I would also like to live in what utopia you live in where market works wonders and everyone plays nice with each other.
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Beeper Mini on Continued Outages: 'It's Super Annoying That Apple is Penalizing Their Own Customers'
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I never said the market works wonders and everyone plays nice with each other.
But consumers should have the right to dictate how trends and market goes by voting with their wallet. Not because a goverrnment is telling me what I need and dont need and what is fair for me. Especially when I am not even a part of said government.
I dont know why android developers whant so badly to use imessage or be able to message someone with blue bubble to iPhone?????
That already happens every single day. Texts that appear to be from someone else maliciously that try to entice you into calling or clicking.
They have been able to since the inception of market and exchange of goods hundreds of thousands of years ago, even before feudal age. So I fail to understand what has been taken away here, short of government mandates to maintain a bare minimum of standard for all citizens.
Beeper are not doing anything wrong IMO. Apple are not doing anything wrong either by trying to shut this down. After all, iMessage is supposed to be safe, secure and spam free. Such loop holes no doubt will be exploitable and that's not good for anyone that uses iMessage.
Boo boo. I’m so sorry you couldn’t profit off of someone’s closed intellectual property.
and how does one do that UNLESS you can get all other parties to also use Telegram?
Think things through.
It isn’t about colors. It is about the ability to leverage high definition messaging and the use of E2EE - security and privacy.
Then that’s a problem with the app, not Apple. If the alternative apps can’t be used well for business purposes, then that’s on them. Besides, I don’t buy that argument for a second, I’ve used FaceBook Messenger and WhatsApp for lots of business stuff. And I live in America. If WhatsApp can’t be used for business, then the EU is in trouble, because I hear that’s there most popular messaging app, and lots of people use it on iPhones… I still don’t see a single area where making them the “default” would somehow improve business messaging, or not being able to set them as default somehow supposedly prevents it. You can even remove the Messages app if you want. You can pretty much make any messaging app default by just not using the Messages app, it’s really not that difficult.
So because your friends dont want to use another app, then it is Apple's fault?
Make it make sense.
Apple has created an app that its users want to use. that's not apple's fault they dont want to use anything else.
You can argue that Apple SHOULD have adopted RCS years ago.....I wont argue against that. I'll let you have that bone.
On the flipside, i cancel that argument simply because Apple has already created an app for it's users while maintaining the bare minimum for communication with SMS. So they have fulfilled their obligation. You can communicate with android. just not in the way you wish.
Furthermore, RCS is not even wholly reliable. For whatever reason, I am a part of Android Subs on reddit and I have seen several posts where RCS is still highly dependent on Carriers and that many times when RCS messages dont deliver it just is in limbo. It does not even fall back to SMS like iMessage does. It just hangs. And people are none the wiser.
So i am not shocked Apple isn't jumping on something that still has issues and it is not wholly reliable.
Considering Spotify and it's own shady policies with how it pays artist, the EU should actually be focused on regulating that (a company from its own area) instead of telling apple to change a cord.
You want to talk gatekeeping.....EU is definitely turning a blind eye to Spotify's own shady dealings. Probably because it benefits their government financially. But EU has our interest at heart.
Please stop going on and with the same tired argument. For you, it might not be about a color. For Android users mostly, yes it is because they are tired of hearing their friends complain about a bubble color (An exaggeration).
if it was not about a color, you wouldnt see people still upset over beeper being blocked when RCS is announced to be coming.
People have even admitted that even with RCS coming they still want iMessage so they can blue so people stop judging them for using an android because they feel bullied. So yes this is about a color. It's about the stigma the color has that Android users believe apple created lol
All this has been said by Android users on MR in every thread about beeper. I dont pull stuff out of nowhere.
Because IOS is not Android, they want to complain lol.
Set up a BlueBubbles server. You can have it all, and it works exceptionally well.
Look, I’m not a fan of anti-competitive practices and am generally a fan of making things as open as possible across platforms, and could be persuaded by an argument that Apple should bring iMessage to android. But beeper mini is stealing access and using Apple servers without permission and then charging their customers for it. And then publicly complaining that the company they’re stealing from isn’t into it? In no world should anyone be behind that!
Exactly, when governments try to interfere with the free market to “fix things” it rarely ever turns out well. And let’s be honest here, governments are typically corrupt entities who will pander to the business doing the most for them, not their customers. A marketplace where governments pick the winners and the losers will practically never favor the customer, they nearly always benefit the highest bidders, the companies willing to grease the wheels and lobby the hardest.
Sounds like someone complaining the neighbor added a password to their Wi-Fi.
Mail them a letter, and tell them you'll only respond to them on whatever messaging app you want them to use....
Make sure to use blue paper and white ink when writing the letter so the other person knows you have class.
Android users are not Apple's customers. WTF. Quit whining. Apple didn't allow access to your third party junkware. Wahhhh.
So, they're mad at Apple that they couldn't use iMessage and iMessage servers for free?
Apple should allow this Beeper Mini thing to exist, and they should be allowed to use the iMessage servers etc., BUT... Apple should force any messages through that service to be white text on a white bubble.
Hmm...develop software that uses undocumented, private API's and protocols and complain when that interface changes...schtoopid...
I think what's more "insidious" (if that's the verb) about this whole Beeper thing isn't so much the software and access to iMessages, but the narrative that is being pushed by its CEO and other supporters.
I notice how the CEO is talking about this with the presumption that it is in not only their right to do what they do but it is in everyone's right to be able to access this whole iMessage ecosystem and how dare it not be made opened! Sorry to say but this is very much like the kind of tactic that Donald Trump uses. What's the tactic? The tactic is by changing the understanding of actual facts by pitching a totally different narrative that begins with premises that we should question immediately, because the premise is quickly adopted as "common sense" if there isn't a large as a vocal opposition that questions the premise.
In other words, the tactic is:
- change the premise and move forward as if the premise is already correct and doesn't need questioning
- and continue to vocalise it loudly in all channels to buy the sympathy of others
- and use that growing sympathy to basically do the work that you really want happen
A classic example of how a kind of questioning that begins with a premise that in some situations ought to be questioned is: "So when will you stop beating your wife?"
It begins with the premise that you are already beating your wife and moves on from there, quickly, to keep hounding the message. But were you actually beating your wife, to begin with? Do you even have a wife?
I notice how the CEO is talking about this with the presumption that it is in not only their right to do what they do but it is in everyone's right to be able to access this whole iMessage ecosystem and how dare it not be made opened! Sorry to say but this is very much like the kind of tactic that Donald Trump uses. What's the tactic? The tactic is by changing the understanding of actual facts by pitching a totally different narrative that begins with premises that we should question immediately, because the premise is quickly adopted as "common sense" if there isn't a large as a vocal opposition that questions the premise.
In other words, the tactic is:
- change the premise and move forward as if the premise is already correct and doesn't need questioning
- and continue to vocalise it loudly in all channels to buy the sympathy of others
- and use that growing sympathy to basically do the work that you really want happen
A classic example of how a kind of questioning that begins with a premise that in some situations ought to be questioned is: "So when will you stop beating your wife?"
It begins with the premise that you are already beating your wife and moves on from there, quickly, to keep hounding the message. But were you actually beating your wife, to begin with? Do you even have a wife?
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And I have to wonder who judges them and why in their mind. Maybe their life is so shallow and hollow they resort to judge people by their chat bubble colours. And to those “victims”, the correct response should be just walking away.
Any time this kind of anti-government interference comment coming up I can’t stop to think what has free market done to our society before regulation kicks in. Nothing only has positive side one or negative side only. And there must be a reason regulation exist. Of course, government decision will be influenced by the highest bidder because businesses with unlimited cash can sway the government at will, and yet let’s blame the government, not the business behind the scene skewing the free market.