Battery Health

[JoelBC]

What? That option only stops the sleeping process when the display is off (apples option. Not AlDente's)

Are you currently charging to 50% when it doesn't want to turn off the display? If yes then it's prob your aldente option to keep awake till it reaches 50% . Since it's a wake lock.

It's not the software's fault, AFAIK if you want to prevent sleep temporarily. It will stop the display from going entirely from on to off. It's just how Mac OS handle those things AFAIK.

If you just want to prevent sleep but simultaneously allowing the display to turn off. Then just use the prevent sleep while charging on System Preferences. Disable the disable sleep option on AlDente so it won't keep the machine on a wakelock which will let the screen on until the wakelock is off

Alright, let's take this in small bites because I am very frustrated at this point:

1. Agreed, that the option only prevents the sleeping process when the display is off.

2. Agreed, that were I charging to 50% then AlDente would prevent the computer from sleeping. The problem is that I am DISCHARGING to 50% and a) the screensaver does NOT kick in and b) the splay therefore does not go to sleep!

I hope that helps clarify things!

Please let me know.

Thanks.

 

[white7561]

Alright, let's take this in small bites because I am very frustrated at this point:

1. Agreed, that the option only prevents the sleeping process when the display is off.

2. Agreed, that were I charging to 50% then AlDente would prevent the computer from sleeping. The problem is that I am DISCHARGING to 50% and a) the screensaver does NOT kick in and b) the splay therefore does not go to sleep!

I hope that helps clarify things!

Please let me know.

Thanks.

Well to answer number 2. Idk. Try looking at the activity monitor. Does it say AlDente is preventing sleep?

If yes then it is probably intended . It probably will stop the wakelock after you've reached your 50% . But again. You need to check first. And if it is preventing sleep until it reaches 50% then you need to report that too. To either change how it works or change the phrasing.

I get that you're frustrated. But yeh i haven't met these problems in my use case and I haven't seen others complaint too. So I guess it's just all revealed because of your use case

 

[JoelBC]

Well to answer number 2. Idk. Try looking at the activity monitor. Does it say AlDente is preventing sleep?

If yes then it is probably intended . It probably will stop the wakelock after you've reached your 50% . But again. You need to check first. And if it is preventing sleep until it reaches 50% then you need to report that too. To either change how it works or change the phrasing.

I get that you're frustrated. But yeh i haven't met these problems in my use case and I haven't seen others complaint too. So I guess it's just all revealed because of your use case

I appreciate the help.

I have emailed the developer, let’s see what he comes back with.

I will keep you posted.

Thx!

 

[white7561]

I appreciate the help.

I have emailed the developer, let’s see what he comes back with.

I will keep you posted.

Thx!

Yeah no problem!! I have sent a report too . A week ago I think and yeah they replied to it. We'll see. It is near new year tho so idk if they are having days off right now

 

[JoelBC]

Yeah no problem!! I have sent a report too . A week ago I think and yeah they replied to it. We'll see. It is near new year tho so idk if they are having days off right now

I have done a little more experimenting and have discovered that when in discharge mode teh screensaver does not engage and the display does not go to sleep.

I think this is a big that needs to be fixed so the two issues that exists are:

1. Discharge mode prevents the screen ever from being engaged and thus the display from sleeping; and

2. AlDente stops working when the computer goes to sleep.

Let's see what the developer comes back with.

Thanks.

Joel

 

[white7561]

I have done a little more experimenting and have discovered that when in discharge mode teh screensaver does not engage and the display does not go to sleep.

I think this is a big that needs to be fixed so the two issues that exists are:

1. Discharge mode prevents the screen ever from being engaged and thus the display from sleeping; and

2. AlDente stops working when the computer goes to sleep.

Let's see what the developer comes back with.

Thanks.

Joel

For number 1. Have you tried disabling the AlDente option to keep the device awake when charging? Since it's kinda redundant since you have already set the System Preferences to disable sleep when power is connected. And considering apps prob use wakelock it will disable screen off too .

 

[JoelBC]

For number 1. Have you tried disabling the AlDente option to keep the device awake when charging? Since it's kinda redundant since you have already set the System Preferences to disable sleep when power is connected. And considering apps prob use wakelock it will disable screen off too .

I will RESPECTFULLY disagree as I think they are two different things:

1. The Mac setting instructs the laptop not sleep;

2. The AlDente setting instructs the laptop bit yo sleep until the charge limit is reached.

So, let’s say the laptop is at 45% charge, the charge limit is 50% and the computer is ready to sleep then:

1. The Mac setting and the AlDente setting would BOTH prevent the laptop from sleeping when the battery charges from 45% to 50%.

2. The Mac setting would prevent the laptop from sleeping at 50% charge BUT the AlDente setting would not.

I am conducting testing now and will share the refiners.

I am thinking the culprit is the AlDente stop charging while sleeping setting but will let you know.

 

[white7561]

I will RESPECTFULLY disagree as I think they are two different things:

1. The Mac setting instructs the laptop not sleep;

2. The AlDente setting instructs the laptop bit yo sleep until the charge limit is reached.

So, let’s say the laptop is at 45% charge, the charge limit is 50% and the computer is ready to sleep then:

1. The Mac setting and the AlDente setting would BOTH prevent the laptop from sleeping when the battery charges from 45% to 50%.

2. The Mac setting would prevent the laptop from sleeping at 50% charge BUT the AlDente setting would not.

I am conducting testing now and will share the refiners.

I am thinking the culprit is the AlDente stop charging while sleeping setting but will let you know.

Well yeah. What I meant was since you're gonna disable sleep while power is connected anyways using the MacOS native feature. Why enable the option on AlDente? Since AFAIK what they (AlDente and other apps) use is a normal wake lock which keeps the screen on until the wakelock is released

 

[JoelBC]

Well yeah. What I meant was since you're gonna disable sleep while power is connected anyways using the MacOS native feature. Why enable the option on AlDente? Since AFAIK what they (AlDente and other apps) use is a normal wake lock which keeps the screen on until the wakelock is released

I would very much prefer NOT disable sleep on the MacBook so that it can sleep but have AlDente prevent it from sleeping to manage the charge.

Will be done testing in an hour or two and will share the results.

 

[JoelBC]

@white7561 , as promised, the tests and their results are located at the below URL (it is a bit of a read as I wanted to be thorough).

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tqub...nte.docx?dl=0&rlkey=dxdl24lapahka9jvo292rurjy

I have sent them along to the developer, let's see what comes back.

In a good place for now as the developer has been very response so I feel I will get this dial in one rthe next day or wo.

Thanks.

 

[JoelBC]

@white7561 , I just got home form dinner, the problem is back. Not happy! Sent log to the developer! There is definitely a big, likely related to when the computer sleeps!

 

[white7561]

@white7561 , I just got home form dinner, the problem is back. Not happy! Sent log to the developer! There is definitely a big, likely related to when the computer sleeps!

Yeah probably need to wait until it's fixed

 

[JoelBC]

@white7561, developer confirmed that it is a bug but without a log it will be tough to track down...I am a bit surprised that they do not include their own lodging files with the application as most developers do...perhaps in he next iteration.

 

[white7561]

@white7561, developer confirmed that it is a bug but without a log it will be tough to track down...I am a bit surprised that they do not include their own lodging files with the application as most developers do...perhaps in he next iteration.

Yeh. But overall the app itself is pretty good. For the things I use it's really good. Tho yeah there are some bugs but as long as the dev is always replying and addressing the bugs we found. It's fine.

 

[JoelBC]

Yeh. But overall the app itself is pretty good. For the things I use it's really good. Tho yeah there are some bugs but as long as the dev is always replying and addressing the bugs we found. It's fine.

Agreed.

The problem I have though is that the app does not work for me as is because my MacBook fully recharges every night which is not good!

Will hope / need / want them to get this sorted quickly!

 

[theedle]

Finally, new MacBook arrived at morning! Installed coconutBattery and I see that 0.7% is already gone. Does it normal or I should start worrying? I've got more that 3 weeks for send it back, so..

UPD: now it shows 99.5%. I was doing nothing. I think that this is software problem.

 

[GoztepeEge]

Finally, new MacBook arrived at morning! Installed coconutBattery and I see that 0.7% is already gone. Does it normal or I should start worrying? I've got more that 3 weeks for send it back, so..

UPD: now it shows 99.5%. I was doing nothing. I think that this is software problem.

I advise you to use the Battery Health 3, which I am using right now.

Coconut might be giving you a wrong result.

In addition, plese do not keep the battery 100% full or 100% empty. Try to use it around 50%, like in between 30% and 80%. When you exceed 80 and get less than 30, it might damage the battery by time as well.

This is important to check the health in a better way and keep the battery healthy for a long time.

 

[theedle]

I advise you to use the Battery Health 3, which I am using right now.

Coconut might be giving you a wrong result.

In addition, plese do not keep the battery 100% full or 100% empty. Try to use it around 50%, like in between 30% and 80%. When you exceed 80 and get less than 30, it might damage the battery by time as well.

This is important to check the health in a better way and keep the battery healthy for a long time.

Battery health 2 showing 100%, but wrong manufacture date.
CoconutBattery, today, is 99%. :-/

 

[JoelBC]

@white7561 , curious, are you running AlDente on Apple or Intel silicon. Wondering whether that is why I am having problems.

 

[white7561]

@white7561 , curious, are you running AlDente on Apple or Intel silicon. Wondering whether that is why I am having problems.

Apple silicon . On the new 16" M1 Pro

 

[white7561]

Battery health 2 showing 100%, but wrong manufacture date.
CoconutBattery, today, is 99%. :-/

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It seems to be like the one showed by istat menus. Don't worry it fluctuates usually. Sometimes it's higher sometimes it's lower. Seems to depend on the current calculation I think

 

[theedle]

It seems to be like the one showed by istat menus. Don't worry it fluctuates usually. Sometimes it's higher sometimes it's lower. Seems to depend on the current calculation I think

iStat says that battery got 100% health. Only coconutBattery gives 98-99%, sooo.. I think that I really don't need to worry (but I will )))). Thanks for reply!

 

[JoelBC]

Apple silicon . On the new 16" M1 Pro

Appreciate that.

I too am running the new 16" M1 Pro. Mine is an M1 Max with 64GB RAM. Would you mine sharing teh spec of your machine, your battery configuration and your ALDente configuration as I cannot figure out why it works for you but does not work for me.

Thanks.

 

[cool11]

So, I think that there are some conclusions, widely accepted, about macbook battery health:

- keeping macbook connected to power all the time, will shorten the life of battery
- it is a good practice to keep battery charged somewhere around 80%, even in case someone has the macbook connected to power all the time

Am I telling right or I understood wrong?

 

[white7561]

Appreciate that.

I too am running the new 16" M1 Pro. Mine is an M1 Max with 64GB RAM. Would you mine sharing teh spec of your machine, your battery configuration and your ALDente configuration as I cannot figure out why it works for you but does not work for me.

Thanks.

I'm just using the base M1 Pro with 16gigs of ram. Just upped my storage to 1TB . AlDente I just set it to 50%. I don't enable the sailing mode etc. Since i don't really need it .

So, I think that there are some conclusions, widely accepted, about macbook battery health:

- keeping macbook connected to power all the time, will shorten the life of battery
- it is a good practice to keep battery charged somewhere around 80%, even in case someone has the macbook connected to power all the time

Am I telling right or I understood wrong?

Keeping it connected should be fine as long as the battery isn't 100% at all time. 50-80% is fine. But for the fuel gauge accuracy, it is recommended to calibrate your battery every month or so . So the percentage is always accurate