No Windows box is nearly as quiet as a Mac. Believe me I'm already used to the hum I get from my big HP box but I sure wish it were quiet.
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Bold move from Microsoft
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No Windows box is nearly as quiet as a Mac. Believe me I'm already used to the hum I get from my big HP box but I sure wish it were quiet.
I'm currently using a pretty high end gaming PC, its pretty much silent. And by high end, a Mac doesn't exist that comes close to the overall performance of this machine.
Her optiplex
Can't hear it, unless you really put your ear up to it, its super quiet.
And Macs? Quiet? All the time? You've clearly never owned a G4/G5. My 2011 iMac gets a little noisey under loud as well. The first gen intel mac minis were loud as hell.
Hum, no sorry. Support's job is to handle support cases, not employee retraining during migrations. That's what training staff is for,
Then I don't think you should be telling an IT person what their jobs are as you did in your previous sentence. You obviously don't know.
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People who don't know anything aren't familiar with Windows. They aren't the ones impacted by this. Metro doesn't help people that have little habits with Windows already, it breaks their familiarity and forces them to learn something new.
"Intuitiveness" is a marketing myth. Metro, Windows, OS X, iOS, none are really intuitive. People learn them eventually, their quirks, their good points, etc.. They all have a learning curve.
The thing is, once people have gone over the learning curve and learned something new, to force them to learn something else is very hard. That's the point you seem to be missing.
Us power users/IT people ? We don't give a damn. We didn't learn a "UI", we learned to work with UIs, we like messing with this stuff. My Stepdad ? My mom ? They managed to learn one way of doing things, it works for them. To break it and force them to learn something new means they are in unfamiliar territory and have to start over.
Why you refuse to acknowledge this I don't know. As I said, we don't know what this will do to Microsoft, it's a bold move. It will either pay off or hurt them like they've never been hurt in the Windows desktop arena.
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My MacBook Air sounds like a jet plane when the fans go off.
"Windows desktop arena" = dead man walking, which is why Microsoft is making bold decisions. If they listened to you, there would be no Metro, no Windows RT, no tablet direction at all.
I haven't seen an HP in a while. My mac pro is silent. My older G5 was silent before it. My 2011 17" macbook pro is silent most of the time, although sometimes I wish the fans would kick in earlier. The top can become pretty warm. I was looking up some of anandtech's reviews. Unfortunately they don't cover noise on a lot of them. On an all in one, it was suggested to be quite noisy.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5866/dell-xps-one-2710-review-the-premium-allinone/4
With my older macbook pro, noise levels sucked. I still think they're allowed to get quit hot before ramping up. I should also note that even the newer one is quite loud when stressed for an extended period of time. It just takes more to stress it.
And you're basing that off your own experiences? That doesn't make it a fact.
Fine. But either way Windows 8 is on it's way and people will upgrade. Just like Christmas time will come for me. Deal wit it. It doesn't make Windows 8 a bad thing at all. It is just different. Things change, people move on, quit complaining.
That is great, but it doesn't mean that Macs are officially the world's quietest computers. Or even the only computers that run silently. My ThinkPad x32 runs as silently as my MBA.
They're the world's quietest computers and look sexy at the same time. I mean look at all the iMacs on television shows like Entourage.
Because I don't think enterprises are prepared to replace windows as the desktop client. For my organization, its been trouble enough to get users on to windows 7 (hardware compatibility, software compatibility, different user experience). Going with a totally new platform increases the work dramatically. I'm not saying its not worth it, but I don't think the IT division is really prepared or willing to go down that path.
They're on the show Entourage, which automatically proves they're the quietest. Duh.
I'm not refusing anything, Im just saying. I think metro, with the ability to go back to explorer is a good thing, and I think while Metro is different, it would be better for dumb dumb users in the long run.
No, your Macbook Air doesn't get that loud. Listen to a Dual 2.0 G5 at full load, then tell me your macbook is loud
Who's complaining ? The point of the article I posted and of my post is not to complain, it's exactly as you say : people will move on. The question that is being raised here is with Microsoft breaking familiarity, what will they move on to ?
Now, do you have something to contribute other than "quit complaining" ?
No one is complaining or attacking MS here, at least not on my part. Why do you guys always need to turn threads into an "us vs them" affair. Can we discuss Microsoft's move in light of what it is, not on partisan bickering stances ?
Now I'll ask again since it's not clear : Will this move prompt people to move on to something other than Windows since they are having to break with existing, familiar concepts anyhow, or will this move help Microsoft push adoption of Metro and its apps ?
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That's not what we're discussing. That option has always been there, it hasn't changed. You're refusing to discuss the actual change taking place :
Microsoft taking away the option to go back to explorer automatically for users who don't want to be bothered by Metro.
Think of it this way :
What if Apple made OS X start straight into Launchpad. There's a button to turn it off or a write Terminal command to turn it back to what it was. That's what Metro was. Now imagine Apple make it so no matter what, you end up in Launchpad each time you open a session and you have to manually exit it. That's what Metro is now according to that article.
See the difference yet ? You keep refusing to discuss the topic, like roadbloc.
Why must this be some big "fight" to you guys ?
No, your Macbook Air doesn't get that loud. Listen to a Dual 2.0 G5 at full load, then tell me your macbook is loud
I've listened to rackmount Dell servers, to HP XP storage arrays, to Data center cooling machinery and to our own, multi-story building generator kicking in.
My MacBook Air is loud as heck when the fans spin. Don't tell me how it sounds, it's right here besides me right now.
Dude, you can't say things like this and be expected to be taken seriously. We use iMacs at university, and yes they are quiet, but that comes at the cost of having terrible heat management. I've literally burnt my hand at least once when doing some photoshopping and heavy multitasking. And btw, the reason they're on TV shows is because they look good. Same reason they use MacBooks with the Apple logo covered up.
If you really cared about quietness you would use water cooling and no moving parts.
It's true Apple makes that compromise by letting their computers and tablets get very very hot. Just yesterday I noticed how insanely hot my iPad got when I played a game for more then 5 minutes. Too uncomfortable to hold even in a leather case.
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I love Metro on my girlfriend's Windows phone. Don't you dare force me to use it on Windows 8
There's always the desktop application, why so serious?
I realize this is a Mac/computer forum. But you want proof that a computer is the quietest on the world? So many other things to worry about and we're wanting proof about such a trivial thing. Lol. No offense man, really. Its just sounds funny.
I realize this is a Mac/computer forum. But you want proof that a computer is the quietest on the world? So many other things to worry about and we're wanting proof about such a trivial thing. Lol. No offense man, really. Its just sounds funny.
When someone makes an obvious fabricated statement, they should expect something in return. I knew there would be no reply.
I realize this is a Mac/computer forum. But you want proof that a computer is the quietest on the world? So many other things to worry about and we're wanting proof about such a trivial thing. Lol. No offense man, really. Its just sounds funny.
So we should accept any thing anyone spouts as "fact" at face value because there are many other things to worry about ?
The only thing that sounds funny is that you would take the time to post on a Mac/computer forum where you believe there are so many other things to worry about.
Ok, I understand where you are comming from now, and yes I know you can't boot into metro, but I don't understand how just clicking a tab is hard to do, even for retarded users.
I see where they are going with this, they want to show people Metro, and hopefully have people use it, but they still have explorer. Its 1 click. I don't see this as a big deal. even for me, at work. I wont touch Metro, but at home? I could see it replacing OSX for me.
I doubt Microsoft will ever ditch explorer, its to good of a UI that so many people know know how to use.
The thing is, as far as I know, you can still drop into the explorer. I'm not trying to argue, I agree with like 99% of the stuff you say. But this, I just don't understand how its a big deal not being able to boot into explorer, one click isn't a big deal to me.
As far as I understand, you boot up, Metro pops up, you see an explorer icon, you click on it. Your back in Explorer. Big deal for me? I don't think so.
Do I think they made a mistake not letting you boot with explorer? Yes. I do think its a mistake. But again, an OS is a tool, if I have to click one tile to go back to the Explorer. Not a big deal to me.
Its not a " fight to me " but I do see a ton of users on this website, promoating. the lie that you cannot use explorer, and that you'll be forced to use metro, and thats lie as far as I'm concered, if they wanted to force you to use Metro, they wouldn't allow you to drop to explorer.
As have I, our CAT generator can actually power the entire building to the point where its like the power didn't even go off at all, even the kitchens stuff still works
I've used them, no need to get hostile. What I am trying to say is, for laptop? yes it can get loud. But compared to a blade server or G5? I wouldn't call it loud.
Then again, I'm always blasting music at a very high level, so the noise a machine makes never bothers me.
Loudest computer I've owned? Packard Bell 486DX2OD. The thing would get so loud under " turbo " setting, it distracted the hell out of you.
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Lets see.....
Mac Pro: a 2 and half year old workstation with a 3 year old GPU for 2500 bucks? Yeah....Im sure everyone says " OMFG STEVE JOBS MEANT FOR THIS TO HAPPEN! LETS BUY!!! "
Mac Mini: A piggy bank with no room to repair or upgrade in house? Im sure business's are dying to get one!
Macbook Pro: An underpowered, overpriced laptop with a high res display, and glued in battery? No thanks.
iMac: No words are needed here.
RMBP: even more overpriced.
Apples are great consumer machines, I love my iMac.
But becaues of the the way apple operates, I couldn't see any large business picking them up.
I mean, they brick you after 5 years, really?>
The issue I see with this is, if it cannot be disabled via GPO, the time adds up quickly. For an organization of 5000 users, if it takes even 1 second for everyone to click on it, then there's 83 minutes of lost productivity just for a single click.
I've been through this employee productivity exercise before and companies do think about these things.