Battery Health

[JoelBC]

I use "Aldente Pro version" I do not understand why when I put it in charge the display never turns off, although I have set it in the settings to make it turn off after 5 minutes of inactivity. how can i solve this problem or what should i select to turn off the display while charging my macbook pro?

If you have the setting Disable Sleep Until Charge Limit enabled then what you describe is normal behaviour. I am told by the developer that when charge up to or down to the charge limit the impact of this setting is to disable both the screen saver and sleep modes.

If you want you display to turn off then disable this setting though I do not know whether computer will continue to charge or not, it depends on your settings.

 

[moro30]

If you have the setting Disable Sleep Until Charge Limit enabled then what you describe is normal behaviour. I am told by the developer that when charge up to or down to the charge limit the impact of this setting is to disable both the screen saver and sleep modes.

If you want you display to turn off then disable this setting though I do not know whether computer will continue to charge or not, it depends on your settings.

in preferences this setting is already disabled

 

[JoelBC]

in preferences this setting is already disabled

I can not remember exactly but in my communication with the developer there were situations where AlDente forces this for technical reasons.

If it really bothers you I would suggest a) writing the developer or b) using the Hot Corners as @white7561 has detailed earlier in this thread.

 

[moro30]

I can not remember exactly but in my communication with the developer there were situations where AlDente forces this for technical reasons.

If it really bothers you I would suggest a) writing the developer or b) using the Hot Corners as @white7561 has detailed earlier in this thread.

I have already written to the developer, let's see when I will have an answer

 

[JoelBC]

I have already written to the developer, let's see when I will have an answer

Awesome, please share his response with the group.

 

[moro30]

Fantastico, per favore condividi la sua risposta con il gruppo.

Certainly!!

 

[white7561]

AFAIK apps when they ask for a wakelock. It will prevent it from sleeping and from turning off the screen. That's why you use the corners thing to force the display to sleep (and lock the computer) even tho it's not sleeping at all..

It's different i think from the System Preferences option. Which is a built in option to prevent the Mac from sleeping when the power is connected. You could set it to not sleep but the display could still sleep automatically..

Although a note, I think the System Preferences one prevents sleeping but if you close the lid it might sleep (AFAIK. Never tried it since never needed it) but a wakelock from an app could make it awake when it's lid is closed.


For me personally, i don't use the AlDente's option to wake lock it . I just use the System Preferences one to prevent the laptop to sleep when on power since well it's on power. I want it to keep everything synced up at night when I sleep . Rather than sleeping it

 

[sierrablue]

This is my first Mac and AlDente is the first app I installed. Please bear with me but why does it show up as a disk drive?

 

[JoelBC]

This is my first Mac and AlDente is the first app I installed. Please bear with me but why does it show up as a disk drive?

Welcome to Mac, I am sure you will be happy with your decision.

Welcome also to AlDente, that too I am sure you will enjoy.

I will very politely suggest that a) installing applications on a Mac is very different from installing applications on a Windows computer and b) you would be better served in this forum MacRumors forum (see https://forums.macrumors.com/forums/mac-basics-help-and-buying-advice.78/ ) which is for people who are new to Mac.

 

[sierrablue]

Welcome to Mac, I am sure you will be happy with your decision.

Welcome also to AlDente, that too I am sure you will enjoy.

I will very politely suggest that a) installing applications on a Mac is very different from installing applications on a Windows computer and b) you would be better served in this forum MacRumors forum (see https://forums.macrumors.com/forums/mac-basics-help-and-buying-advice.78/ ) which is for people who are new to Mac.

It's a learning curve for sure. Thank you!

 

[JoelBC]

It's a learning curve for sure. Thank you!

You are most welcome. I went through it one years ago and never looked. And, if they could ever get MSFT to make Excel for Mac on par with Excel for Windows then I would never need to use Windows again!

 

[vivid.gear71]

Since the Discharge feature seemed to be more stable when sleep was deactivated, we enabled "Disable Sleep until Charge Limit" even in the AlDente Free for this certain scenario. However, the Discharge feature is stable enough now and we will disable "Disable Sleep until Charge Limit" in the Free version with the next update again.

Developer responded.
They disabled sleep while discharging for current free version without changing any UI or adding notification and will be enabled next free version as supposed
hope new version will solve all kind of sleeping issue

 

[JoelBC]

Developer responded.
They disabled sleep while discharging for current free version without changing any UI or adding notification and will be enabled next free version as supposed
hope new version will solve all kind of sleeping issue

I do not think that there are sleeping issues...I think that rather there is a lack of clarity / disclosure as to how AlDente works; for example, they do not mention that they implement "Disable Sleep Until Charge Limit" nor that the consequence of so doing is that the screen saver and the display off do not engage until the charge limit is reached.

Just my $0.02

 

[vivid.gear71]

I do not think that there are sleeping issues...I think that rather there is a lack of clarity / disclosure as to how AlDente works; for example, they do not mention that they implement "Disable Sleep Until Charge Limit" nor that the consequence of so doing is that the screen saver and the display off do not engage until the charge limit is reached.

Just my $0.02

There are some open issues related to sleep which are not closed by dev yet

Issues · AppHouseKitchen/AlDente-Charge-Limiter

Menubar Tool to set Charge Limits and Prolong Battery Lifespan - Issues · AppHouseKitchen/AlDente-Charge-Limiter

github.com

my issue is closed.

 

[JoelBC]

There are some open issues related to sleep which are not closed by dev yet

Issues · AppHouseKitchen/AlDente-Charge-Limiter

Menubar Tool to set Charge Limits and Prolong Battery Lifespan - Issues · AppHouseKitchen/AlDente-Charge-Limiter

github.com

my issue is closed.

Thank you for the link, I was unaware of it until now.

 

[You’re not me]

Get AppleCare+, if you don’t already have it, turn on "optimize battery charging" and use your computer how you want to. Plug in all the time if you want, unplug it when you need or want to and stop worrying about the battery, it will be fine.

 

[throAU]

Get AppleCare+, if you don’t already have it, turn on "optimize battery charging" and use your computer how you want to. Plug in all the time if you want, unplug it when you need or want to and stop worrying about the battery, it will be fine.

Basically what I've done with every Mac I've had since 2011. My 2011 MBP 15" is down to 66% life. My 2015 is still in the mid-high 80s.

 

[JoelBC]

Basically what I've done with every Mac I've had since 2011. My 2011 MBP 15" is down to 66% life. My 2015 is still in the mid-high 80s.

Amazed by your experience. I have a 2012 MBA on its second battery that cannot hold a charge for mire than 30 limited.

I had setup as you described, left it plugged in all the time and the batteries had a shirt life.

Thus my interest in AlDente, to reduce battery stress!

 

[cool11]

After eight years of use,
and the mbp almost always connected to power,
today I see this, while still plugged in power plug:

As I said a few days ago, for the first time also,
I saw the magsafe to be always in orange color,
though my ups does not display any load/charge from mbp.

So, what happened?
Will this mbp be usable?

 

[GoztepeEge]

After eight years of use,
and the mbp almost always connected to power,
today I see this, while still plugged in power plug:
View attachment 1943531

As I said a few days ago, for the first time also,
I saw the magsafe to be always in orange color,
though my ups does not display any load/charge from mbp.

So, what happened?
Will this mbp be usable?

Did you always keep your MacBook at 100% charged while you used it always connected to the charger?

If the answer is yes, okay then, it is obvious that the battery is dead. You should not have kept the battery always 100%, which degraded it extremely fast. And also it is expected to have a battery that can not be charged 100% after 8 years of full use.

So in this case the best thing you can do is to relax your battery. I mean, leave it to drop to 50%, then try to use a software called Charge Limiter, set the limit at 50%, plug your charger and keep using it always connected.

Then you will not damage the battery anymore. But anyway, right now I can surely say that this is such a normal result to see "Battery is not charging" at 94%, because it is an 8 years old battery which has always been kept charged at 100% level.

 

[moro30]

io publish the answer given by the developer:

this is David from AppHouseKitchen.
I've received your support request from Paddle.



You can get rid of this behaviour by simply disabling the "Disable Sleep until Charge Limit" slider in AlDente Pro's charge settings. This was implemented to ensure that the charge limit can be reached, since AlDente cannot actively control it anymore when the system is asleep.

Please keep in mind that the same effect is always active when users use the discharge or calibration functionality of AlDente Pro. In these cases, it is mandatory because the features would not work as they are supposed to without disabling sleep.



Kind regards from Vienna,

David

AppHouseKitchen

 

[cool11]

Did you always keep your MacBook at 100% charged while you used it always connected to the charger?

If the answer is yes, okay then, it is obvious that the battery is dead. You should not have kept the battery always 100%, which degraded it extremely fast. And also it is expected to have a battery that can not be charged 100% after 8 years of full use.

So in this case the best thing you can do is to relax your battery. I mean, leave it to drop to 50%, then try to use a software called Charge Limiter, set the limit at 50%, plug your charger and keep using it always connected.

Then you will not damage the battery anymore. But anyway, right now I can surely say that this is such a normal result to see "Battery is not charging" at 94%, because it is an 8 years old battery which has always been kept charged at 100% level.

Thanks for the information and advice.
So, this mac of mine will still be fully usable.

Regarding my new mbp that I will get in a few weeks (I guess) with monterey,
what is your opinion about the new feature of monterey about 'optimized battery charging'?
Does this help in the maintaining of the battery?

 

[JoelBC]

Thanks for the information and advice.
So, this mac of mine will still be fully usable.

Regarding my new mbp that I will get in a few weeks (I guess) with monterey,
what is your opinion about the new feature of monterey about 'optimized battery charging'?
Does this help in the maintaining of the battery?

I am guessing that yes it does help but probably not as much as AlDente.

I have gone the AlDente route and am not looking back.

Plus, I prefer keeping my battery at 75% right from the start than at 100% which is what the MacBook setting will do until it learns your behaviour; AlDente requires no learning!

 

[vivid.gear71]

new version is available

Release AlDente 1.13 · AppHouseKitchen/AlDente-Charge-Limiter

Completely revamped the underlying state management system for better stability and more flexibility Updated calibration mode to feature an additional full charge cycle at the beginning. Based on r...

github.com

 

[GoztepeEge]

Thanks for the information and advice.
So, this mac of mine will still be fully usable.

Regarding my new mbp that I will get in a few weeks (I guess) with monterey,
what is your opinion about the new feature of monterey about 'optimized battery charging'?
Does this help in the maintaining of the battery?

It is a beneficial feature, especially if we compare it with what we were doing in past.
I was always plugging off and in my charger, in order to maintain the battery life. That was really unefficient and weird.

Now the optimized battery feature works in a way that, it tries to understand your computer-working habits like when to charge, when to discharge, when to be away, when to run, when to shut down etc. If you are a user who works in a timely-determined manner like open the PC at 08.30, close the PC at 20.00 etc, this feature is beneficial. But if you use it whenever you need it, or undetermined, not-planned, then I suggest you to use a 3rd party solution like AlDente, which is nowadays the best software around.

For the optimized battery selection, first it has to understand your working habits. Then it can behave in a beneficial way that fits to your working-type. However I am pretty sure that it will screw it until it understands. During this time, it will keep the battery always at 100%, so this will degrade the battery day by day.

For this reason, I would suggest anyway to use either AlDente (even the free version is perfect) or Charge Limiter. I am using the paid version of the AlDente on my 2021 MBP 14" for almost 1 month, it is working excellent, however I can surely say that it not explicitly needed to obtain the paid version. Even the free version does its job perfect!