Bye, Bye for now Apple, it has been fun!

[Siliconguy]

I have Intel Macs, two of which are running unsupported macOS via OCLP. Sonoma and Monterey, respectively. I have two older Intel Macs with Ubuntu, and they work perfectly. I could technically install unsupported macOS on them, but they would be too slow. When any viable macOS is Apple Silicon only, I'll move to Ubuntu, I guess. I have a couple of Windows laptops when I need to do Windows only tasks (a few).

I have Linux Mint on a 2012 Mac mini that purrs along very nicely. I also installed the Xfce version on a 2009 Mini (2.5 Ghz core 2 duo) that also works pretty well. The SSD is a big help there.

I have recently acquired a 2006 mini. No 2 in that Core Duo, 32 bit only. Finding a Linux distro for that was a challenge but there are a few out there. I also put Snow Leopard on the other partition. What surprised me the most was how quick the user interface is. Apple has piled an endless pile of bloat on their systems since 10.6.

I also agree with the comment above about the non-deletable junk (at least to me) apps. Then we have messages, photobooth, Mission Control, News, Podcasts, Siri, TV, voice memos, and for that matter, FaceTime. Fortunately Pages, Numbers and Keynote are deletable and were tossed off the laptop as soon as I got logged in the first time. They don't support ODF so are useless.

I have no problem with Apple putting those apps on new machines just so you know they are there, but why can't I Command-Delete them like Pages? All they do is clutter up the Applications menu.

I just discovered Cairo-dock on the Linux desktop. It came standard on the 32 bit Emmabuntu install that went (however reluctantly) on the 2006 Mini. I'll see how Dock-like I can get that.

The Cinnamon desktop on Linux looks a lot like Windows 7. Plain but functional. Shuttleworth has done a great job of keeping those unruly Linux programmers pointed toward a common goal. Linux is pretty workable now.

 

[Altis]

I've been using both Apple on and off since the 90's, and I like to consider myself rather platform agnostic. Ultimately computers are tools to run software -- and the operating system has to host that software, any required hardware, and manage your windows and files.

I find macOS in its current and recent states to be lacking in usablity and reliability. I do think it works better as a laptop OS than a desktop OS, but as I find myself using desktop almost all of the time now, I've lost interest in wanting to use it at all when I can just use Windows 10 or Linux Mint Xfce and feel like I can get things done quicker and easier. Just off the top of my head:

- macOS updates break software too easily, even when hardly anything seems to change. Forget any kind of legacy use. On my PC, I can run my 2002 copy of Photoshop 7 without a single issue.
- General window management is poor; Floating windows with no proper window snapping like other OS's have had for a decade (need to buy an app to do it); going between different windows when you have many open seems to take a lot more work than it should
- No way to disable mousewheel acceleration -- either scroll 1 pixel (on retina display) or three full pages, nothing between (clearly tuned for trackpad)
- Finder is janky. Who knows what display format it will use on a given folder. When set to icons, I love how deleting a file punches a hole and it doesn't just resort it. "Clean up" manually doesn't even fix it usually. Using the photo strip has highly inaccurate previews that changes the color and sharpness, and even though you can only scroll left-right, the scroll wheel does nothing, you have to drag the scroll bar
- Updates take absolutely forever compared with any other OS
- Janky scaling that really wants integer multiples of Apple's standard resolutions or else it's blurry. Even worse if you have a second display with non-retina since they got rid of sub-pixel rendering for the text

I will say that macOS looks very pretty, and I do like the universal menu bar up top, and spaces work okay. But there's too many quality-of-life aspects that just hinder my ability to get things done quickly. I'm sure people with different workflows or mastery of the OS will feel differently but for me I can never get things to feel like anything but a constant struggle.

I've installed Linux on my old non-retina MacBook Air since I only really need it for pretty easy-going stuff. macOS looks and runs poorly on it, although gets slightly better battery life (5 hours instead of 4), while Mint Xfce runs beautifully.

I run both macOS and Windows 10 on my 2020 27" iMac, but hardly ever boot to macOS anymore. I'm probably just going to get rid of the machine anyways though since it's about the same performance as my old 2014 mid-spec PC; 10500 is about 15% faster than 4790k according to benchmark, but the old GTX970 is about 50% more powerful than the Radeon Pro 5300. Since Windows 10 feels so much snappier, and mine has two 144Hz monitors, the whole thing just feels faster to use despite being 6 years older and having half the RAM (32 vs 16GB).

If I keep up with any iOS app dev learning, I might just get a base Mac Mini on education discount for that sole purpose (hopefully 8GB of RAM is enough for Xcode!) but do everything else on PC. Or maybe an old Power Macintosh 5200 with Clarisworks and Geometric Golfer for the blast to the past.


TLDR: Everything I do with computers is faster, easier, and less expensive on PC (Windows 10 + Linux Xfce). Office, Photography/videography, electrical engineering software, web dev work, audio/music production, some gaming, etc. It all just works, has all the software available (including legacy) and the workflows are great. I can appreciate that other people's workflows work well with Apple's ecosystem.

 

[G5isAlive]

Give me that worry back. I had a fully encrypted computer. With a user replaceable drive. And it is completely possible to have both.

Enlighten me on how with a Mac. Before the S1 chip any Mac I had, all you had to do was replace the drive with a blank one and reinstall the os. Sure I had no access to your data but your computer was mine. Which was my point.

 

[turbineseaplane]

What surprised me the most was how quick the user interface is. Apple has piled an endless pile of bloat on their systems since 10.6.

It’s been all downhill since the welcome videos stopped

 

[Mcrumors David]

I didn't know how ...

🤭 did not read anything after "windows and android" ...enjoy that trash and plastic devices

 

[JustinePaula]

I understand the problem facing the tech industry, and it is a very simple problem, the problem starts really about the rising cost of housing, we all need somewhere to sleep, shower, eat meals, relax, raise the next generation....For the better part of the 1900-2000 period, house prices were somewhat stable, then from the 1990's we start to see a rise in house prices

To counter this, you raise salaries, this causes a rise in the price of the product, this soon leads to folks with higher incomes starting to invest in alternate income streams, this causes house prices to rise, so increase salaries, basic inflation.

It is reaching a point now where salaries are so high, the cost of housing so high, tech are loosing staff who simply cannot afford to work, so rather move into other forms of generating income, so Tech has to find ways to fund salaries, so have to start to use subscription models, it is almost a last chance saloon...

I have no idea about margins on the various projects within Apple Inc, I understand enough to know that there is not much margin between a project being viable and it being shuttered..

Staff move so rapidly from company to company, it is very hard to plan a long term project as who will be there in 18 months time for the next stage?

This maybe sort of explains why bugs sort of never get dealt with, that part of the development maybe left the company, and newer more pressing concerns filter out the old bugs, or that it so thin on the ground in terms of staff, there is no one available for indepth bug fighting..

Maybe there is a lack of willingness to try, maybe the culture is so super toxic, over managed, to the point of work to rule, do what needs to be done, to keep a job, as we all know everything is stupid expensive now, even burgers from a clown burger drive through...

We saw this with the dot com bubble, and how that took victims, is the whole tech about to collapse, to keep the lights on, you raise prices, folks soon learn, it is not all that important, so you as Apple either keep raising prices, sell 2 instead 20 products, but this is unsustainable...

So you fall back on rental, steady income, but it is not, folks grow tired of the grudge purchase, there are other options, better options, other ways to solve the problem..

It is a vicious cycle, Apple is fighting the wrong battle, has the wrong attitude, Tim Cook knows the icebergs are ahead, and he is taking the ship directly into a known ice-berg field...Maybe he realizes this, and it is too late..

Going subs for a tiny fcp for ipad project is kind of like throwing the engines into reverse.. Maybe? Nothing is too big to fail...

 

[lysingur]

A decked-out 2020 5K iMac represents the zenith of the all-in-one Mac. With Boot Camp, you get the best of both worlds. It's been all downhill from there. Granted, Apple laptops are still the undisputed leader when it comes to battery life and performance, but with Apple Silicon, I'd think twice before getting a new iMac or Mac Pro.

Apple has gone full circle going from PowerPC to Intel, then finally Apple Silicon. In hindsight, perhaps Apple should've kept Intel on certain desktop Macs. Mac Pro has reached the terminal stage due to Apple Silicon not being competitive enough as a desktop chip for professional use. Gaming is all but dead with most Mac games on Steam facing playability issues on ARM-based Macs and few titles in the pipeline taking full advantage of Metal.

It doesn't help that Tim Cook insists on an annual cycle for macOS and doesn't give his engineers enough time to iron out bugs before moving on to the next version with mostly superfluous features. Satya Nadella is doing a great job over there at Microsoft. He's made all the right moves since succeeding Steve Ballmer. Windows 10 and 11 feel more stable than macOS Ventura and Sonoma, and I feel Microsoft cares about its users and listens to their feedback.

Hey, I don't blame you. I'd keep a Mac laptop though. It's the only laptop on the market today that allows you to work all day without having to bring a charger.

 

[JustinePaula]

No question the annual cycle was at the time right, but can you imagine the hit Tim would take to kill the WWDC keynot without a new where has the team been for 2024? No new OS in 2024?

I 100% support the concept of MacOS, as MacOS, just MacOS, and iOS, without names, just updates on a very frequent basis.. Since my first Mac in the early 2000's, I looked forward to buying the OS from the "istore" we have here, as I did buying apps on DVD, it was an enjoyable experience, coming home and setting up, ok, the endless download time on truly slow internet not great...

Tech has matured, we are passed the point of needing named OS, that helps no one, Apple is 100% M/Silicon now, Intel is long in the past..

Apple is fighting itself internally, Tim Cook has to serve 2 masters, his bosses, "the shareholders" who want returns, more the better, and the consumers, thin margins, unhappy staff, look you cannot tell me that whole issue about patents on the watch was a mistake, that was deliberate calculated, intentional by someone within Apple to send a message...Hurt Apple where it hurts most..

Can you imagine the pressure Tim Cook is under, knowing Apple Inc is really at the mercy of China. How Apple Inc is all but 1 decision away from being a company with no stock??? Scary...

 

[JustinePaula]

Satya Nadella is doing a great job over there at Microsoft. He's made all the right moves since succeeding Steve Ballmer. Windows 10 and 11 feel more stable than macOS Ventura and Sonoma, and I feel Microsoft cares about its users and listens to their feedback.

That is not true, M/soft hate users, Win10/11 is proof enough of how little they actually care about users, they never fix bugs, and if they do, make it so hard with insanely complicated workarounds, Win10/11 is extremely bloated, the home version could loose 90% of the code, become a thin OS, and be better for it, It should be install what you need, not install everything in case you need it..

Satya has no clue about how to run a business, he has made Win10/11 worse, not better.. If he knew what he was doing, please explaim KB5034441.. A well known bug that has existed for almost a year...

That shows M/soft have no idea about what they are doing.. M/soft is run by someone that is not competent, is ignoring prblems.. Chooses to not address issues..

 

[RandomTox]

A larger iMac with M-chip, forget it, won't happen.
Either you buy a Studio or Mini with a Studio Display or a cheaper display from elsewhere.
Or diss it all, your choice.

it looks like. Apple decided to make a change in favour of higher profits $$$ by selling separate products.

 

[DontmesswitdaBoss]

I didn't know how to breach this subject because I am not writing this based on one OS or hardware's superiority. I like Mac's. They are beautiful, functional and powerful. They are a rip off to a certain extent, I hate Apple's business practices and manufacturing. I hate a lot of things within the various OS that Apple develops. But I love a lot of it too. Not the first sentence but the second, The OS is pretty sweet, and the various devices all have great software and hardware. Apple is pretty much King in terms of the "Best". The best security, the best design, the best cpu/gpu in mobile, and so much more. So I am no hater of Apple. But over time things have gotten to a point where I either hobble along and deal with it or I vote with my dollars to hopefully start to make a change.

I am one person so I am meaningless to Apple but if enough people in a similar situation as I am do what I do then it will start to hurt Apple's bottom line and then they might pay attention and start to change.

I am talking about the ladder and lock in. Two things I hate most about Apple right now. There equipment in some cases is objectively better but not in all areas. The ladder is the technique of upselling the customer by holding back certain features that are not costly but hamper user experience in such a way a user wants to go up the ladder to the better model, then they will want better than base specs. Everything pushes you up the ladder and gets progressively more expensive. Ram/SSD upgrades anyone? Pro motion only on a pro device although pro motion would enhance the overall experience of all users and is not a pro level feature in other brand devices. This pushes many consumers to buy an iPad Pro over an iPad Air when they really only need an air for their use case.

Lock in we all know the Apple ecosystem is great. Say you have an iPhone a Mac and an iPad. They all work great together and you can share files, make calls and texts from any device. Say you get an Android phone and keep the rest. Now your entire ecosystem is broken and no longer can you do any of the things you could with your iPhone. Even though you bought the Mac and iPad and should have the same functionality no matter the phone or computer you use but Apple locks you in and gimps your experience on purpose so you don't buy anything other than Apple products. Apple could easily offer some basic compatibility and basic feature sharing but they don't. They could still offer more features for Apple products but give all basic compatibility and save special features for Apple to encourage people to buy Apple rather than just have it wreck their experience.

So it is been a long time coming but I have decided to let go of my Mac and iPad and just go Windows and Android for a while. I don't know if I will go back to Apple because until they change I would be forced to go all in or nothing. I don't want to buy something and have half the features work because of free choice. The convenience for lock in is a bargain I am no longer willing to make and I shouldn't. Apple should want their products to work well with other products just from a business use perspective.

I know a lot of people don't care about this issue or even like it and it makes them feel exclusive or special in a special group or club. But I want to use multiple different devices together and not have to have separate ecosystems. So I will stay on Windows/Linux/Android side of things. I may be back because I still like Apple. Then I could talk cost. I can't afford to keep two separate platforms, it has become too expensive in this economy for me. I can get so much more ram and ssd and better hardware with a couple of exceptions for a lot less than Apple. Sure a 16" MBP with M3 Pro is a better laptop than my 16" Samsung GalaxyBook 4 Pro 360 in some ways but it costs a lot more and is a lot heavier and the Ultra is available if I needed graphic horsepower and it is still cheaper than equivalent MBP. Obviously Intel has not caught up with m series yet. Although Meteor lake is a huge step in the right direction it is NOT YET equivalent to M3 in all areas. But the difference in terms of performance and battery life are so much better than before that Intel is now in m series ballpark. Intel has to get to 4nm probably before they will be competitive directly but by then who knows how advanced Apple m series will be. But in my opinion it is not about having the absolute best but good enough. Specially if I am saving over $1000. I personally think Intel is finally good enough. Room for a lot of improvement-yes. But good enough I can go a whole day without worrying about charging and I can get the same performance on battery as plugged in if I adjust settings and battery life is still good enough. Maybe I get 6-8 hours slamming the machine on battery vs 10-12 if I am not. I can deal with those numbers. What sucked before was 3-6 hours average battery life with 1-2 on heavy use and a big difference throttled on battery no matter the settings. That is a huge improvement.

So I have settled on two devices since I have to have a back up device no matter what platform and I like a 14" and 16" for different taks. I was going to get a 14" chromebook but they suck so much in terms of getting a nice chromebook that doesn't cost $1000. So in order to get a fast and responsive Chromebook with a decent ssd, ram, and processor, decent bright screen and speakers in something other than plastic you are looking at $1000 and the specs still aren't as good as a comparable priced Windows laptop. So I ditched that idea and decided on two Windows laptops, one Android tablet, an Android phone, an android watch and some ear buds. They all work flawlessly together and have more features than are available in an Mac.

So my two laptops have OLED 120hz touchscreens with AR coating and variable refresh rate and a hardened glass. You can't get anything like it on any Mac no matter how much you spend. I have a pencil or stylus with every major device I own. S pen on phone, tablet and PC. Not available on Mac or iPhone. Then there are new AI features like a circle to search feature in Windows!!

I will sell all my Apple stuff and end up paying a little out of pocket but I will be happy with everything I own. Samsung and HP give generous specs for the cost compared to Apple. I have a 2tb drive on the HP and 1tb drive on Samsung and Samsung gave me a free 2tb portable ssd. If I were to try to get just a 2tb drive it would cost a lot.

Apple products are really great but both Android and Windows OEM's have drastically improved on their top end devices the design, quality and materials to get close or even surpass Apple.

If I were to go all in on Apple with only one laptop, one iPad, one watch and ear buds it would cost me at least double and I would half the specs in order to do it with lesser hardware in some areas. M3 would be faster in some ways but not all. M3 Pro or better is faster and better in battery life but at the price point of pro m3 and decent specs cost gets prohibitive specially in the 16" which I would want but it is such a heavy beast. It is close to 5 pounds while my 16" GB4 is only 3.5 pounds. Big difference. And the GB4 still feels solid and has an objectively better screen for everything but brightness.

So while I will miss Apple and I have no hard feelings I am pretty confident with my choice. I have been using computers since before Apple 2 and Windows 95. I remember DOS and green and amber CRT screens. So I am very comfortable in any computing environment from flashy GUI to Text prompts. Apple and Unix have always been more complex for me to use because there are more steps for me to take toa accomplish the same task in Windows. Linux is very similar to Unix but some interfaces can look a lot like Windows. And I really like the ability to use Linux if I want to on my laptop.

I may visit a Chromebook again when they get some more compelling devices. I really like ChromeOS and being able to use a full Linux install within ChromeOS is very cool. The hardware just needs to catch up. I am not paying $600 for a laptop with EMMC storage or a celeron processor. I can't stand 250nits 45%ntsc screens!! Like put an ultra 7 155h 16gb ddr5x ram, 120hz Oled touch screen, minimum 256gb nvme pci4 ssd. all in a nice aluminum build. Priced at say $799. It would be the perfect Chromebook but now we got crap.

So Windows and Android for now....

After going to Ubuntu I haven’t looked back 🤙

 

[maflynn]

Satya has no clue about how to run a business, he has made Win10/11 worse, not better.. If he knew what he was doing, please explaim KB5034441.. A well known bug that has existed for almost a year...

That shows M/soft have no idea about what they are doing.. M/soft is run by someone that is not competent, is ignoring prblems.. Chooses to not address issues..

So using your logic, we could say the same thing about Cook
iOS 17.1 finally resolves a three-year-old bug that may have compromised your privacy

Both companies are bureaucratic and are slow to address things from time to time. I think overall, MS has done a decent job, they're generally more transparent when it comes to security flaws and I will say they seem a bit faster in general to releasing patches to address vulnerabilities.

 

[JustinePaula]

Of the 2, Tim is so much worse, he simply has no idea what he is doing, Satya should have cancelled Win11, kept Win10, launched 2 versions of Win11, Win11 Lite, for home and mobile devices, and Win11 Pro, for servers and business applications, a bit like M/soft had Back Office in the early days of NT4, of which Win11 is a direct descendant of.

For FCP to have a bug, a well known bug for almost a decade is shameful..

As I explained, Tim has to work under extreme pressure, keep his bosses, "the shareholders" happy, keep the consumers buying the products, and hope and pray that when the sun rises, he has stock, after all Apple Inc is 1 second away from being bankrupt, from having zero items to sell, if China has a mood..

Apple is spread thin, across garbage hardware, and since Tim and Jony Ive teamed up, it has all been rather janky, the iphone is for the most part the same as it was in generation 1..Same shape, devoid of ports, less functionality now than at launch..

The various OS Apple support are broken, useless, and annoyingly full of scamware, bloatware, junk code that no one needs, give us the option to install or not, or delete.. But no we sit with SSD's bloated with junk no one asked for..

Neither Tim or Satya are worth what they are paid... They are not producing quality, as for Tim, I see that it might only be 2028/2029 before the watch has the patent issue sorted.. Tim keeps his job...insane!!!

 

[decafjava]

Of the 2, Tim is so much worse, he simply has no idea what he is doing, Satya should have cancelled Win11, kept Win10, launched 2 versions of Win11, Win11 Lite, for home and mobile devices, and Win11 Pro, for servers and business applications, a bit like M/soft had Back Office in the early days of NT4, of which Win11 is a direct descendant of.

For FCP to have a bug, a well known bug for almost a decade is shameful..

As I explained, Tim has to work under extreme pressure, keep his bosses, "the shareholders" happy, keep the consumers buying the products, and hope and pray that when the sun rises, he has stock, after all Apple Inc is 1 second away from being bankrupt, from having zero items to sell, if China has a mood..

Apple is spread thin, across garbage hardware, and since Tim and Jony Ive teamed up, it has all been rather janky, the iphone is for the most part the same as it was in generation 1..Same shape, devoid of ports, less functionality now than at launch..

The various OS Apple support are broken, useless, and annoyingly full of scamware, bloatware, junk code that no one needs, give us the option to install or not, or delete.. But no we sit with SSD's bloated with junk no one asked for..

Neither Tim or Satya are worth what they are paid... They are not producing quality, as for Tim, I see that it might only be 2028/2029 before the watch has the patent issue sorted.. Tim keeps his job...insane!!!

That is so wrong on every level.

 

[JustinePaula]

Wrong? Gosh...please elaborate...

 

[decafjava]

You really think the first iPhone (from 2007) is the same as say my 15 Pro Max?? Shape wise there have been changes but every smartphone (ok except the foldables) is basically a rectangle. Ports have been vanishing on most smartphones for good reason, at least Apple have a USB-C now - with Bluetooth no need for an earphone jack for most of us, same for charging by magsafe though I still use the port to charge and sync my photos. Less functionality now than at launch (again in 2007)? Surely you jest...

 

[JustinePaula]

Basically the iphone has not really gained much function, it still does the same sort of thing, in 17 yrs, no SD card, not at least even tried, and yeah, getting media off is not easy.. Iphones are toy phones, for children, parents use Sammys as they are better...

99% of what Apple produce since 2007 has been garbage, hardware, just look at the crappy trashcan mac pro, Apple produced a decent monitor, then withdrew it... Apps came and went, and never replaced..And then when Apple do replace, it is full of bugs and ineffective code..

The mac laptops started out brilliant, then faded into junk status, but the real issue is not about phones or laptops...

The real issue is M/soft and Apple are the 2 big providers of tech to 99% of users, 1% use linux of some kind, but the 99% that use either some form of Apple OS, or M/soft OS, are we being catered for in the most effective way?

Is the bloatware all that important? Do we need the complexity the OS has become? Is an OS of 12 to 15GB all that necessary? Is the hardware now require to be soldered and impossible to upgrade?

Why not allow for post purchase upgrading, this builds in growth, buy in low, upgrade over time, had this been an option, I would have invested in upgrades, hard drives, extra Apple batteries/powerbanks, RAM, internal SSD, etc...

Ipads are crazy expensive, do they need to be? I would have from day 1 paid yearly for FCP for Ipad, but at close to a year worth of rent for a decent ipad, no way I can justify that, not even on terms... But if the products were affordable I would have replaced my ipad from 2013.. To date 1 ipad, 2013, it is now e-waste...

Sell less for more money, is better than selling more product for less money per product??

 

[maflynn]

Iphones are toy phones, for children, parents use Sammys as they are better...

I actually vhementely disagree with this statment. Iphones are not toys they are powerful tools, and where I live and work, the clear majority of people use iPhones. My work did a recent poll and 80% of the working force used iPhones.

iPhones have:

• Better security,
• Better updates (as mentioned you're lucky to get one new version of android).
• No real malware, the same cannot be said for android.
• The integration of the hardware and software is better and thus the UX is superior imo
• Better security
• Better privacy
• Better performance
• superior ecosystem
• better support
• better resale value

 

[JustinePaula]

Those are not really great points, you and I disagree, that is great, but you never addressed my other concerns, so one must conclude that you agree on all but for the toy phones from Apple...

 

[maflynn]

Those are not really great points, you and I disagree, that is great,

LOL, so you don't think superior security, performance and better ecosystem, lack of malware, etc are not great points

but you never addressed my other concerns, so one must conclude that you agree on all but for the toy phones from Apple...

You must have missed my first couple words in my post where I said: "I actually vehemently disagree with this statment" I'm not sure how you could have missed that, but iPhones are not toys.

 

[JustinePaula]

If you think those are important, wow, obviously they are important, they are about as obvious as having 10 digits on the screen or a battery... Those are not should be proud of achievements, those are obvious..not important, and to focus on that misses the point...

The fact is, Apple makes a huge song and dance about what the phone can do, hides the fact it can only do that trick for a few seconds before you fill up the phone...No SD Card, or what about what Apple did a long time ago, got creative to solve a problem, they invented firewire, then improved it from 400 to 800, it was at the time brilliant..creative...

Now Apple since 2007 has not tried, not on any phone, not one time tried any sort of SD card, or Apple patent pending better tech than SD Card, iCard? Nothing.. the phone comes with a miniscule amount of built in storage, after that, you are done for the day.. why?

This is a solved problem, Apple chooses to not attempt any sort of R n D, spend $0.00, I get that Apple got burned with the various keyboards, and the touchbar on the macs, but why not try with something new? Give it 3 years, 3 phones??

That is what I mean by toy, at least with my Sammy, I can replace SD cards with Sd cards, pop in a dongle, done, simple, not at all hard, USB C for the win..

The walled security here for us, is a problem. 2006 mac pro cannot accept airdrop from a 2024 iphone, but is happy to accept bluetooth all day, no issues..

Apple device to Apple device, NO, but Sammy to Apple device, YES..

Security is a concern for everyone, all phones no matter Android/iOS have issues...

I don't think the iphone is better or worse, it is just for my circumstance not viable..

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Enlighten me on how with a Mac. Before the S1 chip any Mac I had, all you had to do was replace the drive with a blank one and reinstall the os. Sure I had no access to your data but your computer was mine. Which was my point.

Ah, if that was your point then, I guess? All I care about is the data. It isn't like the S1 chip means they won't steal your macbook. They send them to China and disassemble them for parts. Easy Peasy. And my point was they could do both. They could indeed have the S1 chip and still allow user-replaceable storage. It wouldn't be hard at all. Have the S1 chip ask for credentials before allowing the rest of the boot up process.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

If you think those are important, wow, obviously they are important, they are about as obvious as having 10 digits on the screen or a battery... Those are not should be proud of achievements, those are obvious..not important, and to focus on that misses the point...

The fact is, Apple makes a huge song and dance about what the phone can do, hides the fact it can only do that trick for a few seconds before you fill up the phone...No SD Card, or what about what Apple did a long time ago, got creative to solve a problem, they invented firewire, then improved it from 400 to 800, it was at the time brilliant..creative...

Now Apple since 2007 has not tried, not on any phone, not one time tried any sort of SD card, or Apple patent pending better tech than SD Card, iCard? Nothing.. the phone comes with a miniscule amount of built in storage, after that, you are done for the day.. why?

This is a solved problem, Apple chooses to not attempt any sort of R n D, spend $0.00, I get that Apple got burned with the various keyboards, and the touchbar on the macs, but why not try with something new? Give it 3 years, 3 phones??

That is what I mean by toy, at least with my Sammy, I can replace SD cards with Sd cards, pop in a dongle, done, simple, not at all hard, USB C for the win..

The walled security here for us, is a problem. 2006 mac pro cannot accept airdrop from a 2024 iphone, but is happy to accept bluetooth all day, no issues..

Apple device to Apple device, NO, but Sammy to Apple device, YES..

Security is a concern for everyone, all phones no matter Android/iOS have issues...

I don't think the iphone is better or worse, it is just for my circumstance not viable..

While I actually agree with most of what you say, this iphone = toy thing just needs to die LOL. Let's go with the corporate and government arenas. The Federal Government here in the Unites States won't even issue Android phones--only the "toy phones." Same with most corporate environments. 100% this is due to security.

 

[JustinePaula]

That is but only 1 example, whether that is any more secure than Android, maybe, but then trusting you most secure conversations on a public accessible device is not wise, maybe they use a secure not for public secret version of iOS or Android.. I do recall Obama once remarking he had a phone, it was mostly a dummy phone, with many features deactivated, iphone I believe..

The thing with Apple it is walled, and maybe no access to certain aspects of the code, with Android, you write the code, it is yours, 100%, which maybe makes it more secure.. But that is not really the issue... Iphones have issues not faced by even cheap Sammys...

I am somewhat confused as to why Apple Inc never tried to innovate with the iphone, invent/obtain/licence some sort of new better than SD Card, at least try, who knows it might take off and within a couple of years, be the SD card tech we use for the next 20 years.. Just imagine all the $$ that would bring..

That is why I call iphones toys, as there is no imagination, at least Sammy is trying.. So one day, my phone was getting a bit full, as phones do, with downloads, photos, apps, I could put in a new SD card, and have my phone back.. iphones not so much.. Why? What happened at Apple Inc that prevented even trying?

The lack of on board built in card reading ability is not a tech issue, it is something else. Apple is choosing to dumb the iphone, to be behind Sammy.. Why??? What happened to kill innovation??? Why is Apple so scared to innovate now?

Was touchbar that brutal??

 

[za9ra22]

That is but only 1 example, whether that is any more secure than Android, maybe, but then trusting you most secure conversations on a public accessible device is not wise, maybe they use a secure not for public secret version of iOS or Android.. I do recall Obama once remarking he had a phone, it was mostly a dummy phone, with many features deactivated, iphone I believe..

Part of the problem with Android is that it is badly fragmented - lots of different versions, different configurations and different sources. For the user it hardly matters because each has their device which does what they need it to do, but for managing devices in a corporate environment or government it's very problematic. Firstly, you have to have much wider expertise and knowledge in the support structure, but also a much more scattered approach to security, since the ingress risk is multidirectional for each device.

With iOS devices these are far less troublesome. iOS itself is a single family of development, so even if the organization has multiple generations, they are coherent, consistent and much easier to support. The App Store provides a moderated and curated source of software which vastly reduces potential security hazards, and the devices integrate as a unified whole into networks and data management structures.

Obama had a Blackberry, if I recall, and was given the option of handing it over, or having it restricted in use.