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BGR: Samsung smartphone sales are now absolutely crushing Apple
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Yes, simple math. When profits grown quarter after quarter there has to be a lot of warehouses full of smartphones not sold, isn't it?
Can you point me where are they?
Samsung sells more that just phones. Samsung 8 billion plus in profits vs apples 7 billionin profits. Samsung should be generating more profits given the size of their company.
Why they have to make more profits? And what has to do with your claim that Samsung doesn't sell the smartphones?
Still waiting where those warehouses are located
Not sure if serious.
Its no secret Apple has incredibly high profit margins. However your issue is Samsung (and all other manufactures) aren't charging enough?
You still don't get it....The mail app you will be using will be part of the corporate image on the phone. The IT department will incorporate it into the image on the phone. Only corporate approved apps will make it to the Android phone image deployed to company phones. This scenario is VERY VERY easy to support.
Really? If your company has not taken the time to develop their own policy for their mobile devices then they are foolish. Do they have a desktop/laptop policy? Do they have a standard image of what goes on the company workstations? Do they have servers? Do they have a company image that goes on those servers? Do they have anti virus and security measures in place? All of those and more are policies that have been developed. Just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they don't exist. What IOS version are they running? How do they prevent jailbreaking? There are hacks for IOS devices. How do they prevent this? If you have answers for these questions then it probably comes from a policy/standard your company has in place. If you are truly saying that you are in a position to that knows........and your company has no policies and standards in place then God help you.........
Now we know Apple had a record June with 31 million iPhones sold to customers. If you notice the verbiage in the article, it reports Samsung phones sold to channels (i.e., shipped to sales channels, like carrier stores, Best Buy Mobile stores, etc.), not to end customers. Samsung has NEVER reported phones sold to customers. We can reasonably expect the sales to customer number to be somewhat less than what it ships to resellers.
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Apple will be fine, despite their inability to produce a phone that tickles your taint in that special way.
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Nope. What they said was that there was negligible difference between Apple's "shipped" and "sold" numbers, meaning they know the capacity of their vendors/resellers and don't overship.
Assuming we're talking about the same article.
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Um, no. He can't, because there is no such article.
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I would like to see some companies kicking samsung down a notch. Not Apple but, other phone manufactures. HTC really knocked me back with the ONE, and now Moto is back in the game. I personally am excited! However we all know Nokia will be dominating by years end!
And yet HTC is not doing well. People are not flocking to the One like they hoped.
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All handsets not sold in a channel (retailer, carrier store, etc) gets shipped back to the manufacturer. At that point, the manufacturer decides how to limit loss on these devices. Offering them for sale on clearance websites and auction websites is a practice in the industry. It's only once those options are exhausted, that phones are recycled or donated to charities (e.g., anti-domestic abuse charities)
FYI for OP.
Smartphone sells numbers are one thing.
Profit margins are another. Samsung profit margins are eroding (just like the rest of the industry), including Apple's margin.
The smartphone market is getting very saturated.
The S4 will outsell the iPhone for one quarter. We all know what happens when apple releases another iPhone in September. People are crazy thinking Apple will wait to October. They are already on beta 3 of ios7.
The only reason for the 4S October launch was cause IOS 5 (with Siri still in beta).
iPhone 2012 will be released in September. That means Apple will out sell the S4 again for the next 3 quarters.
Nokia still sells the most "phones" worldwide. Nokia used to sell the most "smartphones" also.
Profit margin is the key. It's decreasing throughout the industry. The race to the bottom is coming.
Smartphone sells numbers are one thing.
Profit margins are another. Samsung profit margins are eroding (just like the rest of the industry), including Apple's margin.
The smartphone market is getting very saturated.
The S4 will outsell the iPhone for one quarter. We all know what happens when apple releases another iPhone in September. People are crazy thinking Apple will wait to October. They are already on beta 3 of ios7.
The only reason for the 4S October launch was cause IOS 5 (with Siri still in beta).
iPhone 2012 will be released in September. That means Apple will out sell the S4 again for the next 3 quarters.
Nokia still sells the most "phones" worldwide. Nokia used to sell the most "smartphones" also.
Profit margin is the key. It's decreasing throughout the industry. The race to the bottom is coming.
So, are you saying that Samsung is shipping more and more smartphones every quarter just to take them back?
By the way, Apple reports units shipped. Very telling what Cook said yesterday about the iPad numbers.
Tim: If you look year over year, we have a 2.4 million unit decrease, but 80 percent of that was due to inventory. Underlying sellthrough reduced by just 3 percent.
This says that they report shipped and not sold
Thanks for poisoning the well, and insulting your fellow posters at the same time!
Kudos to you!!
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The thread is about iPhones. Please keep it on topic. June was a record month for iPhones.
The thread is called: BGR: Samsung smartphone sales are now absolutely crushing Apple
The only relevant comparison to smartphones are smartphones. Anything else would be piling on, and you're not doing that, are you?
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Let me help you.
Serious.
Then we have a problem if you can't understand that quote from Tim Cook and how it is relevant.
Minus the fact that you missed the entire pointed of the post you tried to say going off topic. That post was their proving Apple saying "units sold" really means units shipped and sitting on store shelves.
Apple counts them as sold then second they leave Apple's warehouse. That is what it was proving.
So it says Samsung smartphone in the thread title.....yet you claimed this thread was all about iPhones. So were you wrong then or are you wrong now?
Not piling on but you said what you said:
You said: This thread is about iPhones. Please keep it on topic. June was a record month for iPhones.
Just going to point out that the "Siri still in Beta" is BS. Beta is nothing more than Apple doing CYA for errors. It is not really a beta or even a release candidate once you put it out for general release. Siri is still in Beta 2 years later. Gmail was in Beta for how many years?
Also looking at Apple's numbers they get the 1Q boost and then it drops down. You have to look at 12month cycles now and a trend. Apple has been losing market share.
That would be threw the carrier and subsidized by the carry. not samsungs work there. THere is no way in hell samsung would be selling the phones at 9 bucks a pop. But the carrier would have no issue with it and locking you all in to some pretty nice 50-100 bucks month/phone.
Now we know Apple had a record June with 31 million iPhones sold to customers. If you notice the verbiage in the article, it reports Samsung phones sold to channels (i.e., shipped to sales channels, like carrier stores, Best Buy Mobile stores, etc.), not to end customers. Samsung has NEVER reported phones sold to customers. We can reasonably expect the sales to customer number to be somewhat less than what it ships to resellers.
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Apple will be fine, despite their inability to produce a phone that tickles your taint in that special way.
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Nope. What they said was that there was negligible difference between Apple's "shipped" and "sold" numbers, meaning they know the capacity of their vendors/resellers and don't overship.
Assuming we're talking about the same article.
All handsets not sold in a channel (retailer, carrier store, etc) gets shipped back to the manufacturer. At that point, the manufacturer decides how to limit loss on these devices. Offering them for sale on clearance websites and auction websites is a practice in the industry. It's only once those options are exhausted, that phones are recycled or donated to charities (e.g., anti-domestic abuse charities)
FYI, Apple does not report "sold to customer" numbers either. They never have and never will. Nor do they break out sales by product (i.e. we will never know exactly how many iPhone 5's were sold in comparison to 4's or 4S's.) Apple likes to think that shipped and sold are one in the same, but they aren't. Inventory checks gave us a swing of between 27 and 37 million iPhones sold for the quarter. Apple reported smack dab in the middle of that. Go figure.
All that said, if you would like to debate the whole Apple only gives us sold numbers or close to it, you're in for a losing proposition. Apple themselves will state in every 10K annual filing that they only report "shipped" numbers. If you would like to read it for yourself, please log into Apple's financial reports for the 2012 10K filing and scroll down to page 26. Enjoy.
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This is correct for 80% of mobile devices sold by Apple through distributors. The other 20% are exact figures, as they are sold through Apple's online and brick and mortar stores.
I still cant wrap my brain around how people get emotionally attached to electronic devices and act like they are on a team/side and must defend it. I couldnt careless how much something sells that I like in comparison to something else, people are so wierd