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I (we) should be entitled to set a different default messaging app on iOS, though.
I agree you should be able to set a default app (to a degree). But you can just as easy use whatever messaging app you want to use with no issue.

For example, i almost never use the iPhone camera for selfies. I literally use the snapchat camera. Not that hard.

If you want default everything where everything is not working as one central unit, go to android.
 
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This idea that Beeper hacked iMessage seems like a poor word choice... they reverse engineered it.

It's not as if they did this maliciously, I think that's what's causing the disconnect here... it's a problem created by Apple that they are attempting to fix. Of course, Apple does not care to fix this problem because it benefits them.
they hacked it. Hacking doesnt mean that they did anything malicious but it is still used by hackers to....wait for it, hack.

Reverse engineering software allows programmers to manipulate raw data into a useful form, thanks to the development of various digitizing devices. Reverse engineering is a powerful tool which hackers could use to compromise any security system.
 
This idea that Beeper hacked iMessage seems like a poor word choice... they reverse engineered it.

It's not as if they did this maliciously, I think that's what's causing the disconnect here... it's a problem created by Apple that they are attempting to fix. Of course, Apple does not care to fix this problem because it benefits them.


Sue them for what exactly?
Sue them for making use of Apple’s server space to access Apple services in violation of the terms of use for said services, without Apple’s permission, and without any compensation, while charging their customers for access to Apple’s service (which Apple didn’t give them permission to use in this manner). There wouldn’t be any issue if Beeper had opted to make their own service using their own server space, their own apps on both ends, etc. Apple even offers plenty of APIs for many features within the Messages app that Beeper could have used for their own iOS messaging app, like the APIs used for the new sticker features. But they’re using Apple’s system without their consent, and that’s the issue.

And they absolutely did intentionally try to exploit a loophole to gain access into Apple’s system without Apple’s consent. This sounds a lot like hacking, because it’s something that hackers do… Whether or not Beeper used this hack in a malicious way (we actually don’t really know for sure) it doesn’t really make it less of a hack. Bear in mind, not all hacks are malicious.
 
Apple really should make a cross-platform version of iMessage. Until then, I'll commend the Beeper devs for being so great at giving Apple feedback on what exploits to patch
 
they hacked it. Hacking doesnt mean that they did anything malicious but it is still used by hackers to....wait for it, hack.
But the way Apple fanatics are characterizing it... you might come to the conclusion that Beeper is doing this maliciously.

There wouldn’t be any issue if Beeper had opted to make their own service using their own server space, their own apps on both ends, etc. Apple even offers plenty of APIs for many features within the Messages app that Beeper could have used for their own iOS messaging app, like the APIs used for the new sticker features. But they’re using Apple’s system without their consent, and that’s the issue.
I don't think you really know exactly what Beeper is doing here.

Beeper is using their own servers in attempt to create a way for Android phones to be recognized as iPhones... it's not as if they are using Apple's servers do this. I mean, yeah... they have to go through Apple's servers in order for Android devices to be verified.

But I don't believe it's doing any harm to Apple users... maybe it's a risk to Apple's profits. Because it would eliminate the need for the iMessage-lock in.
 
But the way Apple fanatics are characterizing it... you might come to the conclusion that Beeper is doing this maliciously.


I don't think you really know exactly what Beeper is doing here.

Beeper is using their own servers in attempt to create a way for Android phones to be recognized as iPhones... it's not as if they are using Apple's servers do this. I mean, yeah... they have to go through Apple's servers in order for Android devices to be verified.

But I don't believe it's doing any harm to Apple users... maybe it's a risk to Apple's profits. Because it would eliminate the need for the iMessage-lock in.
The same loopholes and backdoors Beeper is exploiting could also be used for malicious purposes. And they’re piggybacking on Apple’s software and system, without Apple’s consent, and in violation of the software and services terms of use. Again, if they were using their own servers and their own software, and weren’t using Apple’s software and servers without their consent, then this wouldn’t be an issue. Plenty of alternative messaging apps exist in the App Store. Beeper would just be another one of those. But they’re not just using all of their own software and servers, they’re using others without permission.
 
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If Apple actually cared about privacy and security they would've launched their own iMessage app for Android.

Instead they make iMessage an iPhone-exclusive and try to use it for ecosystem lock-in in order to optimize for profit....which is totally fine, kudos to them for optimizing for profit, but you can't pretend to put privacy and security over profit
 
Beeper charging for the service was inevitably going to cause a legal stink, this much they had to figure.

But if all the app is doing is essentially spoofing Apple hardware to enable E2EE, I don't see an issue if they managed to figure this out and implement the feature.

Would be on Apple to prove that having Android devices pretend to be Apple devices somehow causes a privacy breach anymore than sending a SMS. Which I know they won't bother to do because it would involve them admitting their iMessage set up isn't some magical "Apple only" technology, even if we all know it isn't.

They have absolutely zero case, or chance to fight it actually. They found a security vulnerability in iMessage. Beeper may have positive intentions in exploiting it. That doesn't stop it from being a security vulnerability. There is nothing stopping a malicious actor exploiting it to harm Apple users by pretending to be someone they are not.
 
This idea that Beeper hacked iMessage seems like a poor word choice... they reverse engineered it.

It's not as if they did this maliciously, I think that's what's causing the disconnect here... it's a problem created by Apple that they are attempting to fix. Of course, Apple does not care to fix this problem because it benefits them.


Sue them for what exactly?

But it's still a vulnerability. Beeper isn't doing anything malicious. But what about the people who would?

Let's put it another way without saying Beeper:

A developer found a way for anyone (e.g. phishing scammers) to pretend to be someone else and send you a legit-looking iMessage. Would you like Apple to fix that?
 
But it's still a vulnerability. Beeper isn't doing anything malicious. But what about the people who would?

Let's put it another way without saying Beeper:

A developer found a way for anyone (e.g. phishing scammers) to pretend to be someone else and send you a legit-looking iMessage. Would you like Apple to fix that?
I will also point out, Beeper isn’t doing anything malicious that we know about. Since they’re acting as a sort of middle-man, who knows what kind of data they may be collecting from people who use Beeper. I certainly wouldn’t trust a company that’s demonstrated that they are willing to violate terms of use, try to find and exploit holes in other companies’ systems, etc. with my personal messages. If they believe they’re entitled to use other companies software, server space, and services in violation of their terms of use, what would make me believe they may not also believe they’re entitled to personal user data and the contents of messages?
 
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I wondered what Eric was up to after Pebble imploded. Guess these guys are also on a hiding to nothing…
 
Seems like the app will be experiencing outages on and off till Apple finds a way to completely shut it down
 
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There are a lot of cross platform messengers out there in the market, if the US market is tired of using a proprietary messenger that’s only available on one platform, they can always switch to many of the very popular messengers, and most of them are cross platform. Being not in the US I find it very interesting that Americans still relies on SMS (iMessage is a messenger built on top of the SMS app in essence) so much.
 
But the way Apple fanatics are characterizing it... you might come to the conclusion that Beeper is doing this maliciously.
They sure aren;t doing it out of the greatness of the heart. The kid who did this, I think is Awesome but the CEO definitely expolited this obsession Android users have with blue bubbles and made some money off of it which is shady in my opinion.

Now he is trying to do this for the good of IOS users who literally arent the ones complaining.

Double shady.
I will also point out, Beeper isn’t doing anything malicious that we know about. Since they’re acting as a sort of middle-man, who knows what kind of data they may be collecting from people who use Beeper. I certainly wouldn’t trust a company that’s demonstrated that they are willing to violate terms of use, try to find and exploit holes in other companies’ systems, etc. with my personal messages. If they believe they’re entitled to use other companies software, server space, and services in violation of their terms of use, what would make me believe they may not also believe they’re entitled to personal user data and the contents of messages?
that is the key point. that we know. they are trying to be robin hood and very well could be doing something malicious. Why anyone would want to take that risk just for blue bubbles is insane.
If Apple actually cared about privacy and security they would've launched their own iMessage app for Android.

Instead they make iMessage an iPhone-exclusive and try to use it for ecosystem lock-in in order to optimize for profit....which is totally fine, kudos to them for optimizing for profit, but you can't pretend to put privacy and security over profit

they do care about privacy and security for imessage for their devices. they just dont care about you and why should they? you are not their demographic lmao
 
Apple said that it blocked Beeper Mini from exploiting fake credentials to gain access to iMessage, as this posed "significant risks to user security and privacy."
so…does Beeper Mini get a bounty from Apple for finding a significant bug that needed patching…? If it posed a significant risk? What was the risk? Seems like a decent loophole was left open that shouldn’t have been…?
 
so…does Beeper Mini get a bounty from Apple for finding a significant bug that needed patching…? If it posed a significant risk? What was the risk? Seems like a decent loophole was left open that shouldn’t have been…?
Hahahaha a reward for exploitation used to be called blackmail.
 
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You've got to be as dumb as a rock to attempt a business based on circumventing Apple's proprietary systems. The only way this might make sense is if they planned this whole thing as a publicity stunt.
 
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