Battery Health

[JoelBC]

Yep. Very very hot. And humid. Bad combination IMO. Anyways let me know if Apple replies or the dev of AlDente replies.

I will you in the loop, for sure.

The timeframes are as follows:

1. Apple will be back to me on Monday afternoon. They may or may not have an update but will connect with me.

2. AlDente is slower. They are investigating and committed to a fix by the end of January which is why I asked the question in Post #94 above, take a look!

 

[white7561]

I will you in the loop, for sure.

The timeframes are as follows:

1. Apple will be back to me on Monday afternoon. They may or may not have an update but will connect with me.

2. AlDente is slower. They are investigating and committed to a fix by the end of January which is why I asked the question in Post #94 above, take a look!

Okay. I'll let you know too if the dev gets back at me

 

[JoelBC]

Okay. I'll let you know too if the dev gets back at me

Excellent and thank you.

Please let me know your response to Post #94!

 

[white7561]

@ All, if the problem is in fact Parallel's related what is the lesser of two evils:

1. Controlling the charge by leaving the screen on all night (all be it with a screen saver and with the brightness turned to the lowest possible setting) and reducing the brightness (F1 key) so that the screen appears black / dark; or

2. Not controlling the charge by letting the display sleep, my computer sleep (which is teh current state) and having my batter fully charge at night.

I am thinking 1. is the better choice because the screen is entirely black (i.e. as though it were sleeping)!

1. I'd recommend the hot corners thing but if it's not working. Reducing the brightness to 0% works fine too.

It's so much better than fully charging it and using cycles etc day to day. IMO

 

[Sanpete]

I am running Big Sur.

Also the UPS screen, does not indicate any load or usage at all.
So it is like a fake charging?

That sounds like your charging system isn't working, since it seems to be running off the battery only while plugged in. Does it still read 100%?

 

[JoelBC]

1. I'd recommend the hot corners thing but if it's not working. Reducing the brightness to 0% works fine too.

It's so much better than fully charging it and using cycles etc day to day. IMO

I tried the hot corners last night...I had the login splash screen when I woke up this morning, the laptop slept and fully charged...I will try one more time tonight with the "Put hard disk to sleep when possible" UNCHECKED after which it will need to be adjusting the screen each night until the developer provides a fix.

 

[white7561]

I tried the hot corners last night...I had the login splash screen when I woke up this morning, the laptop slept and fully charged...I will try one more time tonight with the "Put hard disk to sleep when possible" UNCHECKED after which it will need to be adjusting the screen each night until the developer provides a fix.

Which is weird since it shouldn't sleep it at all. As long as you're enabling the Prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when the display is off option. Using the hot corners should just turn the display off and lock it. Not sleep it (remember. Do not close the lid. It will sleep whatever you do AFAIK)

 

[dagored]

Well, I did the hot corners thing last night, leaving the lid open. Pro ia at 75% and the symbol says it is not charging. When I left it last night it had reached 75%, I discharged it from 98%, and was running off the charger. Apple's battery app says : Power Source-Power Adapter, battery is not charging. I guess its working correctly.

As I stated previously, this thread helped me get my head around this concept of holding a charge at a specific level and then going about your business as usual. Right now, this is a great app for people like me that keep their Macs plugged in a majority of the time. Time will tell if it is helping the mac's battery life.

 

[JoelBC]

Which is weird since it shouldn't sleep it at all. As long as you're enabling the Prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when the display is off option. Using the hot corners should just turn the display off and lock it. Not sleep it (remember. Do not close the lid. It will sleep whatever you do AFAIK)

Agreed…

But for some reason my MacBook / AlDente is sleeping even when the “Prevent Mac from sleeping when display is off” is enabled.

The sleeping problem is being worked on by both AlDente and the engineers at Apple. Hopefully someone will come up with an answer.

Question for all: Is anyone on this thread using Parallels as one suggestion made by Apple was that Parallels was the cause of the problem.

Thx!

 

[vivid.gear71]

sleeping issues

• https://github.com/davidwernhart/AlDente/discussions/512
• https://github.com/davidwernhart/AlDente/issues/482
• https://github.com/davidwernhart/AlDente/issues/472
• https://github.com/davidwernhart/AlDente/issues/460

I had sleeping issue (unable to sleep while discharging) on latest free version so I downloaded to older version 1.08 and it works most of time and sometimes not sleeping. I am getting tired of this issue and decided to use apple one since I can hold it for 80%
If I want to unplug power adapter, then I disable optimizing battery charging which makes OSX believe I am always using power adapter so 80% will always be kicked in no matter what I do.

I really like this app but 'unable to sleep' is very bad issue in case my MacBook is stolen or some other people could check without logging in.

I will revisit this app again when sleep issue is resolved properly

 

[JoelBC]

sleeping issues

• https://github.com/davidwernhart/AlDente/discussions/512
• https://github.com/davidwernhart/AlDente/issues/482
• https://github.com/davidwernhart/AlDente/issues/472
• https://github.com/davidwernhart/AlDente/issues/460

I had sleeping issue (unable to sleep while discharging) on latest free version so I downloaded to older version 1.08 and it works most of time and sometimes not sleeping. I am getting tired of this issue and decided to use apple one since I can hold it for 80%
If I want to unplug power adapter, then I disable optimizing battery charging which makes OSX believe I am always using power adapter so 80% will always be kicked in no matter what I do.

I really like this app but 'unable to sleep' is very bad issue in case my MacBook is stolen or some other people could check without logging in.

I will revisit this app again when sleep issue is resolved properly

Interesting post noting the following:

1. AlDente, based on e-mail exchanges I had with the developer, disables both the screensaver and sleep when discharging. This is normal behaviour.

2. I am experiencing the opposite problem; specifically, my MacBook sleeps when I don’t want it to which is a problem because then it charges when I don’t want it too.

I would rather have your problem noting that once it hits the charge limit the screen saver and Sheri should kick.

***

Hope this helps.

 

[vivid.gear71]

Interesting post noting the following:

1. AlDente, based on e-mail exchanges I had with the developer, disables both the screensaver and sleep when discharging. This is normal behaviour.

2. I am experiencing the opposite problem; specifically, my MacBook sleeps when I don’t want it to which is a problem because then it charges when I don’t want it too.

I would rather have your problem noting that once it hits the charge limit the screen saver and Sheri should kick.

***

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the info.
For no 1, discharging also allows sleep on older version. So if they change how this app works for sleeping part then I cannot use this app anymore.

 

[JoelBC]

Thanks for the info.
For no 1, discharging also allows sleep on older version. So if they change how this app works for sleeping part then I cannot use this app anymore.

You are welcome.

1. If you don’t use the app then what do you to maximize battery life? I would like to know.

2. I am told a fix / new version that deans with sleeping is scheduled for release by the end of the month.

I am hoping that it solves my problems.

Thx.

 

[vivid.gear71]

You are welcome.

1. If you don’t use the app then what do you to maximize battery life? I would like to know.

2. I am told a fix / new version that deans with sleeping is scheduled for release by the end of the month.

I am hoping that it solves my problems.

Thx.

1. I use https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212049 as my first reply above. currently on hold for 77%
2. yes I do hope so ! Thanks for the all info you shared !

Here are some battery health management info from Apple

• https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT211832. (apple silicon)
• https://www.apple.com/batteries/maximizing-performance/ (in general)
• https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211094 (intel)

 

[throAU]

Question: In terms of battery health, is it better to leave the MacBook plugged in all the time, is it better to let it run down and then recharge fully, other and, of course, why?

Optimised battery charging will detect if you do not use it on battery much and limit charge to 80% if you've been running on AC a lot. It actually tells you this too. I'd screenshot it (popped up for me on my m1 pro the other day) but since I have used it on battery and its gone back to 100%.

 

[JoelBC]

1. I use https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212049 as my first reply above. currently on hold for 77%
2. yes I do hope so ! Thanks for the all info you shared !

Here are some battery health management info from Apple

• https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT211832. (apple silicon)
• https://www.apple.com/batteries/maximizing-performance/ (in general)
• https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211094 (intel)

Appreciate the response.

I wonder whether this would work in my case as I rarely unplug my MacBook.

What did you do train your MacBook and how long did it take?

Thx.

 

[JoelBC]

Optimised battery charging will detect if you do not use it on battery much and limit charge to 80% if you've been running on AC a lot. It actually tells you this too. I'd screenshot it (popped up for me on my m1 pro the other day) but since I have used it on battery and its gone back to 100%.

How long did you have it plugged in until it popped up and how did it drop to 80% if you have it plugged in most of the time?

Does it discharge itself like AlDente?

Thx.

 

[throAU]

How long did you have it plugged in until it popped up and how did it drop to 80% if you have it plugged in most of the time?

Does it discharge itself like AlDente?

Thx.

I've owned mine since... first week or so.

First time I saw it was yesterday, Mac had been run on AC power for a few days, but I do spend a lot of time on AC power with it in general.

Not sure if it discharged itself down 80% but I believe it did. MagSafe was orange which made me look at it, and it was limited to 80%. I do not believe I ran it down to 80% myself.

Sorry for being a bit vague, I've only seen it once so far. Suspect it takes a while to learn.

 

[JoelBC]

I've owned mine since... first week or so.

First time I saw it was yesterday, Mac had been run on AC power for a few days, but I do spend a lot of time on AC power with it in general.

Not sure if it discharged itself down 80% but I believe it did. MagSafe was orange which made me look at it, and it was limited to 80%. I do not believe I ran it down to 80% myself.

Sorry for being a bit vague, I've only seen it once so far. Suspect it takes a while to learn.

All good and thank you.

Just to be clear, are you saying that it took about 1 week or so to limit it to 80%?

Thanks.

 

[GoztepeEge]

So, I think that there are some conclusions, widely accepted, about macbook battery health:

- keeping macbook connected to power all the time, will shorten the life of battery
- it is a good practice to keep battery charged somewhere around 80%, even in case someone has the macbook connected to power all the time

Am I telling right or I understood wrong?

If you keep the battery 100% connected at the battery level as 100%, then it will shorten the battery health/life.
You can keep it always connected to the charger, but not at the 100% batery level. To do this, you can use AlDente or something else, which allows us to stop charging at a given threshold. The most practical range is between 50% and 80%. I keep mine at 50% because I am using it like a desktop PC right now (you know, covid, homeoffice etc.)

 

[JoelBC]

Here is a few interesting things:

1. I have been doing some additional testing and I no longer think the problem is that my MBP is not sleeping but rather that I am bring logged out or the system is restarting.

2. When the computer is woken up after sleeping what is one presented with (login screen or wallpaper or other)?

3. When the computer is woken up after the display is off but not sleeping what is one presented with (login screen or wallpaper or other)?

4. How can one tell when a MacBook which does not have any indicator lights whether the MacBook is sleeping (as opposed to the display sleeping)?

5. And what does it mean that when waking up the computer one sees the multi-colour logon screen (as opposed to the wallpaper). I am seeing the multi-colour login screen which is why I think I am being logged off or the computer is restarting.

Thanks,

Joel

 

[throAU]

All good and thank you.

Just to be clear, are you saying that it took about 1 week or so to limit it to 80%?

Thanks.

No, I'm saying that I have owned the M1 Pro 14" since about the first week they were available.

 

[JoelBC]

No, I'm saying that I have owned the M1 Pro 14" since about the first week they were available.

Appreciate that, so it took a while.

Thanks.

 

[throAU]

Appreciate that, so it took a while.

Thanks.

Yeah but to be fair most days I would use it on battery a bit. Essentially since Christmas its been on AC power.

So it's possible it evaluates/decides to go into battery charge management after about a week.

 

[moro30]

I use "Aldente Pro version" I do not understand why when I put it in charge the display never turns off, although I have set it in the settings to make it turn off after 5 minutes of inactivity. how can i solve this problem or what should i select to turn off the display while charging my macbook pro?