds great and definitely worth the wait.
 

CrazyForCashews

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I'm still using an SE and definitely holding out till 2020. 5G, USB-C and 5.4 inch form factor sounds great and definitely worth the wait.
Exactly what I’m doing.

The 5.4” iPhone could be the closest thing iPhone SE users who like small phones will get. It may not be as small, but it’s the best thing we’re gonna get.

I’ve said this before in this thread but apparently it’s too hard to understand for one specific person.
 

sallenthornton

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Aug 31, 2014
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I upgraded this morning to the Max from my X. My kid needed a new phone and it made sense. I know I should have waited, but I give no regrets.
 

rmsanger

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Posting from my 6s; I still like the product and am happy with it Les performance. I may start shopping for a new phone in 2020 or 2021.

I went from 3GS to 5 to 6s so my upgrade cycles are getting longer now that costs are increasing and benefits are slowing.
 

Tofupunch

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I’ve skipped enough years. My 6 will be 5 years old in September and as it won’t be getting iOS 13 I think it’ll finally be time to upgrade
I'm in the same boat! And at this point, depending on its temperament, some days it is really struggling and chugging along. So 2019 for me it is. Besides, I'm always wary of 1st gen design refreshes and likely will then want to wait for 2021 for them to iron out the kinks. I can't see my 6 holding out THAT long.
 

brando123b

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the days of 1 year, 2 year upgade "cycles" ended when the carriers stopped subsidizing phones a few years ago. There's nothing magical about 2 years or three years and nowadays not much changes year to year except the hype & camera. Most people aren't buying new computers every 2 years... so why buy an iPhone? It costs as much as one. It seems like unnecessary churn & waste for marginal benefit. Most of these iPhones can work perfectly fine beyond 3-4 years if they're taken care of (and kept on their original OS)

Agreed. I think we are heading toward a more "PC style" upgrade cycle with our phones. I'll probably start going 3+ years on my phone. If things trend more toward these truly incremental upgrades I could see many folks going 5+.
 

tranceking26

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I won't need an upgrade from my 6s for at least another few years hopefully. It's such a good phone I really don't need anything else. But then when the time comes 5G may be all over my city and hopefully there will be no notch or cutout camera or chin.

I still will take interest in the 2019 iPhones and watch the full keynote.
 

Ta0jin

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I’ll probably get the 5.8 inch version of the 2019 iPhone just because I’m on a yearly upgrade cycle and I look forward to seeing what camera advancement that Apple may have coming out.
 
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Agreed. I think we are heading toward a more "PC style" upgrade cycle with our phones. I'll probably start going 3+ years on my phone. If things trend more toward these truly incremental upgrades I could see many folks going 5+.

I’d still say the average consumer upgrades about every three years as it is, 5+ years would be pushing it, because you start looking at battery degradation and then of course software support would be discontinued at some point over the five-year mark. But the caveat to the iPhone is, they’re so well-made and managed, that they last longer *and* are supported longer over android, which only uses two years of support.
 

sammy2066

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I’m still well into the Apple-verse, but have definitely slowed down the upgrade process, and mostly because of Apple’s decisions. Herewith:

I’ve stopped at the iPhone7, and my wife at the iPhoneSE. Nothing since has delivered anything I found of sufficient value. Worse, the iPhone7 “courageously” eliminated the headphone jack...a move no one I’ve encountered wanted or needed.

I stopped at the 2012 15” MacBookPro when the upgrade I wanted had very much the worst keyboard I’ve ever tried to type on, dropped the spectacular MagSafe power connector, and introduced the TouchBar that absolutely no one needed and made it a requirement in order to get the faster processor and other desireable upgrades foregoing function keys. Apple “courageously” considered thinness far more important than usability, so I moved to a 2017 5K 27” iMac and haven’t looked back. Especially with my excellent 3rd-party keyboard.

I now see Apple is considering or will drop the lightning port in another of its no doubt “courageous” moves, the third of which no one I know wants or needs.

What I DON’T need: a better or additional camera, yet larger form factor, different ports, higher cost, FaceID, thinner design, LivePhotos, anything else that pretends to make the iPhone an iPad, new atomic-level process new gold color (that can’t be seen anyway because of the required protection case), greater waterproofiness, animoji’s, emoji’s at all, enhanced bokeh effect.

What I DO need: longer battery life, TouchID, better reception of and transmission over weak 4G and LTE signals, longer battery life, improved display visibility in sunlight, longer battery life, a Siri service that actually finds answers instead of a long list of websources that MAY be relevant, and for the icing on the cake: longer battery life.

I look forward to upgrading, but have seen little compelling enough to do so from my iPhone7, my 12.9” 1st gen iPP, or my iMac. I only upgraded my Apple Airport Extremes (2) to a Linksys EA9500 after the announced departure of the routers from Apple’s product lineup. Still awaiting the compelling (for me) upgrade.

Everything you said. I bet one of their courageous moves this year is to increase the price compared to last year’s iPhones, in which case the XI (or whatever the marketing idiots decide to call it this year) is doomed to fail. I just can’t fathom how a company that prides itself on its design ethos has been recycling the same basic shape/design since the iPhone 6, and still has the audacity to call it an ‘all-new’ design every year. I guess that takes courage too.
 

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Everything you said. I bet one of their courageous moves this year is to increase the price compared to last year’s iPhones, in which case the XI (or whatever the marketing idiots decide to call it this year) is doomed to fail.

Nothing suggests the Apple will increase the price for the phones this year, if anything, it will likely remain the same, but with more subsidized payment options/trade-in offers, as Tim Cook mentioned back in January.

Also, I’m not understanding why you’re interjecting Snark about the iPhone marketing, every year it follows a numbering scheme, and I doubt really anyone cares about the marketing, more than they do the price of the phone.

I just can’t fathom how a company that prides itself on its design ethos has been recycling the same basic shape/design since the iPhone 6, and still has the audacity to call it an ‘all-new’ design every year. I guess that takes courage too.

OK? Doesn’t every smart phone manufacture tout design aesthetics? They all do that, it’s not just Apple. Generally, all smart phones look the same, the only real major difference would be the back of smart phones. But again, consumers don’t care about design, they care about their loyalty to which platform they choose, either android or iOS.

Really, I’m not defending Apple here (Nor trying to single you out), but the ‘courage’ comment is so overly exaggerated and juvenile to keep using it out of context in your post.
 

azentropy

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I don’t like these type of posts. “Will you be getting this years...” Especially before the product has been officially announced/released. At this point any rumors of features or specs are just speculation so I cannot say one way or another if I’ll be buying this years iPhone. Also, once released I like to see reviews of real world usage and if there’s any issues before I decide on upgrading. I’m on a payment plan so usually I do upgrade yearly and have taken advantage of Black Friday deals the past few years, but it’s not like I need to upgrade. So I’ll wait and see what they have to offer this year.

Fair point, but when was the last time we were really surprised? The rumors and speculation of the specs this close to the release have been fairly accurate for many cycles now.
 

rui no onna

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Looks like I'll need to upgrade this year. Need to replace my travel iPhone (5s: camera broke and battery life is practically non-existent) so my current iPhone 7 will be designated as the new travel phone. Really hoping there'll be a smaller version of the XR. If not, I might have to go iPhone 8.
 

Tofupunch

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Everything you said. I bet one of their courageous moves this year is to increase the price compared to last year’s iPhones, in which case the XI (or whatever the marketing idiots decide to call it this year) is doomed to fail. I just can’t fathom how a company that prides itself on its design ethos has been recycling the same basic shape/design since the iPhone 6, and still has the audacity to call it an ‘all-new’ design every year. I guess that takes courage too.
I agree. But we keep buying  products. Does that make us...courageous as well??:p
 

1rottenapple

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I’m skipping it. The XS max was too expensive and at the end of the day it was an ok leap from the 8 plus. It wasn’t worth the 1300 I paid. The new pic looks the same incremental upgrade. I’m gonna hold on to this phone for a while.
 

sammy2066

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Nothing suggests the Apple will increase the price for the phones this year, if anything, it will likely remain the same, but with more subsidized payment options/trade-in offers, as Tim Cook mentioned back in January.

Also, I’m not understanding why you’re interjecting Snark about the iPhone marketing, every year it follows a numbering scheme, and I doubt really anyone cares about the marketing, more than they do the price of the phone.



OK? Doesn’t every smart phone manufacture tout design aesthetics? They all do that, it’s not just Apple. Generally, all smart phones look the same, the only real major difference would be the back of smart phones. But again, consumers don’t care about design, they care about their loyalty to which platform they choose, either android or iOS.

Really, I’m not defending Apple here (Nor trying to single you out), but the ‘courage’ comment is so overly exaggerated and juvenile to keep using it out of context in your post.

During the last few years, every new iteration of many Apple products (iMacs, MacBooks, AirPods, Mac Pros and iPhones) has seen price hikes - so given that trend and in the face of declining unit sales, there is every reason to believe that they may hike the price, to maintain their margins. They may even use the third camera or something else to justify it.

Your comment about design is grossly generalized - maybe you don’t care about design. AFAIK, hundreds of consumers, including myself care very deeply about design, and not just loyalty to the platform. If anything, we hold Apple to a higher standard, given their premium pricing. As for other manufacturers, it is amply evident that they’ve innovated much more on the design front relative to what Apple has done since 2014, and at much lower price points, so, there’s simply no debate there.

Finally, for the point around the ‘courage’ comment - it was incredibly lame that Apple used it to justify removing the headphone jack with the iPhone 7 - in my view, it’s only fair that we deride Apple for that unfortunate decision, and use it to seemingly make fun of some of their other missteps. Again, sounds perfectly fair to me - nothing exaggerated or juvenile about it.
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I agree. But we keep buying  products. Does that make us...courageous as well??:p

Indeed it does. But I think things will be different this year (at least for me). Not dropping $1k+ on that hideous monstrosity (if rumors turn out to be true).
 
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so given that trend and in the face of declining unit sales, there is every reason to believe that they may hike the price, to maintain their margins. They may even use the third camera or something else to justify it..

We’re talking about the iPhone here, not other Apple products. The reality is, Apple is plenty aware the economy and China’s commerce cannot support any more price increases for the iPhone. Again, nothing suggests they will increase the prices for the iPhone for 2019 at all. If you paid attention to what Tim Cook said back in January, they’re revamping the iPhone pricing through trade-ins/services come this fall, which more than enough evidence that they’re not increasing the prices for the iPhones this year. The Difference being, Apple can raise the prices for the iPhones, but from an investor standpoint, they cannot afford to in the same respect.

Your comment about design is grossly generalized - maybe you don’t care about design. AFAIK, hundreds of consumers, including myself care very deeply about design.

For one, I never interjected my thoughts personally about Apples design standards, no need to make assumptions. Anyways, You saying “AFAIK hundreds of consumers” that’s not direct evidence of anything, sounds more anecdotal, but I’ll give you a more literal example for you:

‘The notch’, this is a very much a scrutinized feature and discussed on tech sites, but being the tech enthusiast that I am, I’ve never come across one person outside this site that’s ever even remotely discussed Apples choice to use that specific design aesthetic for the iPhone. So what’s my point? Consumers don’t care about the design with an iPhone, Apple can put six cameras on the back of the iPhone, as long as the price point is relative to what they can afford _and_ the technology meets their standards, that is what they care about. Case in point.

Finally, for the point around the ‘courage’ comment - it was incredibly lame that Apple used it to justify removing the headphone jack with the iPhone 7 - in my view, it’s only fair that we deride Apple for that unfortunate decision, and use it to seemingly make fun of some of their other missteps. Again, sounds perfectly fair to me - nothing exaggerated or juvenile about it.

What was juvenile, was the way you interpreted the context that used the Courage comment in, not just the comment itself. (Aside from how incredibly beaten the courage comment is) On the flipside, regardless of Apple removing the 3.5 mm Jack, interesting how other tech manufacturers followed suit once Apple did that. Apple removing the 3.5 mm Jack was not an unfortunate decision for everyone, not when the AirPods have been extremely successful in that respect as a gateway, but to each their own.
 
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