You realize that 99% of the time an employee locks their workstation and doesn't shut down? Are you deliberately trolling?
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You realize that 99% of the time an employee locks their workstation and doesn't shut down? Are you deliberately trolling?
First you fabricated the fact that Apple's computers are the world's quietest and now you're fabricating statistics. I know of many people who shutdown at the end of the day.
Regardless of whether the employee shuts the system down or not, requiring Metro after boot is not going to win over hearts.
Well in virtually every company I've ever worked for, shutting down at the end of the day was unheard of. Everyone locks their workstation.
I know many businesses that get the server to send a shutdown signal at ~midnight to the workstations to save power.
CTCW, Franklin Law, Franklin Doctors, Cold Studios, Tikiana Te Ora, Wintec, MIT (NZ) all do it...
In the case of a Unix system it's just a matter of an SSH script that sends HALT. A similar powershell script can be used for Windows.
Sleep Mode still uses comparatively a lot of power to shutting the actual computer down. At least in the case of Franklin Law (50 User System), the savings are about $1k a year since I implemented the network shutdown. The Virtual Cluster already had a custom RHEV provisioning scheme enabled.
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Because it's moot for power users. It's not an issue. There is nothing to discuss in that context.
Hum... GPOs are used in enterprise. A lot. And OEMs could have configured booting straight to Metro for some PCs.
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Depends which part of the installed base. A lot of enterprises have recurring support contracts.
Those same enterprises probably also have the resources to implement a transition away from Microsoft though.
Wow. What exactly is Microsoft's intentions here? I do not understand why this was done. Sure, it's about time Windows got a new security model, but the way it has been implemented strikes me as odd.
ROI is what matters, especially for larger enterprise. It's why Hiring machines can be so attractive instead of purchasing. Mac OSX if it fits within your workflow has great ROI as it requires less ongoing support. Linux is even better.
Many SMEs don't even get to look at what the ROI might be for an IT solution, as they just have to put up with whatever the managed IT firm provides them.
Actually, for power users and people just don't struggle with computers, it won't be a problem. I hate Windows 8 from a desktop perspective but I could certainly live with it if I had to. On tablets I think it will work just fine.
The average user, however, will struggle. Many users at my company struggle more than a year after the upgrade to Windows 7. Completely changing the UI on them is not going to go well. Now, to be honest I doubt we will deploy more than a few tablets, let alone desktops, due to needing to validate our software for use with Windows 8 and weighing the pros and cons of the new OS for general use.
Also, yes I am aware I missed a few pages of this thread.
This is going to be the biggest problem with Windows 8. The inability to have more than two apps showing on the screen at a time will be a major issue for business users (probably the largest market for Windows). Also, having to do a mouse gesture to access a hidden menu to see your open apps will cost a lot of time and annoyance.
Business users can stay in the Desktop mode where you get all your overlapping windows. Why the FUD?
Go ahead and try to open applications in "Desktop mode". The only way that I've been able to do it is to navigate into the C drive and manually find/launch the .exe.
They have made it especially difficult to use the desktop mode for anything worthwhile.
Just because you can do something with workarounds doesn't necessarily mean it is a good user experience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU
If you are unwilling to admit that there are some issues with what they're expecting of users in this transition, then the conversation is over and you can go on thinking that everything is perfect. I can guarantee you that I'm not going to be the last person to voice these concerns (I.E. I'm not here just to bust your balls. I really like Win7, but I'm also able to be honest about challenges/shortcomings).
I bet most people pin applications to the super bar and don't user the start menu EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.
I agree that people probably don't use the Start Menu every time. Rather, most people probably do the simplest thing - click on the shortcut icon on the desktop to launch the application right there on the desktop.
The problem is that you've divorced the "desktop" from actually being the desktop in Win8. It appears that they only really want you to launch applications from the Metro UI ("Start screen"). So, every time you want to launch an app that will be shown on the desktop view, you have to click out of the desktop to start, and click on the icon to...launch the application on the desktop. Makes total sense, right?
As a business user, I don't want to flip back and forth from the desktop/start screen 10 times to launch the 5 apps I need at the beginning of the day. They are clearly hoping that in time all apps become full screen Metro apps and ditch the desktop altogether.
Pretty ironic when you consider the hate that iOS has received from the PC community over the years.
I agree that people probably don't use the Start Menu every time. Rather, most people probably do the simplest thing - click on the shortcut icon on the desktop to launch the application right there on the desktop.
The problem is that you've divorced the "desktop" from actually being the desktop in Win8. It appears that they only really want you to launch applications from the Metro UI ("Start screen"). So, every time you want to launch an app that will be shown on the desktop view, you have to click out of the desktop to start, and click on the icon to...launch the application on the desktop. Makes total sense, right?
As a business user, I don't want to flip back and forth from the desktop/start screen 10 times to launch the 5 apps I need at the beginning of the day. They are clearly hoping that in time all apps become full screen Metro apps and ditch the desktop altogether.
Pretty ironic when you consider the hate that iOS has received from the PC community over the years.
Once again more FUD. What is this "Microsoft wants you to launch everything from the Metro screen"? You can pin everything to the super bar and place shortcuts on the desktop and operate within that 24/7 assuming you don't logout or restart. FUD FUD FUD!!!!
I'm glad you just learned "FUD" and are putting it to use.
I'm kind of getting the impression that you haven't used Win8 much yet? If you have, you'll notice that many of the important apps that most people use daily (Mail, Music, Weather, Store, Calendar, etc) are all Metro, full-screen apps that can't be used in desktop view. The only items that you can open on the desktop are apps you install that don't yet have a Metro version.
It is an obvious shift toward a Metro-only experience (ala iOS). The only reason they're allowing you to use the desktop is to ensure temporary backwards compatibility with apps that haven't made the leap to full-screen (I'm sure MS views this as a necessary evil. Having two design/workflow paradigms is a painful user experience, but they can't afford to completely do away with the desktop all at once and live to tell about it. To the end-user, it is like running two OSs in parallel). Trust me, they will. When they do, you'll be stuck with Metro for good.
Just wait until you use Win8 as your daily driver and then post back about how much simpler the workflow is than Win7. It isn't even close.
I'm glad you just learned "FUD" and are putting it to use.
I'm kind of getting the impression that you haven't used Win8 much yet? If you have, you'll notice that many of the important apps that most people use daily (Mail, Music, Weather, Store, Calendar, etc) are all Metro, full-screen apps that can't be used in desktop view. The only items that you can open on the desktop are apps you install that don't yet have a Metro version.
It is an obvious shift toward a Metro-only experience (ala iOS). The only reason they're allowing you to use the desktop is to ensure temporary backwards compatibility with apps that haven't made the leap to full-screen (I'm sure MS views this as a necessary evil. Having two design/workflow paradigms is a painful user experience, but they can't afford to completely do away with the desktop all at once and live to tell about it. To the end-user, it is like running two OSs in parallel). Trust me, they will. When they do, you'll be stuck with Metro for good.
Just wait until you use Win8 as your daily driver and then post back about how much simpler the workflow is than Win7. It isn't even close.
More BS. If you want to keep a strict Windows 7 experience on Windows then install Office 2010 and don't use the Metro apps. You just want the entire experience and complain that you have to go between 2 UIs.
We shouldn't have to go through 2 UIs period. It makes no sense.
I want a good desktop experience that isn't fragmented because half of it was designed for a touch interface and poorly ported to a keyboard/mouse-driven environment.
Installing Office 2010 isn't going to help me when every new version they release are Metro apps. Restricting myself to antiquated software to get the experience I want - now we're talking Windows, haha.