BGR: Samsung smartphone sales are now absolutely crushing Apple

[deeddawg]

I still cant wrap my brain around how people get emotionally attached to electronic devices and act like they are on a team/side and must defend it.

I think it's some degree of seeking affirmation / confirmation that they made the right choice mixed up with some sort of pro/anti Apple sentiment.

I use the platform that best suits my needs at the time and gladly try out alternatives. I think it's great when a competing platform does well; a rising tide lifts all boats. To be happy when a competing platform does poorly is myopic.

 

[0dev]

I still cant wrap my brain around how people get emotionally attached to electronic devices and act like they are on a team/side and must defend it. I couldnt careless how much something sells that I like in comparison to something else, people are so wierd

It's not exactly abnormal behaviour, it's just most people express it in a different way. Listen to someone talk about their favourite football team and how they want them to win. They often even talk like they themselves are part of the team ("we beat you last night" etc). This is the same thing.

It's a bit strange but it's not abnormal, it's just how people act.

 

[Irishman]

Then we have a problem if you can't understand that quote from Tim Cook and how it is relevant.

Use words instead of the Jedi mind trick, sir, because it's failing you.

Explain?

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So it says Samsung smartphone in the thread title.....yet you claimed this thread was all about iPhones. So were you wrong then or are you wrong now?
Not piling on but you said what you said:
You said: This thread is about iPhones. Please keep it on topic. June was a record month for iPhones.

IPads were being thrown into the mix by others in the thread. I said that smartphones compared to smartphones would be the only meaningful comparison, and nothing else (tablets, PCs, etc) belongs in the comparison.

 

[Oletros]

Use words instead of the Jedi mind trick, sir, because it's failing you.

Explain?

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IPads were being thrown into the mix by others in the thread. I said that smartphones compared to smartphones would be the only meaningful comparison, and nothing else (tablets, PCs, etc) belongs in the comparison.

iPads are not compared to nothing. It only shows that Apple reports SHIPPED units, not sold units as you have said.

 

[Irishman]

iPads are not compared to nothing. It only shows that Apple reports SHIPPED units, not sold units as you have said.

If you had read what I said, you'd have understood me.

Here it is again: The difference between Apple's units shipped and units sold are negligible. I'm researching where I found this bit. As soon as I do, I'll post it here for you.

 

[Oletros]

If you had read what I said, you'd have understood me.

Here it is again: The difference between Apple's units shipped and units sold are negligible. I'm researching where I found this bit. As soon as I do, I'll post it here for you.

Here it is again, if you're implyng that the difference between Samsung's units shipped and units sold is not negligible I will be very glad to look at your sources. Until then, the shipped versus units it is only ********.

By the way, a sell in drop of 20% and sell through drop of 8% is not a negligible difference

 

[mib1800]

If you had read what I said, you'd have understood me.

Here it is again: The difference between Apple's units shipped and units sold are negligible. I'm researching where I found this bit. As soon as I do, I'll post it here for you.

When you say this, then you are indirectly saying that this applies to ALL other manufacturers as well. i.e shipped = sold. It is ridiculous to expect all the channels like the telcos/big marts to have a separate workflow/reporting just for iphones.

You are just fooling yourself to think that when Apple used the word "sold" that it has other meaning than "shipped"

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To quote the SEC 10K filing from Apple:
Part II. Item 7. Page 26
Critical Accounting Policies and Estimates > Revenue recognition

Net sales consist primarily of revenue from the sale of hardware, software, digital content and applications, peripherals, and service and support contracts. The Company recognizes revenue when persuasive evidence of an arrangement exists, delivery has occurred, the sales price is fixed or determinable, and collection is probable. Product is considered delivered to the customer once it has been shipped and title and risk of loss have been transferred. For most of the Company’s product sales, these criteria are met at the time the product is shipped. For online sales to individuals, for some sales to education customers in the U.S., and for certain other sales, the Company defers recognition of revenue until the customer receives the product because the Company retains a portion of the risk of loss on these sales during transit.

 

[Assault]

If you had read what I said, you'd have understood me.

Here it is again: The difference between Apple's units shipped and units sold are negligible. I'm researching where I found this bit. As soon as I do, I'll post it here for you.

Not sure why you are arguing a point that is proven to be false? There is no "sold" unit numbers given by Apple. All numbers are "shipped", save for the small percentage of their products sold in Apple stores and on Apple.com.
Apple's very own public 10K filing says this. (Qouted above for you!) You are substantiating the stereotype of what people refer to as "isheep". You ignore the facts, in favor of your own beliefs.

 

[appleisking]

Wait hold the phone. You mean a brand-new flagship sold better than a 9 month old flagship? Shocking. .

 

[kdarling]

Here it is again: The difference between Apple's units shipped and units sold are negligible.

Define "sold". If you mean going to retailers, then yes, shipped and sold are the same.

However, the difference between iPhones shipped/sold to retailers, and iPhones sold to end users during a report quarter, has sometimes been pretty high.

For example, this time last year, Tim Cook revealed that Apple had reported sales of 2.6 million more iPhones to retailers in the previous quarter, than were actually bought by end users.

Such a situation is not that unusual for any company. Retailers sometimes overbuy one quarter, and then correct themselves by buying a lot less the next quarter.

In fact, it's apparently what happened to Samsung a few years back with tablets in the US, and that's partly what started the oft-repeated but also oft-mistaken "shipped vs sold" meme.

 

[Menneisyys2]

Lol, iPhone couldn't be more far away from being the Porsche.

Exactly. The GS4 is, using even objective measures, is better than the iPhone 5. For example the camera quality can be objectively and properly measured.

 

[aneftp]

Exactly. The GS4 is, using even objective measures, is better than the iPhone 5. For example the camera quality can be objectively and properly measured.

I would hope the GS4 is better than a iPhone 5.

A 2013 S4 should be better than a 2012 phone.

Lets see the 2013 iPhone first.

 

[Fireblade]

I would hope the GS4 is better than a iPhone 5.

A 2013 S4 should be better than a 2012 phone.

Lets see the 2013 iPhone first.

Don't get your hopes too high

 

[InuNacho]

Android as a whole is cheaper and does more. Wait until the moto X for $300 comes out, game over!

People have been saying that about every Android phone and tablet, doesn't it get tiring saying the same thing over and over again?

 

[joshwithachance]

Samsung super phones (S4, Note 2) are arguably more appealing than the iPhone 5 and 4S. The iPhone is still an amazing phone, but it's basic now. Consumers are more tech savvy than ever, and they want more out of their gadgets. And that's where Samsung has swooped in and started to dominate.

 

[deeddawg]

Exactly. The GS4 is, using even objective measures, is better than the iPhone 5. For example the camera quality can be objectively and properly measured.

GS4 is a fine phone, don't get me wrong, but "better" is a subjective evaluation that depends heavily on what you're seeking to accomplish.

For example the following might be unimportant to some but important to others:

• Poorer max screen brightness / inferior screen readability in sunlight.
• Less neutral color tone (on every one of the several GS4s I looked at).
• Screen is susceptible to burn-in.
• No Amazon Prime Instant Video app.
• No notifications visible on lock screen with PIN lock enabled.
• Doesn't work with iMessage.

Point being you can say certain specs are greater or less, but "better" boils down to the needs of the user and that is an individual subjective matter.

 

[skratch77]

Lol you expect apples I message to work on a gs4? You might as well add no iTunes to your list and last time I checked the whole point of locking and securing your phone with a pin lock is so no random person can pick up your phone and see/use your stuff.

 

[Assault]

GS4 is a fine phone, don't get me wrong, but "better" is a subjective evaluation that depends heavily on what you're seeking to accomplish.

For example the following might be unimportant to some but important to others:

• Poorer max screen brightness / inferior screen readability in sunlight.
• Less neutral color tone (on every one of the several GS4s I looked at).
• Screen is susceptible to burn-in.
• No Amazon Prime Instant Video app.
• No notifications visible on lock screen with PIN lock enabled.
• Doesn't work with iMessage.

Point being you can say certain specs are greater or less, but "better" boils down to the needs of the user and that is an individual subjective matter.

Screen burn in? Seriously? I think you are confusing CRT with AMOLED. These might be important for others when considering an iphone and its issues.

• iPhone washes images out. Lighter colors lack any sort of saturation.
• Pictures are lower quality than the S4.
• Less black color tone. Blacks look more charcoal grey, than black.
• Screen is susceptible to light bleed. Almost every single LCD screen has this issue. Annoying at night or in dark rooms.
• No ability to access the file system. Can't send any type of attachment via email. Can't change or disable Apple's pre-installed crapware. No customization to personalize your phone.
• No ability to add storage to phone. No ability to change battery.
• No notifications visible at all when screen is off. No LED notification light.
• Forced to use Apple's monolithic ecosystem. Lack ability to share information like iMessages with no Apple phones.

 

[jamezr]

Screen burn in? Seriously? I think you are confusing CRT with AMOLED. These might be important for others when considering an iphone and its issues.

• iPhone washes images out. Lighter colors lack any sort of saturation.
• Pictures are lower quality than the S4.
• Less black color tone. Blacks look more charcoal grey, than black.
• Screen is susceptible to light bleed. Almost every single LCD screen has this issue. Annoying at night or in dark rooms.
• No ability to access the file system. Can't send any type of attachment via email. Can't change or disable Apple's pre-installed crapware. No customization to personalize your phone.
• No ability to add storage to phone. No ability to change battery.
• No notifications visible at all when screen is off. No LED notification light.
• Forced to use Apple's monolithic ecosystem. Lack ability to share information like iMessages with no Apple phones.

You forgot:
No way to block callers or texters

 

[mib1800]

For those of you obsessed with Apple profit. For the 2nd quarter,

Profit
Samsung (mobile division) +52% (vs 2012 Q2)
Apple (entire) -22% (vs 2012 Q2)

 

[ChazUK]

Screen burn in? Seriously? I think you are confusing CRT with AMOLED. These might be important for others when considering an iphone and its issues.

This is a friend of mines Galaxy S i9000 which I flashed with CyanogenMod 10 to get a little more life out of the old girl.

Sadly, the image retention is really noticeable when on the darker colours of stock Android. You can clearly see his app icons and the widget he was using on the screen.

 

[jamezr]

This is a friend of mines Galaxy S i9000 which I flashed with CyanogenMod 10 to get a little more life out of the old girl.
Image


Sadly, the image retention is really noticeable when on the darker colours of stock Android. You can clearly see his app icons and the widget he was using on the screen.

How old was that phone? Isn't it over 3 years old? I think the display technology has come a long was since then.....

 

[maxosx]

How old was that phone? Isn't it over 3 years old? I think the display technology has come a long was since then.....

Yes it has, the display on my S4 is particularly clear, with outstanding color balance and contrast. With a higher PPI value than my iPhone 5, it's clearly superior.

 

[deeddawg]

Lol you expect apples I message to work on a gs4?

Of course not. You'd have to be daft to think someone would expect that.
I mentioned it since if someone already uses it with family/friends across the world, a device that doesn't support it is unlikely to be "better" in the view of that person.

last time I checked the whole point of locking and securing your phone with a pin lock is so no random person can pick up your phone and see/use your stuff.

Yep, PIN lock prevents getting into the device. Yet there's great utility to the ability to see the phone number of your missed call or the sender & first line of a text or email on the lock screen. Obviously you have to unlock to see more info, and it's configurable whether to show this info or not.

While I miss having a notification LED (from BB days), I found the LED was effectively pointless on the Samsung when I then had to unlock the device to see if the email or text or call needed immediate attention or could wait. For example; after a lunchtime workout seeing if there's an issue I need to tend to immediately or if it can wait until I get back to the office. Other Android devices apparently allow different lockscreen widgets with pin-lock so you get this functionality. Sammy doesn't.

Screen burn in? Seriously? I think you are confusing CRT with AMOLED.

Have you been living under a rock? AMOLED screens can and do suffer from burn in. Google it. ChazUK posted a clear example albeit from an older phone.

These might be important for others when considering an iphone and its issues.

You seem to have missed the point of my post or I'm misunderstanding yours. I wasn't going for a pissing contest about which can do what. The point I was making was merely that you can't really objectively rank one phone as "better" than others without defining "better" -- and that definition will have a great deal of subjectivity.

The items you listed certainly may be important to some; it seems they are important to you. Not sure if you meant an inability to send attachments at all or a limitation on what filetypes can be sent as attachements, but the former is incorrect while the latter may be possible but I've not encountered any limitations in attachements. Probably since I don't use my phone as a filestore; so I'm either sending something from dropbox or forwarding an existing email. Never had an issue sending pictures from the phone either.

 

[Assault]

This is a friend of mines Galaxy S i9000 which I flashed with CyanogenMod 10 to get a little more life out of the old girl.
Image


Sadly, the image retention is really noticeable when on the darker colours of stock Android. You can clearly see his app icons and the widget he was using on the screen.

Lets all do 3 year old phones with burn in. Got news for you guys, any display will have issues if you leave an image static for long enough on it. Duh.