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There are a lot of cross platform messengers out there in the market, if the US market is tired of using a proprietary messenger that’s only available on one platform, they can always switch to many of the very popular platforms, and most of them are cross platform. Being not in the US I find it very interesting that Americans still relies on SMS (iMessage is a messenger built on top of the SMS app in essence) so much.

I can simplify it for you.

I like to think I am what you would consider a trendy american. I am definitely not a flag waving "God save America" fanatic like the media would make you believe lol. I am nearly 30.

I do use SMS and iMessage regularly just because in America we are wired to trade numbers and "I'll send you a text" when we meet someone.
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HOWEVER, macrumors and the internet will have you believe that we care about bubble colors and never use any apps outside of iMessage which is an exaggeration of epic proportions.

I use iMessage regularly with friends and family and coworkers.

I also use snapchat to communicate with friends that are younger than me or relatives like my little brothers who are 17 because it is easier to get them there to respond.

I am what you would consider an influencer i guess so i tend to use Instagram and tik tok as well.

I have friends all over the world so we mainly use whatsapp and telegram to stay in contact.

Back in my early teens and 20s, i used to be heavily into K-pop (Korean Pop). Not as fanatical as I was then lol but i do listen to it now and Kakaotalk is a Korean prefered chat platform we used to talk to other K-pop fans. Bubble is another app that is popular.

THe point being is that Americans do use plenty of other messaging apps and communicate in more ways than iMessage/SMS. They simply need a reason to do so and most of us have at least one or more social media/messaging app so it's really overblown
 
Beepers response about reduced privacy just screams PR move and really plays into the political storm that is start to circle Apple in many regions.

Is someone with a bigger stake in the interoperability game secretly funding them?

This whole thing does bring back memories of the Pystar situation from years gone by. And that was clearly part of a bigger attempt to unlock Apples lucrative ecosystem.
 
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The time spent trying to stop a silly text message maybe they should focus on the bugs on the Apple TV cause it ain’t even functioning right since the new update
So…they shouldn’t protect their current user base from what could cause potential hacks and exploits to their Messages server? That’s absurd. Besides, the people on the AppleTV team are not responsible for the Messages team right, you did know this right?
 
The eu love breaking default apps and monopolys - like iMessage. First they will take the Irish cash, then bust open the App Store, then messages. Just look at the rcs reverse ferret

Yall really want Apple to fail for some reason lmao.

Anyway it has been said the EU does not deem iMessage a threat since it is not widely used by users so you sadly likely wont be getting your wish. RCS is coming so there you go.

Or use one of the many cross platform apps. You do have choices that apple does not control no matter how much you want to blame them.
 
Yall really want Apple to fail for some reason lmao.

Anyway it has been said the EU does not deem iMessage a threat since it is not widely used by users so you sadly likely wont be getting your wish. RCS is coming so there you go.

Or use one of the many cross platform apps. You do have choices that apple does not control no matter how much you want to blame them.
I want them to fail so much I’m writing this on a 15 pro max, have an M1 Pro, and an iPad Pro, have a Apple TV 4K, apple 1 subscription and listen to air pods pro.

I don’t like Google for being creepy, Microsoft for doing bad browser stuff and Facebook for almost everything apart from their amazing open source stuff.

I think Apple are at their best when they do product engineering not financial engineering.

And you’re right it has been said……. By apple lawyers. The EU look after their consumers, I’m willing to bet you all my lightning cables.
 
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And you’re right it has been said……. By apple lawyers. The EU look after their consumers, I’m willing to bet you all my lightning cables.
What you have is irrelevant to me lol. It does not make it any different that you guys are actively wanting to weaken apple for whatever reason.

We are getting RCS, so why is iMessage still such a big discussion point for Android? Literally way more important things to focus on than iMessage which is largely irrelevant in every other country except the US.

The EU is worried about USB c ports and an app store and blue bubbles when Google is a far bigger threat than Apple ever could be at this point and time.

Besides that, I couldnt care less about Android or its users and I want apple to continue focusing on software for its customers because we should be the prrimary focus. Not catering to someone who has their feelings hurt over a bubble color(because even with RCS coming, that is literally all this is about) and how people see them.

Androdi users: It;s not about a bubble color.

Also Android users: People judge us because of a bubble color.

Most iPHone users don't care.
 
I don't know about the Beeper Mini but I've been using Airmessage for years without a problem to add iMessage to my Samsung phone and tablets. It works like a charm and not much of a security risk because Airmessage simply relays iMessages from my 7/24 running Mac Mini at home to my Android devices. Also Apple cannot block or stop this because Airmessage simply relays messages. The only caveat is that you have to have a real Apple device, like a Mac at home running 7/24 to receive and relay your iMessages.
 
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8 pages. I can already see how this go.
Nevertheless, Apple is a well-established business that knows how they want to survive. I present no sympathy to either side, and I don’t even care if Apple is doing right or wrong. It’s not my business.
However, holding Apple on moral high ground for this is something I am against. Business never have any moral high ground to stand on (especially for the likes of Google Apple Microsoft etc). All of those blah blah are for propaganda purposes. They can only be trusted by being regulated to do the right thing.
 
8 pages. I can already see how this go.
Nevertheless, Apple is a well-established business that knows how they want to survive. I present no sympathy to either side, and I don’t even care if Apple is doing right or wrong. It’s not my business.
However, holding Apple on moral high ground for this is something I am against. Business never have any moral high ground to stand on (especially for the likes of Google Apple Microsoft etc). All of those blah blah are for propaganda purposes. They can only be trusted by being regulated to do the right thing.
Nobody is talking about morals here. You can reverse engineer a protocol which is legal, but you can't except them to just let you make a business model on it. News flash it's not a business model, it's quick grab. Moreover you can't expect actual thinking people to side with you when you go on social playing victim, because you did not get what you wanted. Yeah i feel so bad. I'm not for or against anyone either, but this is nonsense.
 
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Nobody is talking about morals here. You can reverse engineer a protocol which is legal, but you can't except them to just let you make a business model on it. News flash it's not a business model, it's quick grab. Moreover you can't expect actual thinking people to side with you when you go on social and playing victim, because you did not get what you wanted. Yeah i feel so bad. I'm not for or against anyone either, but this is nonsense.
the most hilarious thing I read about this whole beeper situation was someone actually made a post on MR saying Apple was discriminating against Android users.

And they said it seriously.

This whole beeper thing has made me look at my own circle of friends and my social media following (i have a big following) and I asked eveyone i could "Do you care what phone people use?"

Almost everyone said No.
 
Beepers response about reduced privacy just screams PR move and really plays into the political storm that is start to circle Apple in many regions.

Is someone with a bigger stake in the interoperability game secretly funding them?

This whole thing does bring back memories of the Pystar situation from years gone by. And that was clearly part of a bigger attempt to unlock Apples lucrative ecosystem.
The issue Beeper is going to have is Apple has already said RCS is coming next year and Apple has zero obligations to let someone use a security hole in their system.
 
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My work phone is a Galaxy Fold 5 and my personal devices are all from Apple. The ability to send/receive iMessage across all devices was very convenient, for those 3 days that it worked.

But I guess, you can’t really have it all. LOL
 
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Sounds like Beeper should have created iMessage themselves and then they could do whatever they wanted with it instead of trying to find some type of shady, slimy way to patch t together to work so they can charge people and claim it is working. What balls to charge people for essentially a "hack" and then complain when the owner of that tech locks them out.
 
A default messaging service. Now if we could make Telegram or Signal the default in iOS …
And you can literally use telegram as your default by never using messages. Telegram does not support SMS or RCS at the moment, so it cant replace messages or iMessages.

but you can literally use telegram as a default simply by not using iMessage.

Idk how many times we have to keep telling you that because you keep repeating the same incorrect argument.
 
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Didn’t Apple recently state that they were implementing RCS messaging beginning next year? Won’t that enable encryption and similar features to what iMessage currently provides to Apple users? In the meantime use SMS or one of the myriad other messaging apps. Hacking iMessage is not the way to do things.
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No. Standard RCS does not have E2EE built in. One reason why Google added it to their implementation. Apple has no plans to add encryption into the version of RCS they are adding to iMessage. Apple has stated they hope that encryption could be added to the standard in the future. Wiht adding RCS we are getting better quality to and from, but no improvement in security or privacy.
 
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For the people saying “but you can’t set other messaging apps as default”, you really don’t need to. You can hide the Messages app away somewhere and put your messaging app of choice front and center on your home screen wherever you like. There isn’t much difference if it’s the “default” or not, except maybe incoming phone calls, but that’s irrelevant to texts. Just give out your contact for whatever messaging app you’ve chosen, and messaging can mostly be handled there if you want. Lots of people do it.

You so totally miss the functionality of the default. It works from a social media perspective usually, until it doesn’t. However all the business functionality is missing. Unless you can get businesses and the US culturally to change, you end up with a multitude of “messaging” apps.
 
The big question for Android users is why would they would want to impersonate being an iPhone user? Is iMessage that mush better than anything than Android has to offer that they feel the need to pretend they are using an iPhone? I thought the reason they use Android is because they think it’s vastly superior. Guess not.

Oh, and by the way, when RCS comes to iMessage Android users will still be green bubbles. Apple has confirmed this.
Trying to guess at why individual people chose one platform over another is a moot point. Though the reason for using something like Beeper is clearly to enable E2EE for messaging with iPhone users.

Who’s to say beepers method DOES still provided E2EE? Nothing and Sunbird’s attempt sure as **** didn’t, even though they vociferously claimed to.

This absolutely does affect iPhone users, if their devices are tricked into thinking the other device they’re communicating with is an iPhone but really is some android hack job with god knows what level of insight given to the company making it possible on the android’s end. If you can’t trust that your iMessages are going to iPhones, rather than to androids where some third party is helping facilitate their delivery, that 100% introduces a level of risk, and it devalues iMessage as a service because it’s less trustworthy if someone can pretend to have an iPhone. See: nothing storing message content in plaintext.

If you’re so vain that you NEED blue bubbles, buy a damn iPhone, it’s not this serious.
lol... I was going to ask you to provide possible insight into how spoofing an iPhone to enable encryption would somehow cause a security risk to anything else, but you clearly don't just drink the kool-aid, you sprouted gills and live in the bowl.

And to be fair, I don't think anyone outside iPhone users truly care about the concept of the "blue bubble". It's not about vanity, it's about the features and functionality. Or should be-- at any rate.

it doesn't matter if it is magical or not, they should not be doing this with out Apple's approval.
If someone can manage to reverse engineer a product and make a copy product is it ok ?
...yes. That's the entire concept of reverse engineering. There's been countless examples of products releasing as the result of reverse engineering that were not only better than the original, but also rendered the original obsolete.

They have absolutely zero case, or chance to fight it actually. They found a security vulnerability in iMessage. Beeper may have positive intentions in exploiting it. That doesn't stop it from being a security vulnerability. There is nothing stopping a malicious actor exploiting it to harm Apple users by pretending to be someone they are not.
Sure, and Apple has every right (and potential obligation) to patch such a flaw.

But I still don't see how this flaw, whose sole purpose is to enable encryption, presents any kind of a security risk to any user. If the encryption is truly secure, one Android user pretending to be an iPhone user would not and should not have any ability to impact any other feature of iMessage, let alone the phone.

And if this spoof truly poses such a grave risk, then Apple's entire iMessage service has turned out to be a greater liability than a boon all these years.

But likely this isn't the case, and again it's just the usual drinkers fearing for their "privacy" when anything upsets their delicate garden.
 
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